I feel bad...I keep going to the AD

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by DaveDhc

You asked what you should do. Based on your posting, I'd say that you feel bad about wasting the time of an AD since you buy from TRF. I am assuming this is what you meant. If so, I agree with your feeling about wasting the time of a sales person.

I bought Daytona from an AD and have been back a couple of times. I have no intention of buying another Rolex from them. So when I am in their shop and see interesting watches, I would never ask to try one on. For me it feels fundamentally wrong to take someone else's brand new watch out of a case, handle it, get the oil from my hands all over it, possible introduce micro scratches on it, wind it ....

I have only gone back to the AD for business related to my first purchase. I only discretely look at his watches in the case. I try to be respectful of other people's time and energy. It is a value I live by.

Back to the original question. Since you say you feel bad about something your are doing, maybe an evaluation of your own personal values with respect to this behavior may help you decide how to act.

I totally agree with this last bit about self evaluation. If the OP is starting to feel bad, there is a reason for it. The answer is likely very very simple. Live by your own values as Dave mentions above.

As for your moral compass Dave, I have all the respect for you to live that way, I just don't totally agree with you.

For one thing you made a substantial purchase already, not that is should matter but clearly you're not there to waste anyones time whether you're window shopping or looking to close a deal.

I own a 116610LVC. I would have never even considered purchasing the watch due to the green color until one day I saw one in person. I fell in love with it. I didn't buy it that day, but I went on to buy it in the future.

For the love of the hobby and all this other talk aside, it's important to handle different watches. Not just to see them but to feel them, hand oils and all ;). It's important to see them on your wrist so you can learn about what you like and don't like.

Ultimately it will lead to more sales, more money and less time wasted for sales people.

[RolexAuthority]

Dealers give us BS all the time so nothing wrong in trying and if you don't want to buy if they can't give you a trf price no harm done it's all in the game.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by superdog

Very well said.

Personally, I've gone into AD's with no intention of buying.

But after a great experience I've walked out with a watch. A sales persons job is to MAKE the sale. If they can't handle it, get out of sales.

Fact, not everyone coming into a store is going to make a purchase.

Bingo. Some of the people in this thread crack me up. I could not care less about a salesperson losing an "up." What I care about is getting a rolex at a fair market price.

I'm not a card carrying member of the society for the protection of salespeople's pocketbooks. If people want to make up excuses about why they chose to repeatedly leave thousands on the table, free country. I view them as poor negotiators

[1AP]

You shouldn't feel bad. However you should give an offer of exactly what you're ready to pay. As long as it's reasonable you didn't waste anyone's time.

[LuminousMaximus]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Tell this to the salesperson who's up got wasted by the repeat SERIAL Browser, when the very next customer came in and was helped by the next salesperson whose UP it is and that customer BOUGHT a SMURF Submariner @ retail....

The people who work at AD's don't work for Rolex, so they don't get paid to waive the flag. They get paid to sell.

Fleetlord--> It is convenient that you only respond to the people and portions of the Quote that reinforce your statement(s).


And if you read more clearly, much less like your writing, I say, "I have never bought from him," I don't say that I never will..."

And lastly, respond to my point

Hold on 1 Second my flame throwing friend... You are not looking at the Grand Scheme of things. I would only say that you are not looking at how it all actually works.

I DO BUY used Rolex watches and, where do you think those used ROLEX watches come from...? Exactly, They come from Sellers who might have bought new. These sellers want to become New buyers again and could possibly go to the AD again for their NEW Purchase. But first, what do they have to do? They have to sell their used pieces, and that's where I come in...

I mean If everyone only Buys New and they keep all their original purchases, why do we have soo many Used ROLEX here on TRF?

I would say that if your Remotely interested in watches at all and your going to the AD to try them on, that is great! Because, if we all loose interest in automatic watches, AT ANY LEVEL, or the new generation can't r doesn't want to afford them, the entire industry could be at risk... And why, because you scared away all the people who may not BE BUYERS TODAY...

One day I will be the Guy purchasing from the AD, and he will be happy that I'm still interested in automatic watches...

Hehe I like you fleetlord... We should go to the AD together. That way you can tell them, "Every time I walk into your store I'm going to buy something..."


Hey this could be your new motto...

"I would never waste your time by walking into a store and not buy something..."

[Fleetlord]

I think there may be a bit of confusion here..

I don't think going to an AD to try on a watch you might be interested in is a waste of time....so long as you go there with the intention to buy if you like it and the price is right...

Where the problem lies is the serial browser...the guy who comes in EVERY week or two and looks at the watches, tries them on, spents lots of time playing the part...then NEVER buys anything. They take the knowledge they gathered from their multiple, multiple visits and go buy a used one elsewhere...

How anyone can condone that is beyond me...

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

You should stop wasting their or any other AD's time.

It's a business, not a museum.

Originally Posted by charger

Agreed.

I can't believe this comparison to a museum continues to carry. Of course it's not a museum... at a museum you can't try things on and hold them in your hand and feel the weight and admire close up the craftsmanship, and of course buy them, or at least decide if you want to buy them.

ADs should encourage new customers and enthusiasts alike to handle as many watches as possible.

In a respectful, non-deceitful way and without taking advantage of anyone, it's clearly not a wast of time.

[RolexAuthority]

This thread is so funny ADs being defended now that's a first lol

[Eric Chan]

They probably see this a lot, but in all honesty, try giving them some business so the awkward feeling is lifted on both ends.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

Fleetlord--> It is convenient that you only respond to the people and portions of the Quote that reinforce your statement(s).


And if you read more clearly, much less like your writing, I say, "I have never bought from him," I don't say that I never will..."

And lastly, respond to my point



Hehe I like you fleetlord... We should go to the AD together. That way you can tell them, "Every time I walk into your store I'm going to buy something..."


Hey this could be your new motto...

"I would never waste your time by walking into a store and not buy something..."

Why do you suddenly "feel bad" about going the AD and trying a Rolex on for the
40th time this month?

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I think there may be a bit of confusion here..

I don't think going to an AD to try on a watch you might be interested in is a waste of time....so long as you go there with the intention to buy if you like it and the price is right...

Where the problem lies is the serial browser...the guy who comes in EVERY week or two and looks at the watches, tries them on, spents lots of time playing the part...then NEVER buys anything. They take the knowledge they gathered from their multiple, multiple visits and go buy a used one elsewhere...

How anyone can condone that is beyond me...

So once a week is the line? I've never bought from an AD and I usually pop in once every 2 months. Do I fall into your ethical guidelines of being a good person and not wasting anyone's time?

And when you talk about knowledge btw, It's not like I'm stealing art history classes by sitting quietly in the back of a classroom. I go to look at the watch, feel it in hand, try it on. I don't need a sales person for that unfortunately. As mentioned previously it's very rare I meet a sales person who actually teaches me something.

Lastly, and just to be clear, I agree with you if the "price is right". I paid almost 25% less BNIB on my LVC going trusted seller route. I found one AD in a year of looking who actually had it, and the sales person had the nerve to say, they should probably charge me more than MSRP because of how rare it was!

OK, the price was wrong as was the entire experience.

[Wcdhtwn]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

and trying on watches, but I buy from TRF... I never buy from him, and now I would like to try on a SD4000, but I can't bring myself to go there to try it on.

What should I do? Wear out another AD...

As long as you aren't wearing in watches you bought from TRF or another AD and boasting how much less expensive it was then I'd keep going. Any dealer of expensive things knows selling successfully is a relationship building experience for them. And you are building a relationship to get a better price. If/when you actually break out that wallet at their place you might be surprised that you get a discount (or a better discount). Or maybe the discounts will come in the future on service for the watch you bought there and the other watches you've bought TRF because of your relationship.

[charger]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I can't believe this comparison to a museum continues to carry. Of course it's not a museum... at a museum you can't try things on and hold them in your hand and feel the weight and admire close up the craftsmanship, and of course buy them, or at least decide if you want to buy them.

ADs should encourage new customers and enthusiasts alike to handle as many watches as possible.

In a respectful, non-deceitful way and without taking advantage of anyone, it's clearly not a wast of time.

Did you read the original post?

[LuminousMaximus]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I think there may be a bit of confusion here..

I don't think going to an AD to try on a watch you might be interested in is a waste of time....so long as you go there with the intention to buy if you like it and the price is right...

Where the problem lies is the serial browser...the guy who comes in EVERY week or two and looks at the watches, tries them on, spents lots of time playing the part...then NEVER buys anything. They take the knowledge they gathered from their multiple, multiple visits and go buy a used one elsewhere...

How anyone can condone that is beyond me...

You take things and turn them into things you don't like. This is yoru example not mine.

I have gone into the AD a total of 3 times. 2 times to get repair work done, which i paid for, and the third to see if I could negotiate on a watch. I left there about $800 on service. As far as the watch, I might have bought the Sub, but we couldn't come to a deal.

He did say he could not negotiate on price ut he had a used ROLEX he could do a deal on.

My point, is you didn't take the time to really understand my post and just simply run off on your own issues surrounding the Topic...

I have been in sales most of my life. Real Estate, and I'm semi-retired at 50. I'm not bitter about the many Buyers who didn't purchase...You know why?

Of course you don't, and I'm not going to tell you because my words would only fall on deaf ears, and even if you did hear them you wouldn't understand...

Good luck my friend...

[superdog]

Personally, as a guy that owns a business, dependant in making sales I love when people call just to do some tire kicking.

It gives me the opportunity to make a sale. The more shots on goal I get, the more sales we make.

While I still think the OP should buy one there to make himself feel better, I laugh at the idea that he is wasting their time.

If the sales guy is any good, he will convert the tire kicker into a customer.

If you caught a fish every time, it would be called catching. Instead it's called fishing.

I pay a lot of money in advertising simply to get as many opportunities as possible.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

So once a week is the line? I've never bought from an AD and I usually pop in once every 2 months. Do I fall into your ethical guidelines of being a good person and not wasting anyone's time?

And when you talk about knowledge btw, It's not like I'm stealing art history classes by sitting quietly in the back of a classroom. I go to look at the watch, feel it in hand, try it on. I don't need a sales person for that unfortunately. As mentioned previously it's very rare I meet a sales person who actually teaches me something.

Lastly, and just to be clear, I agree with you if the "price is right". I paid almost 25% less BNIB on my LVC going trusted seller route. I found one AD in a year of looking who actually had it, and the sales person had the nerve to say, they should probably charge me more than MSRP because of how rare it was!

OK, the price was wrong as was the entire experience.

I guess it comes down to what you can live with..

Some people value others time more than others.

In my opinion wasting another's time is one of the worst insults you can incur on someone. They can never have those moments back....Never.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

You take things and turn them into things you don't like. This is yoru example not mine.

I have gone into the AD a total of 3 times. 2 times to get repair work done, which i paid for, and the third to see if I could negotiate on a watch. I left there about $800 on service. As far as the watch, I might have bought the Sub, but we couldn't come to a deal.

He did say he could not negotiate on price ut he had a used ROLEX he could do a deal on.

My point, is you didn't take the time to really understand my post and just simply run off on your own issues surrounding the Topic...

I have been in sales most of my life. Real Estate, and I'm semi-retired at 50. I'm not bitter about the many Buyers who didn't purchase...You know why?

Of course you don't, and I'm not going to tell you because my words would only fall on deaf ears, and even if you did hear them you wouldn't understand...

Good luck my friend...

You never mentioned any of that in your initial post.

This is what I responded to:

feel bad...I keep going to the AD

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and trying on watches, but I buy from TRF... I never buy from him, and now I would like to try on a SD4000, but I can't bring myself to go there to try it on.

What should I do? Wear out another AD...

That was your initial post. Do you even know what you wrote?

What does "wear" out another AD imply?


Look dude. Bottom line...just stop screwing around with the AD, buying USED watches is your thing and that's cool, so just go that route and leave the AD alone.



There is a reason why you started this thread...you know what you're doing is wrong and you "feel bad' about it....so STOP..just that simple.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

I can't believe this comparison to a museum continues to carry. Of course it's not a museum... at a museum you can't try things on and hold them in your hand and feel the weight and admire close up the craftsmanship, and of course buy them, or at least decide if you want to buy them.

ADs should encourage new customers and enthusiasts alike to handle as many watches as possible.

In a respectful, non-deceitful way and without taking advantage of anyone, it's clearly not a wast of time.

Originally Posted by charger

Did you read the original post?

Yes. Do you have a comment or question?

[Desibaba]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

You never mentioned any of that in your initial post.

Look dude...just stop screwing around with the AD, buying USED watches is your thing, so just go that route and leave the AD alone.

There is a reason why you started this thread...you know what you're doing is wrong and you "feel bad' about it....so STOP..just that simple.

In most of your posts you come across as a douche but in this particular case I agree with you. He wouldnt be "Feeling bad" about it if he was 100 percent okay with it to begin with. I also think if you are going to a AD take your smart phone and see how close to the TRF price they are willing to go. Id rather pay a few hundred more to have the piece of mind of buying from an AD vs buying from JoeShmoeSW that I dont know.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I guess it comes down to what you can live with..

Some people value others time more than others.

In my opinion wasting another's time is one of the worst insults you can incur on someone. They can never have those moments back....Never.

That's a little dramatic. Life is about experience and as Superdog mentioned earlier, dealing with people who don't always buy is part of the business of sales. If you walk around saying "those moments are lost forever, I'll never get them back", than you're not cut out for that business.

There is much to learn in almost any situation, including dealing with a chronic window shopper. Being able to let things go is not only a nice tool for life, but also for sales.

To say you can never get those moments back is well... a sad way to look at life and experiences you have, whether in your professional environment or personal life.

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Desibaba

In most of your posts you come across as a douche but in this particular case I agree with you. He wouldnt be "Feeling bad" about it if he was 100 percent okay with it to begin with. I also think if you are going to a AD take your smart phone and see how close to the TRF price they are willing to go. Id rather pay a few hundred more to have the piece of mind of buying from an AD vs buying from JoeShmoeSW that I dont know.

I saved about $3000 on a $10k watch by going with a trusted seller. A few hundred dollars and now you're in business! But sorry, not $3000.

[jerseyb]

Originally Posted by superdog

If the sales guy is any good, he will convert the tire kicker into a customer.

If you caught a fish every time, it would be called catching. Instead it's called fishing.

Well said

[Gasoil4ever]

Originally Posted by Submariner2015

People window shop all the time--at the end of the day, most consumers (most) want the lowest price for any particular item (all other things being relatively the same regarding the product) and so there is nothing wrong with trying on or looking at a product only to buy it somewhere else...this is consumerism and you shouldn't feel guilty about it

Yes people want the best price, but then cry when their local whatsoever shop closes after running out of business or loose their jobs...

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

Yes people want the best price, but then cry when their local whatsoever shop closes after running out of business or loose their jobs...

Your "whatsoever" example is a bit vague, but I'll just say this isn't the same thing as comparing your local mom and pop hardware shop to home depot.

Yes I would gladly pay 5-10% more to buy locally than order online or go to the ho-po.

But the bigger issue here (as you can see from my previous posts) is that this type of commission based sales industry needs an overhaul. The system is archaic. There is a way to keep people employed, and stop the price hunting games.

15 years ago if you wanted to buy an MP3 player, or let's say minidisc walkman, you would get 4 different prices from 4 different shops! Those days are over and should be over, next stop hopefully is the auto industry, i.e. Tesla Automobiles. Then if we're lucky maybe luxury watches can take a page out of the Tesla playbook.

[Submariner2015]

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

Yes people want the best price, but then cry when their local whatsoever shop closes after running out of business or loose their jobs...

I'm not one of those "crying" people

[charger]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Yes. Do you have a comment or question?

He said he would never buy.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Then if we're lucky maybe luxury watches can take a page out of the Tesla playbook.

What's the difference between the Tesla playbook and a factory run Panerai, Omega, Breitling, IWC, AP, Brequet, Hublot, Chopard, Piaget and others boutique?

[srvrf]

I don't see a problem with window shopping, but if you're really not going to buy or even give them a chance then I wouldn't waste their time buy trying anything on. Now I also agree that a good salesperson would at least try to create a good experience for you. And maybe even encourage you to try one or two on. Service is the AD difference. It means more to some people than others.


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[997.2]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I guess it went to the AD's I bought my new Rolexes from, Sporto..



I don't waste AD's time. I'm never embarrassed or "feel bad" to show my face there....Maybe one day you can say the same.

I read all your comments in this thread. Not a fan, hope you don't stick around long, your precious sacred 'time' would be wasted here on TRF.
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[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by 997.2

I read all your comments in this thread. Not a fan, hope you don't stick around long, your precious sacred 'time' would be wasted here on TRF.
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Specifically what don't you like?

You think it's fair to waste peoples time and string them along with no intention of buying?

I'm not the only one on this thread who has voiced this opinion

I wouldn't want someone like you as a fan or associate with them in any fashion. On the net or in person. I truly hope you ignore me going forward.