DD40 v. Nautilus v. 15202

[rw2008]

Originally Posted by Mikeyman95

Trading the TT. The 5711 flies a little more under the radar and is of course unbelievable awesome, but I would probably feel pretty nervous every time I jumped in the pool or got splashed whereas the DD I would probably never even think about it. Yeah?

That seems to be the consensus.

As cool as that particular AP is, I get the impression it's WAY less waterproof and either the PP or the Rolex.

[crazycarlitos]

5711 blue or white dial.

Dd40 with fluted bezel and presidential bracelet is just too flashy for all occasion.

[Mikeyman95]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

5711 blue or white dial.

Dd40 with fluted bezel and presidential bracelet is just too flashy for all occasion.

Ok, thanks for saying what I was really thinking. Even tho I like to say that I could care less whether someone thinks it's flashy, if I'm being honest to myself even I have to say that there are occasions that I think it wouldn't work in. But the 5711: come on...nobody could think that was too flashy. The average person (or even "above average" person) would have no idea what the 5711 is...

Now, I could get the DD40 and a ND sub for those few occasions when I don't want to get bagged on when I leave the room or while I'm still in the room...

Seriously, I think my heart will stop when I jump in the pool if I'm wearing the 5711.

[rw2008]

^Patek says on their website that the 5711 is resistant to 120m.

The DD is 100m.

[Mikeyman95]

Originally Posted by rw2008

^Patek says on their website that the 5711 is resistant to 120m.

The DD is 100m.

Right, I saw that last night. I didn't say my fear is reasonable (most aren't however). In my mind the 5711 is less durable. However, I meant to mention earlier, the PP AD at Costa Mesa said when I mentioned the water activities: "that's what it's made to do is go in the water". And then said "but I wouldn't". Not that helpful...

[descartes]

If you like the style of the 15202 and water resistance is important you might want to consider the 15300. It's more robust and has a screw down crown. The 15202 is of course more true to the original jumbo, but similar considerations as yours led me to the 15300.

That said, of the 3 choices, I'd go for the 5711.

[sahcivan]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

My first and only service experience with PP took 8 months so I'm not sure I'd make a PP my one and only watch.

15202 -- I have one but would not wear it everyday. It scratches very easily.

All three are fine watches but if you can only have one, I'd go DD40 for durability, ease of service, date and peace of mind over the long haul.

8 months!!!!!!!!! How come?

[crazycarlitos]

Originally Posted by Mikeyman95

Seriously, I think my heart will stop when I jump in the pool if I'm wearing the 5711.

Hahaha

with name Nautilus, I m sure it will be just fine in the pool

[Mikeyman95]

Originally Posted by descartes

If you like the style of the 15202 and water resistance is important you might want to consider the 15300. It's more robust and has a screw down crown. The 15202 is of course more true to the original jumbo, but similar considerations as yours led me to the 15300.



That said, of the 3 choices, I'd go for the 5711.

Good point re: 300. Thanks for that.

[al503]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

A bit of advice from a DD40 owner. Do not take ownership of the watch until the AD has demonstrated that the change-over mechanism works correctly.. some do not, Check by fully winding the watch, set it to change in a few minutes and then let it run under it's own steam. It should change within three minutes of midnight, although a few minutes variation doesn't matter.. Make sure the AD doesn't fiddle with the hands to give it help !
Quite a few DD40s have a fault...accepted by Rolex...and don't change properly. I had three samples which changed up to 90 minutes late, A fellow forum member in the UK had the same issues and got his money back. My AD returned all his samples for upgrades to the 3255 movement, at least one other UK AD has done the same. Rolex are changing/adding some parts, although they don't like to talk about it. Here in the UK the technical director is in sole charge of modifying the watches. I don't wish to worry you, and your watch is hopefully fine..
If there are signs of the issue, reject the watch. Rolex are sorting this out, so it shouldn't take long to get you an upgraded sample. And if the AD says he knows nothing about this,, just check how the watch operates.
They are lovely watches and you should have great pleasure in the long run. Me, after three faulty samples and the experience of some fellow owners, I have also got my money back. Shame really. I might buy again when I have confidence that this is fully sorted.
I've yet to see a single DD40 that changes correctly..by Rolex's own criteria! When my AD first saw this problem for himself, he went white and said. 'That shouldn't happen'.....and he's right. I'd love to hear from owners who have watches that work to the Rolex specification. That would give some balance to this issue. I simply don't know how many watches have been affected. Of course, many owners may not have noticed, or decide it doesn't worry them. Which is, of course, just fine.
Apologies if I have worried you, but these are honest experiences and I'm not alone. Th good thing is that Role will sort all this out and it will soon be in the past. I haven't enjoyed raising this, but saying nothing, which is what I was urged to do, isn't really fair.
I still think Rolex make great watches! I've heard far worse tales about problems with other brands, including Patek.

I just picked mine up today. The AD handed it to me in the sealed, plastic case. The first thing I did was check the DD change over. When cycling by hand, it changes between 1 min early and exactly at midnight. When set a few minutes early and left to run, it changes between 1 min and 1 min 45 seconds after midnight.

I'm not tickled but its within what I consider reasonable enough not to mess with it.

Thanks for the heads up on this issue.

[watchwatcher]

Originally Posted by Mikeyman95

You think the YG GMT green dial is too goofy or dated? I think it's just awesome and a classic.

One thing however. I think the oyster bracelet with the flat links will show too much scratching for my liking (in gold at least given all of the "activities") compared to the pres bracelet of the DD shows less due to the rounded links..???

Me...? I'm the biggest green GMT fan on the forum. (Well there may be a few who qualify ahead of me as they are actual owners...) If that's in the running, all bets are off for me, my friend.

You're overthinking the scratching thing. The gold oyster is truly a magnificent work of art. Oh..and way more adjustable than the president bracelet.

[derekstlmo]

Love them all but i would go 15202

[Chute]

I'm glad you posted this Mikey. And thanks to all of the owners who submitted opinions.

I'm considering a Grail watch in the near future and have been debating the 5711, 5167, DD40 and maybe a YG Daytona . I'm really leaning towards the white 5711 but I haven't been able to even see one much less try it on.

I kicked the 15202 out of the loop since it felt fragile when I tried it on and I felt cheated on a watch that expensive with no second hand, no screw down crown, no quick set date, etc.

The 5167 is cheaper lighter and less expensive than any of your choices and looks like it can do everything but really formal settings if you want another watch to consider.

YG Daytona would go with everything but lacks a date. Plus it doesn't come with a ceramic bezel (yet) so let's kick it off the list too.

While considering the 5711 I realized for the price there are a lot of wonderful pieces in that price range. With the steep discounts seen in the for sale section, you can get a DD40 for the price of a 5711 or pretty close.

Since you like the GMT, how about the WG BLRO Pepsi? For me, my ceramic GMT in stainless is worn constantly and takes a licking but still looks great. The BLRO to me would fit your requirements.

All that being said, I did try on a DD40 last weekend and was very impressed'
, but it wouldn't be a watch I'd feel comfortable for everything. It is a Rolex President after all and I am not that big of a deal yet to wear a watch like that all of the time. So of your three, in the event my other suggestions don't help, I'd go 5711.

[Mrkamir9]

Can't go wrong with any of these. 15202 is probably my favorite but the Nautilus probably would be my next best especially for activities. I went with a 15300 mainly for these reasons, although it doesn't have the history as a jumbo...which is undeniably one of the best. The 15300 has very similar proportions, screw down crown, quickset date function, 60 hour power reserve, more robust bracelet, and a balance bridge that is very secure. If you really have your heart set on a RO its a great daily watch! Ofcourse they will never take the beating of your Rolex, but the finish and beauty makes up for it... And it saves you a lot! Just a thought 😉


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[descartes]

Originally Posted by sahcivan

8 months!!!!!!!!! How come?

8 months is good. My Patek 5510P recently came back from service after more than a year.

[ash20]

Originally Posted by Mikeyman95

Well you may be on to something here sir! I hadn't considered the glidelock issue which I use a couple of times per week...hmm.

Any of you guys have issues with the 5711 in terms of needing comfort adjustments here and there, or wishing you had the option?

I needed the 1.5 link on my 5711 but it's really a perfect fit. Because the 5711 is so light it doesn't move around much even if slightly loose. Really an amazing design.

[Robert993]

15202 or 5711.

[CharlesGenta]

5711

[Mikeyman95]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

A bit of advice from a DD40 owner. Do not take ownership of the watch until the AD has demonstrated that the change-over mechanism works correctly.. some do not, Check by fully winding the watch, set it to change in a few minutes and then let it run under it's own steam. It should change within three minutes of midnight, although a few minutes variation doesn't matter.. Make sure the AD doesn't fiddle with the hands to give it help !
Quite a few DD40s have a fault...accepted by Rolex...and don't change properly. I had three samples which changed up to 90 minutes late, A fellow forum member in the UK had the same issues and got his money back. My AD returned all his samples for upgrades to the 3255 movement, at least one other UK AD has done the same. Rolex are changing/adding some parts, although they don't like to talk about it. Here in the UK the technical director is in sole charge of modifying the watches. I don't wish to worry you, and your watch is hopefully fine..
If there are signs of the issue, reject the watch. Rolex are sorting this out, so it shouldn't take long to get you an upgraded sample. And if the AD says he knows nothing about this,, just check how the watch operates.
They are lovely watches and you should have great pleasure in the long run. Me, after three faulty samples and the experience of some fellow owners, I have also got my money back. Shame really. I might buy again when I have confidence that this is fully sorted.
I've yet to see a single DD40 that changes correctly..by Rolex's own criteria! When my AD first saw this problem for himself, he went white and said. 'That shouldn't happen'.....and he's right. I'd love to hear from owners who have watches that work to the Rolex specification. That would give some balance to this issue. I simply don't know how many watches have been affected. Of course, many owners may not have noticed, or decide it doesn't worry them. Which is, of course, just fine.
Apologies if I have worried you, but these are honest experiences and I'm not alone. Th good thing is that Role will sort all this out and it will soon be in the past. I haven't enjoyed raising this, but saying nothing, which is what I was urged to do, isn't really fair.
I still think Rolex make great watches! I've heard far worse tales about problems with other brands, including Patek.

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

Me...? I'm the biggest green GMT fan on the forum. (Well there may be a few who qualify ahead of me as they are actual owners...) If that's in the running, all bets are off for me, my friend.

You're overthinking the scratching thing. The gold oyster is truly a magnificent work of art. Oh..and way more adjustable than the president bracelet.

Ok well hold the presses!! I've always a real soft spot for the YG GMT green dial. One of my favorite TRF sellers (justrolexes, conveniently located in San Diego I might add...) just happens to have one at 21k. A full 5k under the DD40 and way more wearable in every activity I can imagine except maybe re-paving the driveway (altho WR is same as DD40 at 100m). Man-o-man - I'm gonna have to think on this now!!

Although i'm still being super silly about the 18k YG PCLs getting "ugly". The pres bracelet just seems like it would carry wear scratches with much more grace.

[kilyung]

Go with the '718

[watchwatcher]

Originally Posted by Mikeyman95

Ok well hold the presses!! I've always a real soft spot for the YG GMT green dial. One of my favorite TRF sellers (justrolexes, conveniently located in San Diego I might add...) just happens to have one at 21k. A full 5k under the DD40 and way more wearable in every activity I can imagine except maybe re-paving the driveway (altho WR is same as DD40 at 100m). Man-o-man - I'm gonna have to think on this now!!

Although i'm still being super silly about the 18k YG PCLs getting "ugly". The pres bracelet just seems like it would carry wear scratches with much more grace.

Sometimes the stars and planets align for a reason, my friend.

And no worries on the 18k PCL's. Way offset by the gain you're going to get with the micro adjustments in the clasp AND easy link. Plus, the ceramic bezel on the GMT is going to take more wear and look better than the fluted bezel of the DD.

Originally Posted by kilyung

Go with the '718

Listen to the man himself.

Mike, can you post some pics of your 'ugly' PCL's?

[Danny83]

Dd40

[locutus49]

I like the 5711, but it is what you like on your wrist.

[Quailhunter]

I've worn a yellow gold Daydate for almost 30 years. It looks nearly new and keeps nearly perfect time. Somehow, it doesn't show scratches as much as a steel watch. I own Pateks. They are beautiful, fragile (in my personal experience), and costly to repair.

I have 3 other Rolex watches that I like to wear, but the yellow gold Daydate "President" is an eternal classic go anywhere anytime watch.

[gjyj]

Congrats - that's just awesome. i guess it will be a pretty sleepless night for you buddy, at least it would be for me.

[Mikeyman95]

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

Sometimes the stars and planets align for a reason, my friend.



And no worries on the 18k PCL's. Way offset by the gain you're going to get with the micro adjustments in the clasp AND easy link. Plus, the ceramic bezel on the GMT is going to take more wear and look better than the fluted bezel of the DD.







Listen to the man himself.



Mike, can you post some pics of your 'ugly' PCL's?

I awoke this morning thinking "yes, that's the answer - the YG GMT Green!" And then I dressed for a meeting with a light purple dress shirt with cuff links and then thought "oh man, that green bezel wouldn't work with this shirt".

So now I'm back to thinking that the DD40 YG will be way more adaptable."

I'm a mess...but it's a good mess.

Here's a quick pick of the "ugly" PCL from my TT sub (and the purple shirt for that matter...)

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