Offered by the Authorised Dealer

[GB-man]

Hopefully you broke out in laughter and tears. That's hilarious.

[Hairdude1]

Wow, no way, walk away

[KarlS]

PP price increase for UK will be August. They are awaiting the revised pricing schedules with the quantum increase which is unknown.

[rebel_1]

I wouldn't buy a Hublot under any circumstance.

[josephvman]

Using extortion to fight extortion? Sounds like a brilliant plan.

Originally Posted by AK797

I would do this and threaten to name and shame on all watch forums, review sites, Thai's Yelp etc. Never appease a bully, I probably wouldn't buy from them even if they did, but I'd still cause them as much aggravation as possible.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by josephvman

Using extortion to fight extortion? Sounds like a brilliant plan.

Not extortion, blackmail which in this case is totally normal, if they at least said that they keep the 5711 for good clients but making him buy a Hublot as a condition is outrageous...

[unknown]

`try to get the phone conversation on an email

Ask them via email which Hublot they wanted you to buy if they would sell you the Patek
Tell them you don't know Hublot that well so you want to be sure to get the correct reference number

If they put this bullshit on an email .... go to the shop and buy only the 5712
If they don't agree .... tell 'm you will forward the email directly to Patek Switzerland

And let's see what Patek says if their clients are forced to buy a Hublot

[Tony64]

For some strange reason I just had a image of a jigsaw trap from one of the old "Saw" movies:

"How far would you be willing to go? Would you --- buy --- a ---- Hublot?
Patek or not, you decide."

[ap1]

crazy talk - I like the hublot as swag idea

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by unknown

`try to get the phone conversation on an email

Ask them via email which Hublot they wanted you to buy if they would sell you the Patek
Tell them you don't know Hublot that well so you want to be sure to get the correct reference number

If they put this bullshit on an email .... go to the shop and buy only the 5712
If they don't agree .... tell 'm you will forward the email directly to Patek Switzerland

And let's see what Patek says if their clients are forced to buy a Hublot

that's exactly how I would roll. Put their nose in it.

[ispep]

Please do not purchase from this AD. Their business practice is absolutely abhorrent.

[josephvman]

You're not the last guy who ever wants to buy a 5712, and they're not the only place that sells them. You don't have to deal with this AD if you don't want to. Some of these suggestions are really disappointing and not what I would expect from Patek owners. It's just business, and if you don't like the terms then move on. Blackmail the dealer? Really?

[enjoythemusic]

Call Patek in Switzerland and let them know what the dealer is doing. Anything you have in writing / e-mail is a plus.

[martinr]

It might be a stretch but I think this is a QC problem for Patek. For them to be considered the best and for people's expectations to be met Patek has to control their distribution. An AD like this should have the Patek line taken away and not quietly either. They need to do something beyond an apology if they want their customers to trust them.

[de66]

Ridiculous

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by martinr

It might be a stretch but I think this is a QC problem for Patek. For them to be considered the best and for people's expectations to be met Patek has to control their distribution. An AD like this should have the Patek line taken away and not quietly either. They need to do something beyond an apology if they want their customers to trust them.

I actually agree! In fact I wrote to PP pointing out service deficiencies in their Dubai AD's in that they knew nothing about the brand as they actually were filling in from the Rolex shops....never heard a thing!!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Tony64

For some strange reason I just had a image of a jigsaw trap from one of the old "Saw" movies:

"How far would you be willing to go? Would you --- buy --- a ---- Hublot?
Patek or not, you decide."

Excellent

Originally Posted by josephvman

You're not the last guy who ever wants to buy a 5712, and they're not the only place that sells them. You don't have to deal with this AD if you don't want to. Some of these suggestions are really disappointing and not what I would expect from Patek owners. It's just business, and if you don't like the terms then move on. Blackmail the dealer? Really?

Well you must be a New Testament type, some of us here are old testament, eye for an eye more than just walk away or hand your other cheek, to each his own, I'm very honest but hate when people aren't, so yeah if an AD wants to muscle me into this BS I would "blackmail" them into asking if they're sure they want PP to know about their practices, I would expect the AD to quickly forget about the Hublot, it's just what they tried to do to you so...

As was said this AD should loose his Patek licence IMO, maybe I'm wrong but I think PP would approve...

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by josephvman

You're not the last guy who ever wants to buy a 5712, and they're not the only place that sells them. You don't have to deal with this AD if you don't want to. Some of these suggestions are really disappointing and not what I would expect from Patek owners. It's just business, and if you don't like the terms then move on. Blackmail the dealer? Really?

Unfortunately this shows a fundamental lack of understanding on how PP prices it's models on a global basis and the criteria through which dealers need to operate. We not selling a swatch!! Lots of posts on this if you like to use "search"!! Cheers

[jon_jon]

This has become an interesting thread, especially since there are members from all around the world contributing to this discussion. The fact is that local sales practices vary significantly around the world.

In the Rolex section, there are plenty of people saying Rolex ADs in Asia can and do sell in-demand watches for higher than MSRP (manufacturer "suggested" retail price) whereas in the US, people would consider this "illegal".

I have visited many Patek ADs in Asia and I can say they are quite different from US ADs, which are quite different from European ADs and so on. Although Patek sells globally, they still have to work with the local ADs, who are used to a certain way of doing business. Patek can certainly strong arm and AD into doing business one way, but in the long run, it has to a business partnership between the watch manufacturer and the local ADs.

I am not in any way condoning the sales tactic of the AD here. But I am trying to withhold judgement as I do not have a firm understanding of the business culture in the location OP mentioned.

[AK797]

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[AK797]

Originally Posted by josephvman

Using extortion to fight extortion? Sounds like a brilliant plan.

It's not extortion, it is exposition and merely revealing the truth and protesting their unscrupulous policies, which is half of the point of having this forum.

[Socal to az]

Originally Posted by martinr

It might be a stretch but I think this is a QC problem for Patek. For them to be considered the best and for people's expectations to be met Patek has to control their distribution. An AD like this should have the Patek line taken away and not quietly either. They need to do something beyond an apology if they want their customers to trust them.

This.

[josephvman]

Technically it's blackmail if the threat of exposition is used to leverage the position, which in this case to get the Patek without also taking the Hublot.

Is it an unscrupulous policy if the AD tells the buyer that the piece isn't available, even if he has a safe full of them, presumably that he would sell at MSRP to longtime clients? This AD has at least been up-front about the game, like it or not.

It really comes down to market price v. MSRP, and the only thing that determines market price is buyers.

Originally Posted by AK797

It's not extortion, it is exposition and merely revealing the truth and protesting their unscrupulous policies, which is half of the point of having this forum.

[Finkalot]

Originally Posted by josephvman

You're not the last guy who ever wants to buy a 5712, and they're not the only place that sells them. You don't have to deal with this AD if you don't want to. Some of these suggestions are really disappointing and not what I would expect from Patek owners. It's just business, and if you don't like the terms then move on. Blackmail the dealer? Really?

As the saying goes... Evil prevails when good men do nothing about it.

Obviously, I don't think the AD is evil - just unscrupulous. Also, I don't think the OP should resort to extortion. However, he should report them to Patek as a minimum.


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[AK797]

Originally Posted by josephvman

This AD has at least been up-front about the game, like it or not.

It really comes down to market price v. MSRP, and the only thing that determines market price is buyers.

Yeah and at my father's old school the boys had to thank their master after each caning. You gonna bake them a cake as well?

[lapince]

Originally Posted by AK797

Yeah and at my father's old school the boys had to thank their master after each caning. You gonna bake them a cake as well?

Excellent my friend

[Finkalot]

To the OP... You have a PM from me on how to get a double sealed 5712 from an AD in Singapore.

All the best!

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Finkalot

To the OP... You have a PM from me on how to get a double sealed 5712 from an AD in Singapore.

All the best!

That's great news, it helps to be on TRF, thanks to a member I am getting 1 PP I would have never been able to get in France through an AD, and the other which I could have gotten, but both at great prices, 10% off on one, and 11.5% on the other, ok in that 8% is swiss VAT which I won't pay, if I wasn't on TRF I would have had to get it through grey dealers for more than MRSP, or very close to it.
At the same time before going on TRF I didn't think I would ever put more than 10K in a watch...