Reflections of a Rolex to AP convert

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Chary

and I agree with Paul once you step up into the 44mm's it's a whole different world!!! and I still own 2 rolexes by the way...


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44mm

[lapince]

Originally Posted by rudegar

I NEVER wanted a Rolex. I thought it would be the last watch I'd ever buy. Apparently I was right!!!

I have PAM, Omega, Breitling, IWC and others. But Rolex is my favorite, most worn, last brand I bought and next brand I will buy.

I can't explain how I changed from thinking Rolex were overexposed, too expensive, too much for uneducated (re watches) people with more money than taste etc etc

I now believe that millions of sales per year show that the people are right, Rolex are tremendous in so many ways and I am a complete convert. I have 3 and soon maybe 4 and my wife has one and gave her old one to our daughter.

Well if ever you get a AP, Patek, A Lange & Sohne or other high end brands, as Rolex is NOT a high end brand, believe me you will change your mind and will flip all your watches to keep just one or two models from a real high end watch company, I thought seeing the prices I never would but hey you get used to everything, between Rolex and AP, PP, ALS and others there's just a universe of difference…. I also had Omega, 1, Breitling, 2, and Pam , 3, as for Rolex I had 5, and all these were sold once I discovered the uniqueness of high end brands, I had 3 high end pieces, Patek 5712, 5726 and AP ceramic diver, maybe Blancpain is considered by some as high end also, surely more than the other brands I listed, so had the L-Evolution alarm GMT from them, and when you have such watches on your wrist you're not wearing a luxury watch, you'e wearing a horological masterpiece on your wrist, big difference….

[schumi7]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well if ever you get a AP, Patek, A Lange & Sohne or other high end brands, as Rolex is NOT a high end brand, believe me you will change your mind and will flip all your watches to keep just one or two models from a real high end watch company, I thought seeing the prices I never would but hey you get used to everything, between Rolex and AP, PP, ALS and others there's just a universe of difference…. I also had Omega, 1, Breitling, 2, and Pam , 3, as for Rolex I had 5, and all these were sold once I discovered the uniqueness of high end brands, I had 3 high end pieces, Patek 5712, 5726 and AP ceramic diver, maybe Blancpain is considered by some as high end also, surely more than the other brands I listed, so had the L-Evolution alarm GMT from them, and when you have such watches on your wrist you're not wearing a luxury watch, you'e wearing a horological masterpiece on your wrist, big difference….

Rolex is high end

Everyone here loves Rolex for their beauty

They only love the other brands for what they represent !

Rolex uses 916 steel
AP uses 316

And to be honest with you all, I would rather have the best of something , than the shi* of something just to say I own a AP or Patek

A Daydate/Skydweller in precious metals in my opinion is the s class

15400/ROO/ 5712 are the c class

AP make Skelton, tourbillion, perpetual calendars

Below is a pic of one of the best AP has to offer.

That is the Skydweller/ platona of AP

Till then I'd rather have the s class than a c class

Let me explain further

If rolls Royce were to make a c class/3 series competitor that would be the 15400, diver, 5712 etc

Yes we all want a rolls, but a real rolls,

NOT A C CLASS

Again

You don't love those brands, and if you do it's because of their tourbillion and perpetual calendars etc

You only love what they represent

By the way , I owned few APs

Bumblebee - case chips with heat
44mm novelty panda - pusher keeps falling

So I pay all that money, for the cheapest watch the brand makes, in NON precious metals, just to say I own that brand ?!?!? 😳

No man

And u CANNOT wear those watches everyday

A Rolex being submariner or Daydate can be worn

Plus great men in history wore it

They are in history books

We are not !

Maybe we should look and learn 😉

Peace


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[schumi7]

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[asleep]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well if ever you get a AP, Patek, A Lange & Sohne or other high end brands...believe me you will change your mind and will flip all your watches to keep just one or two models from a real high end watch company...

Not everyone. Not me. I no longer own these...





I own the SubC/date, even though my disposable income is higher than its ever been.

[UncleSwiss]

[QUOTE=schumi7;6338547]Rolex is high end

Everyone here loves Rolex for their beauty

They only love the other brands for what they represent !

Rolex uses 916 steel
AP uses 316...



IMHO...

[schumi7]

Didn't mean any disrespect

Not to anyone

But all this Rolex bashing unfair and ONLY based on unbiased , stereotype and good marketing and just stage 2 (according to Forbes)




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[schumi7]

PS

I am open minded

I owned Brands other than Rolex

They just don't hold up

They break (pushers) or chip (carbon)

can't be worn everyday,

stainless steel that's less durable

To each their own off course.

If I blow my money on something, I want it to be the best the brand can offer







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[schumi7]

Finally I did go through that phase of hating Rolex, that's why I am sharing my experience, and I'm lucky knowing this being only 30 years old

I still own my APs ROo

It prefer my gold Daytona more

Soo comfy yet soo heavy

Unbelievable


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[anothernewphone]

Schumi, why are you typing like that?

[jeffnnj]

What I love most about Rolex is that they have carefree ownership. With the current generation, I cannot think of many activities that might cause them any harm. They are top notch quality and are virtually indestructible. There is a huge benefit to wearing a beautiful watch and not having to give a second thought in case you happen to smash it against something or want to take a dip in the hot tub. My 15400 is a completely different animal. Where my Milgauss is usually exposed to the world in no small part due to the aforementioned reasons, my AP is usually tucked under a sleeve and when I do expose it, I'm usually pretty damn careful. This has less to do with economics than my OCD about scratches. While a small ding, gash or scratch on my Rolex adds character, on my AP its a blemish. When I want a compromise between the two, I wear my JLC Memovox Master Compressor. For some reason I have this unhealthy affection to it that I've never had with any other watch. Maybe it's the odd complication or the super legible dial. It's also more robust than my AP but not as tough as my Rolex, but then nothing is. Casio perhaps. Oh, and I work for BMW so, while I am guilty of being a poser, I am paid as such :)

[lapince]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Been there and done that. Give it time.

Btw people in BMWs with subs are posers? How about people with an eye for quality? Few cars scream look at me more than the camaro in your avatar

Originally Posted by Watch This

Panerai also has that awesome stealthiness. Nothing else looks like a PAM. I had the 422 and 88. I need to learn to acquire and not flip. I miss them too much.

Well I had very special Pams, 082, only 300 made, 028 with 1000 made, still have it but it's on sale and a 233 "dot" dial from 2009, nice mix, 1 SS, 1 TI, and 1 DLC (diamond like carbon), but I grew tired of them as soon as I went in the top horological brands...

[willski]

Rolex makes some great watches.

AP makes some great watches.

It's a great thing that there's variety for people to choose from, and not always bash.


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[improviz]

Schumi, afaik AP does not officially confirm what type of stainless steel they use; if you have a reference which states otherwise, please provide.

As to Rolex's use of 916: 916 is actually softer than 316, because of the 916's higher nickel content: nickel is a softer material than steel, therefore it will scratch more easily than 316. This can easily be verified by doing some research and getting the hardness number for each of the steel variants; 916 is less hard than the others.

Lastly, opinions that Rolex has "better reliability" than AP or any other mechanical brand are just that: the survey posted recently in the main Rolex forum showed that roughly one out of three owners had to put their Rolexes in for service under warranty, hardly a Lexus–like level of reliability. I personally have had two of my Rolexes break and require servicing, and there are lots of threads in the main forum of issues and failures, so I'm not losing any sleep over wearing my APs on a daily basis (nor my Rolexes for that matter).

[jeffnnj]

Originally Posted by schumi7

Rolex is high end

Everyone here loves Rolex for their beauty

They only love the other brands for what they represent !

Rolex uses 916 steel
AP uses 316

And to be honest with you all, I would rather have the best of something , than the shi* of something just to say I own a AP or Patek

A Daydate/Skydweller in precious metals in my opinion is the s class

15400/ROO/ 5712 are the c class

AP make Skelton, tourbillion, perpetual calendars

Below is a pic of one of the best AP has to offer.

That is the Skydweller/ platona of AP

Till then I'd rather have the s class than a c class

Let me explain further

If rolls Royce were to make a c class/3 series competitor that would be the 15400, diver, 5712 etc

Yes we all want a rolls, but a real rolls,

NOT A C CLASS

Again

You don't love those brands, and if you do it's because of their tourbillion and perpetual calendars etc

You only love what they represent

By the way , I owned few APs

Bumblebee - case chips with heat
44mm novelty panda - pusher keeps falling

So I pay all that money, for the cheapest watch the brand makes, in NON precious metals, just to say I own that brand ?!?!? 😳

No man

And u CANNOT wear those watches everyday

A Rolex being submariner or Daydate can be worn

Plus great men in history wore it

They are in history books

We are not !

Maybe we should look and learn 😉

Peace


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I own a 15400 and several Rolexes. As far it being a C Class, your reference is way, way off for a number of reasons. I bought the watch because I cannot see owning and maintaining something just for the sake of useless complication. I have an IWC chrono. Know when the last time I used the timer? Never. I have lots of friends who have Daytonas who haven't used the pushers since the day they bought them. It's like the Sea Dwellers. You wear something on your wrist that looks like Flavor Flav should be wearing it around his neck. IMO, a Sub works just as well and is a hell of a lot more comfortable. You're not James Cameron and you're not going diving in thousands of feet of water. I own a Miguass. There's a useful complication. Watches become magnetized from time to time. Mine won't. I have a JLC Memovox. The alarm is useful. I work in a field where just about everyone wear a Rolex. I have been complimented on mine many times but when I wear my AP and those same people notice, their eyes get wide and they tend to stare a lot.

[schumi7]

Originally Posted by willski

Rolex makes some great watches.

AP makes some great watches.

It's a great thing that there's variety for people to choose from, and not always bash.


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+1

We are lucky we have a lot of choice

You are definitely correct


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[schumi7]

Originally Posted by improviz

Schumi, afaik AP does not officially confirm what type of stainless steel they use; if you have a reference which states otherwise, please provide.

As to Rolex's use of 916: 916 is actually softer than 316, because of the 916's higher nickel content: nickel is a softer material than steel, therefore it will scratch more easily than 316. This can easily be verified by doing some research and getting the hardness number for each of the steel variants; 916 is less hard than the others.

Lastly, opinions that Rolex has "better reliability" than AP or any other mechanical brand are just that: the survey posted recently in the main Rolex forum showed that roughly one out of three owners had to put their Rolexes in for service under warranty, hardly a Lexus–like level of reliability. I personally have had two of my Rolexes break and require servicing, and there are lots of threads in the main forum of issues and failures, so I'm not losing any sleep over wearing my APs on a daily basis (nor my Rolexes for that matter).

I guess when we pay 20-40k for a watch, and it's not working properly (Rolex or AP) it says a lot lol

For me when I wear a watch I need it to feel like a celebration. Especially when I'm paying top dollar.

Only Rolex gives me that feeling

I own a panda 42mm and blue theme. Beautiful watches.

Love them

But love my Rollie's more

Anyway, they are all good watch

All this Rolex bashing was just extreme

They really make a nice watch
















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[schumi7]

I am 100% sure, that many words came to everyone's mind while viewing these pics

One of them is definitely "beautiful"

That's why I really appreciate Rolex




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[improviz]

schumi7, excluding the stock photo of the Patinum Daytona, are those all photos of your personal watches?

[texex91]

Originally Posted by schumi7

I am 100% sure, that many words came to everyone's mind while viewing these pics

One of them is definitely "beautiful"

That's why I really appreciate Rolex




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I think with your plenty of posts...we got it...you like Rolex.

We get it

[Watch This]

I started this thread and almost wish I hadn't. I had just purchased an AP diver. I had become rather put off by some in the Rolex crowd who purchase a submariner and think and act like they have "arrived". So i went with the most affordable AP for me and found it to be fantastic but tough as a daily wearer because of its bulk and bezel. I sold it and went with a SS YM2 because I wanted something not seen on everyone's wrist. Phase III as I jokingly referred to it.

Rolex are great, durable and hold their value very well. No one will ever convince me they are not high end timepieces. AP, PP, VC are also great, somewhat less durable and perhaps more high end in terms of finish, craftsmanship and heritage. Service costs and service ease are also a huge consideration. All these brands can co-exist and do so in the collections of those fortunate enough to own them. They need not be mutually exclusive. I had commented that AP owners seems more comfortable in their own skin and less inclined to be "showy". I stand by that but it is simply one man's opinion. I really like the 44mm ROO chronos in ceramic which may one day make a great second watch. The durable bezel seems to me to be the key.

In any event, the idiotic bickering is unnecessary and pointless. This is a forum for the sharing of ideas and enjoyment of all timepieces. It's not a freakin' competition. Get real.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by anothernewphone

Schumi, why are you typing like that?

That did make me laugh out loud.

Passions are aroused which is good but no point pitting brand against brand; these are all very high quality fine watches and we are all very blessed to be able to own them.

[masterserg]

Originally Posted by AK797

That did make me laugh out loud.

Passions are aroused which is good but no point pitting brand against brand; these are all very high quality fine watches and we are all very blessed to be able to own them.

Yep. I'll also add that they are just that ... Watches ...nice but not all that important.

[NoVaSubowner]

Originally Posted by Watch This

I started this thread and almost wish I hadn't. I had just purchased an AP diver. I had become rather put off by some in the Rolex crowd who purchase a submariner and think and act like they have "arrived". So i went with the most affordable AP for me and found it to be fantastic but tough as a daily wearer because of its bulk and bezel. I sold it and went with a SS YM2 because I wanted something not seen on everyone's wrist. Phase III as I jokingly referred to it.

Rolex are great, durable and hold their value very well. No one will ever convince me they are not high end timepieces. AP, PP, VC are also great, somewhat less durable and perhaps more high end in terms of finish, craftsmanship and heritage. Service costs and service ease are also a huge consideration. All these brands can co-exist and do so in the collections of those fortunate enough to own them. They need not be mutually exclusive. I had commented that AP owners seems more comfortable in their own skin and less inclined to be "showy". I stand by that but it is simply one man's opinion. I really like the 44mm ROO chronos in ceramic which may one day make a great second watch. The durable bezel seems to me to be the key.

In any event, the idiotic bickering is unnecessary and pointless. This is a forum for the sharing of ideas and enjoyment of all timepieces. It's not a freakin' competition. Get real.

[jrs146]

Let's start a thread... Reflections of a Rolex AND an AP lover! I'll post first.

They are BOTH great watch brands! Different strengths, but strength they both have.


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[speedmaster73]

im thinking of trading of trading my daytona ss and datejust 2 to obtain the AP diver(BNIB).....im on the fence...im leaning towards doing it.....if i do it would be first time without a rolex in my 'collection'....i will get the subLV later OR something from Basel 16 rolex offerings!!

am i nuts?

[Watch This]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

im thinking of trading of trading my daytona ss and datejust 2 to obtain the AP diver(BNIB).....im on the fence...im leaning towards doing it.....if i do it would be first time without a rolex in my 'collection'....i will get the subLV later OR something from Basel 16 rolex offerings!!

am i nuts?

Again...I found the AP diver to be a tough daily wear watch. You have to be very very careful not to take a gouge out of that beautiful bezel. That aspect made me very uneasy. Also... Two for one trades are often regretted. Youre sure to miss one of them. Good luck.

[schumi7]

Originally Posted by AK797

That did make me laugh out loud.



Passions are aroused which is good but no point pitting brand against brand; these are all very high quality fine watches and we are all very blessed to be able to own them.

Bro to be honest with you ,

You are the one who brought me back to Rolex

It was one of your pics actually

I kept looking at the pic and thinking "my god each one of these watches are so beautiful"




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[schumi7]

Originally Posted by improviz

schumi7, excluding the stock photo of the Patinum Daytona, are those all photos of your personal watches?

These are mine brother










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[texex91]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

im thinking of trading of trading my daytona ss and datejust 2 to obtain the AP diver(BNIB).....im on the fence...im leaning towards doing it.....if i do it would be first time without a rolex in my 'collection'....i will get the subLV later OR something from Basel 16 rolex offerings!!

am i nuts?

Diver is extremely easy to wear everyday. Just because one person didn't like it no biggie. Heck I can't wear Daytona's. Forget about waiting on Basel as those watches won't be out until Summer at earliest. Go grab the Diver