Anyone else notice the aftermarket price of a GV Milgauss is down?

[veilstylez]

Originally Posted by BigHat

I agree with what you say for the most part. Very reasonable. Concur, there is huge uncertainty in what Rolex CAN or is WILLING to do. That's precisely my objection to these declarative posts citing the assertions of an AD that MUST BE true. We all know Rolex keeps ADs largely in the dark anyway.

Certainly tons of watches from overseas, but I know of a few from Furman acquired must be from ADs in CONUS (two day turnaround on a request for a specific model?). I have never bought a watch from them, but they are local to me and many friends shop there. At the prices they are willing to pay for SS Daytonas now, it almost has to come from an AD, anyone flipping would have to do a private sale to make it worthwhile. I'm also unsure the only 1%buy a SS Daytona to keep, lots of people love them and they are a status symbols. I'm betting on ADs making a bit more the MSRP. If Swiss Luxury will only pay $8K for a GV, they have to be becoming from ADs too. Again, not worth flipping to the GM when you could make more profit sold privately.

I agree, Im not saying all this must "be true" just

The part about SS daytonas to keep....I meant the ones that by for MSRP here keep them, where most sell to make a quick buck. And obviously the ones that buy at premium keep as well.

I dont think Swiss Lux "has" to be getting from a AD is true. The way grey market dealers in Downtown get there watches are a couple of ways. Theres a rolex importer that imports offshore rolex from ADs out side of US and GM dealers will buy them and sell them. Im sure these importers get them from ADs somewhere. 2 day turnaround time is nothing...they can get the watch in 1 day is they wanted to from importers. The other way these GM dealers get watches are from eveyday people. I know many GM dealers here in Downtown LA that buy watches from regular people. I've seen people that just came from Ben Bridge, bring it to Downtown and sell a Daytona for 10.5k to GM. Then the GM resells them for 12k. The GM in Downtown is known for buying watches. Truefully, I sell watches I dont want to these GM guys all the time. ..yeah you might get less but its faster and easier. Plus there are plenty of people that dont know how to sell online or on Ebay. And some that just don't like the hastle of selling privately. Say you pick up a GV list plus tax and pay 7k out the door. Swiss or Allan say they buy them up for 8k. Still 1k profit for the buyer. And Im sure there are ADs selling Daytonas and GV's for premiums to GM dealers like Swiss and allan as well, and GM dealers buy them knowing they can sell them for more. I really dont think it makes sense for ADs to sell premium watches to grey for less.

[veilstylez]

Originally Posted by BigHat

Could we just be misunderstanding each other? What I meant was if they could track watches by serial number then the blank papers when purchased at the GM dealer wouldn't protect the AD that sold it. They'd have no anonymity. Of course, they would if this wasn't the case.

So are you saying that IF ROLEX audits ADs and IF they are required to keep photocopies of papers they would be okay? I guess so. Of course, I'd just fill out bogus papers and sell the watch without them. There is no RSC warranty from the GMs anyway, that's why they tout their own. After the warranty period, you're paying for service anyway and Rolex doesn't care if you have papers or not, if it's real they'll work on it.

No, Blank papers wouldnt protect the AD that sold, which is why my AD fill them out and copies them. It wouldnt protect the AD from the Ghet-go if they sold the watch to a GM cuz it can be tracked. So your right, blank papers or not it doesnt matter. The only reason why GM dealers and flippers like blank papers is because its easier to sell to there customers. ...and feed them the crap like "you get warranty as long as your name is on the papers"
To add, I dont think Rolex can track who name is on the watch by serial.

Yup, I've bought from 4 different ADs here in Cali and all of them make photo copies of the waranty card onces its filled out. Its gives them proof and protection that the watch was sold with card filled and to a customer. Now I can't say all ADs do this of course but mine do.

So lets say you buy a GV and fill out bogus papers and flip the watch with out papers. Rolex can still track it by the serial on the watch if they wanted...but since there are no papers Rolex can't say that the AD sold them the watch. All the AD has to do is show Rolex the copies of the waranty card and say hey, X person buy it. rolex can't do anything. But the Ad is protected because of copies.

[llamaofdoom]

Wow. Lock thread?

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by llamaofdoom

Wow. Lock thread?

You being forced to read it?

[Chozn1]

Originally Posted by llamaofdoom

Wow. Lock thread?

Seriously? You're gonna post that?

Anyhoo, I called my AD this afternoon asking about a Daytona because there's someone with a GV in the FS section that would take a straight up trade for a SS Daytona. I asked if there would be any chance of getting them into trouble for a trade like this, and her response was "As long as he doesn't list it for sale publicly, I couldn't care less". So I don't know about the "secret tracking". If in fact it is tracked, and I strongly believe that it is to some extent, it must be by checking out online auctions, places like the FS section on here, ect.

[veilstylez]

Originally Posted by llamaofdoom

Wow. Lock thread?

for wat?


I just think different ADs take different precautions because some are scared and some are not of Rolex.

[Timekiller]

[QUOTE=BigHat;683895]

Originally Posted by Timekiller

I prefer the paperwork to be "clean". Hey, at some point something will have to go and with the few sales transactions I have done over the years its another selling point.

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Do you worry about warranty work? If you have a problem would they retroactively fill them out for you?

With clean paperwork, do you have an infinite warranty period?

You are correct on PP. Additionally VC and AP get pretty aggressive. I have heard from the president of VC USA that AP has almost dried up their GM problem on BNIB items. I assume he's correct only because he was touting the good work of others. You see them on the Essential Watches site, but when you call to inquire they tell you they'll have to go find one...

[Timekiller]

[QUOTE=BigHat;683895]

Originally Posted by Timekiller

I prefer the paperwork to be "clean". Hey, at some point something will have to go and with the few sales transactions I have done over the years its another selling point.

QUOTE]


Do you worry about warranty work? If you have a problem would they retroactively fill them out for you?

With clean paperwork, do you have an infinite warranty period?

You are correct on PP. Additionally VC and AP get pretty aggressive. I have heard from the president of VC USA that AP has almost dried up their GM problem on BNIB items. I assume he's correct only because he was touting the good work of others. You see them on the Essential Watches site, but when you call to inquire they tell you they'll have to go find one...

One of the many benefits of a long standing relationship with one AD is the help with any service issues. The warranty cards are AD stamped but the name and date are open. I wouldn't take advantage of my AD and knock wood, the only Rollie service issues I have had have been on my wife's YM and Datejust. The girl is hard on watches. If some situation came up that required it, I'm positive my AD would give me solid info ie need to backdate warranty info to get work done.

There is an extremely competent factory authorized Panerai service facility up in Northern California and i send my older PAM pieces there with a heck of a lot more confidence than dealing with PASC in Dallas.

[Milgauss-Green]

I call a ad in San Antonio Texas and he was selling me a Milgauss Gv for 18500.00 is it legal? phone number in san antonio 210 5419575

[DoxaDavid]

Originally Posted by Milgauss-Green

I call a ad in San Antonio Texas and he was selling me a Milgauss Gv for 18500.00 is it legal? phone number in san antonio 210 5419575

Legal? Yes..

Moral? NO..I would tell them to go

[Milgauss-Green]

Thank you

[Z-Sub]

Originally Posted by DoxaDavid

Legal? Yes..

Moral? NO..I would tell them to go

X2. Some AD's do the same with SS Daytona, just not as as with the GV's.

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by Milgauss-Green

I call a ad in San Antonio Texas and he was selling me a Milgauss Gv for 18500.00 is it legal? phone number in san antonio 210 5419575

First of all you wouldn't even have to pay close to that amount at a GM so it goes to show you how stupid ADs can be. That watch will not sell at that price to anyone but a rich moron with no web access.

I wonder if it's "used"? The Big T will sell new Daytonas all day at MSRP, but the "used" ones in the corner sell for $14k or so. That's one way to circumvent the Rolex policy.