Is the Batman losing popularity? Why does it seem like that?

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yea, agreed. You didn’t see the DSSD or any other modern Rolex makeover have its name changed from going from a 11 series to a 12 series. The DSSD even got a new case, bracelet, and movement and strangely enough it’s name wasn’t changed.

Most dealers or video reviews call the new 126710BLNR the “Batman” or “New Batman”. The same players keep pushing the female name change over and over, I am assuming because they know others don’t care for it?? It’s childish regardless the intent or implementation and oddly enough they tend to be newbies by their forum stats so there may be some other motives at play...?

As to popularity and pricing.......The initial $20k snipers are gone. Look at DavidSW and other forum trusted sellers to see what the current market is yielding. These guys don’t discount much at all so the prices are black and white what they are actually selling for OTD. The turn over of new watches is selling as I watch them be replaced almost semi daily at the same price point. If you see DavidSW selling a new 126710BLNR for $13.5k then the prices have come down but that doesn’t seem to be the case. There is a lot of attempts of social media to imply prices are coming down but that hasn’t done anything.

Today the 126710BLNR is at a rise to $15.9 at report of the Rolex price increase. The market value was $15.3-$15.5 months ago.

Look closer theres a few now for $14k and some at $13750 bnib from trusted seller. Davidsw prices are inflated a little since he has brick and mortar store. And at $14k still doesnt sold quick and still keep bumping. And the price is going down not rising


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[scurfa]

Originally Posted by shawn13ca

People reflecting a little on the product in itself may find that:

- Majority of people don't need the GMT complication.

- Apart from Daytona, Milgauss, AK... All sport Rolex look the same. So why pay double for a colored ring of ceramic most don't need?

- Many ADs laughed at watch connoisseurs because they just sold to "whales" while the market was hot. So connoisseurs got fed up with Rolex and went elsewhere. Look at the rise of Grand Seiko in the 2 past years. Even Joe Rogan wears one in UFC galas.

- Now that the Asian market is crashing and that recession is looming most people are careful about spending on luxury items.

- If said recession happens it will become impossible to sell other than a discount, flippers know this and they are withdrawing from the market, so crooked ADs who sold only to whales and flippers are now double screwed, because all their customer base is gone.

- Its only gonna get way worse. If recession happens and situation keeps deteriorating in Asia, soon you'll see discounts back even on Daytona.

Bang on I’ve completely last interest in Rolex after 29 years fuck em here is my latest buy



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[locutus49]

This is a richly insightful analysis. I think there is a streak of wishful thinking among those who claim prices of popular SS models are plummeting. There are people who become personally identified with grey prices and watch and comment on any minor price fluctuation as if their life depends on it. Oh well, supply and demand rule the roost. For better or worse.

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yea, agreed. You didn’t see the DSSD or any other modern Rolex makeover have its name changed from going from a 11 series to a 12 series. The DSSD even got a new case, bracelet, and movement and strangely enough it’s name wasn’t changed.

Most dealers or video reviews call the new 126710BLNR the “Batman” or “New Batman”. The same players keep pushing the female name change over and over, I am assuming because they know others don’t care for it?? It’s childish regardless the intent or implementation and oddly enough they tend to be newbies by their forum stats so there may be some other motives at play...?

As to popularity and pricing.......The initial $20k snipers are gone. Look at DavidSW and other forum trusted sellers to see what the current market is yielding. These guys don’t discount much at all so the prices are black and white what they are actually selling for OTD. The turn over of new watches is selling as I watch them be replaced almost semi daily at the same price point. If you see DavidSW selling a new 126710BLNR for $13.5k then the prices have come down but that doesn’t seem to be the case. There is a lot of attempts of social media to imply prices are coming down but that hasn’t done anything other than get people’s hopes up and then just more frustrated when they don’t see it happen.

Today the 126710BLNR is up to $15.9 at the report of the Rolex price increase. The market value was $15.3-$15.5 months ago. In my experience the new model 126710BLNR has probably stabilized by now to what it’s going to be.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by locutus49

This is a richly insightful analysis. I think there is a streak of wishful thinking among those who claim prices of popular SS models are plummeting. There are people who become personally identified with grey prices and watch and comment on any minor price fluctuation as if their life depends on it. Oh well, supply and demand rule the roost. For better or worse.

Thank you. Experience over the years has given me a more relaxed and less frantic over view of what is going on.
With all the hyper analysis of reading the tea leaves there are a lot of wild assumptions made with limited data. I cant blame a lot of our new forum members trying to find sense in lack of inventory because without actual watches at the AD’s, there isn’t much else to do but over speculate.

It’s really a terrible time in history for new Rolex enthusiast to join the WIS hobby. The commodity brokers have poisoned the priorities and enjoyment of what owning and being a Rolex enthusiast is all about. I would love to show what this forum was like just 5 years ago and what it was like to research and purchase a Rolex. No pressure or frantic feelings of FOMO. Trusted sellers sold new models below msrp. The consumer had total control of every aspect of the purchase.

[Dlong]

Most of the people that were sportin raging wood got their watches. After a while the fever dies down. I know myself, if I get the call for the Pepsi I may just bail. May just go Omega or Zenith at less cost. I couldn’t care less about future value. I’ll be dead. Plus, it’s just a matter of time when these watches will be discounted again.

Circa 1980’s “you’ll never see mortgages below 5% ever again!”

The one thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.

[Swilder916]

Oh what’s that on the ground? It’s a microphone... this guy just dropped it!

Well said.

(Full disclosure I just bought a BLNR from my local AD)

Originally Posted by Dlong

Most of the people that were sportin raging wood got their watches. After a while the fever dies down. I know myself, if I get the call for the Pepsi I may just bail. May just go Omega or Zenith at less cost. I couldn’t care less about future value. I’ll be dead. Plus, it’s just a matter of time when these watches will be discounted again.

Circa 1980’s “you’ll never see mortgages below 5% ever again!”

The one thing we learn from history is that we never learn from history.

[Nikrnic]

Not to beat a dead horse on nicknames again but the batgiirl monicker didnt start here on TRF but was sure picked up quickly. Its name also stuck from the start worldwide and at this point were just going have to live with it doesn't bother me either way yet I do find myself using it and others for a quicker differentiation than spelling out model numbers.

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[PepsiBezel]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

Not to beat a dead horse on nicknames again but the batgiirl monicker didnt start here on TRF but was sure picked up quickly. Its name also stuck from the start worldwide and at this point were just going have to live with it doesn't bother me either way yet I do find myself using it and others for a quicker differentiation than spelling out model numbers.

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I wonder if the forums got as worked up about nicknames when the 16760 was released?

[peterpl]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Today the 126710BLNR is up to $15.9 at the report of the Rolex price increase. The market value was $15.3-$15.5 months ago. In my experience the new model 126710BLNR has probably stabilized by now to what it’s going to be.

Whos buying a new BLNR for $15.9k? They are no way selling at those prices.

You can pick these up private for $12.5-$13k and a gray dealer will offer you at least 10% less than that and that's IF they want more in their inventory.

BLROs are softening as well. They were listing them for high 17s/low 18s a few months back. Now there are many of them in the mid 16s - even on Chrono24 there is a bunch in the 16s and this place is overflated prices.

A serious seller would sell these for mid 15s.

[jerseydan31]

I remember when right after Baselworld they went for past $22K

[D.P.G.]

I was fortunate enough to get a Batgirl from an AD after only a 3 week wait and find the Jubilee bracelet much more comfortable then the oyster bracelet on my Submariner. Also it's not a shiny as a oyster bracelet with polished center links. I think it's the perfect combination. I agree Batgirl is a foolish name but since this watch is perfect I can put up with it.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by peterpl

Whos buying a new BLNR for $15.9k? They are no way selling at those prices.

You can pick these up private for $12.5-$13k and a gray dealer will offer you at least 10% less than that and that's IF they want more in their inventory.

BLROs are softening as well. They were listing them for high 17s/low 18s a few months back. Now there are many of them in the mid 16s - even on Chrono24 there is a bunch in the 16s and this place is overflated prices.

A serious seller would sell these for mid 15s.

They sell every week for mid $15k from all our trusted sellers for months now. They are not sitting around gathering dust as most roll over in less than a weeks time. I buy from all of these sellers and I know that their prices are pretty firm within maybe $100.

DavidSW is as "serious as as seller" you are going to find.
David doesnt discount or "haggle" at $15,975.00.

https://davidsw.com/watches/rolex-wa...-master-ii-21/

Tony:
https://www.sdwatches.com/product/ro...-batman-nib-3/

Takua:
https://www.takuyawatches.com/produc...-complete-set/



Show me a new 126710BLNR for $13K???
Every profesional trusted seller has them mid $15k and up. Preowned is $1k less at $14.5k.

[djyolky]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Look closer theres a few now for $14k and some at $13750 bnib from trusted seller. Davidsw prices are inflated a little since he has brick and mortar store. And at $14k still doesnt sold quick and still keep bumping. And the price is going down not rising


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I'll say it again... "that's a bingo!" prices for bnib are coming down overall the models actually.

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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

DavidSW is as "serious as as seller" you are going to find.

David doesnt discount or "haggle" at $15,975.00.

https://davidsw.com/watches/rolex-wa...-master-ii-21/



Tony:

https://www.sdwatches.com/product/ro...-batman-nib-3/







Show me a new 126710BLNR for $13K???

Every profesional trusted seller has them mid $15k and up. Preowned is $1k less at $14.5k.

Here. He sells here to but mostly on ig. 13750 bnib and the 14k has stickers.

Yesterday someone posted here for 13k bnib but with a scratch on the side of the case. He posted 2 days ago for 13250 but no taker so he posted it again for 13k and its gone

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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by peterpl

Whos buying a new BLNR for $15.9k? They are no way selling at those prices.

You can pick these up private for $12.5-$13k and a gray dealer will offer you at least 10% less than that and that's IF they want more in their inventory.

BLROs are softening as well. They were listing them for high 17s/low 18s a few months back. Now there are many of them in the mid 16s - even on Chrono24 there is a bunch in the 16s and this place is overflated prices.

A serious seller would sell these for mid 15s.

He keep sourcing davidsw like hes god of prices. Fortunately its a free market. Most trusted sellers now are on $14k flat and some even less. Why would you even buy a blnr for 15k plus if theres one for 14k or less. You gotta be stupid to buy one for 15k. And now its holiday and most of the people here expect the price will rise and yet it has come down a little but not rising like they predicted.


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Here. He sells here to but mostly on ig. 13750 bnib and the 14k has stickers.

Yesterday someone posted here for 13k bnib but with a scratch on the side of the case. He posted 2 days ago for 13250 but no taker so he posted it again for 13k and its gone

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Where is this advertised at?
A scratched Rolex isnt a new watch. Are these full boxed sets with valid warranty cards? I find these are the cases with the low ball offers. That makes a huge price difference if its not a complete box set with cards.
There is always going to be watches sold "with a story" for below market value but that is not what or where the market is at.
Multiple trusted sellers with good reputations is what sets the market. There are 6 I know of and would recommend and all their prices have been right with each other.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

A scratched Rolex isnt a new watch. There is always going to be watches sold "with a story" for below market value but that is not what or where the market is at.

Multiple trusted sellers with good reputations is what sets the market. There are 6 I know of and would recommend and all their prices have been right with each other.

Thats why he sold it for 13k due to the scratch. It was bad handling by the ad according to the seller. But anyway blnr right now is at 14k or less and thos pictures i showed you are no damage and its bnib for 14k and less and has stickers


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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Where is this advertised at?
A scratched Rolex isnt a new watch. There is always going to be watches sold "with a story" for below market value but that is not what or where the market is at.
Multiple trusted sellers with good reputations is what sets the market. There are 6 I know of and would recommend and all their prices have been right with each other.

Hes on IG. I got this on his story on ig 1-2 weeks ago. Hes still have it for 14k with stickers


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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Where is this advertised at?
A scratched Rolex isnt a new watch. Are these full boxed sets with valid warranty cards? I find these are the cases with the low ball offers.
There is always going to be watches sold "with a story" for below market value but that is not what or where the market is at.
Multiple trusted sellers with good reputations is what sets the market. There are 6 I know of and would recommend and all their prices have been right with each other.

Heres another evidence that its $14k with stickers


He just posted it today.
Why bother paying $15k plus if theres one for 14k
Hes a member here but doesnt post much on trf sales corner. Hes more active in ig.


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[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Hes on IG. I got this on his story on ig 1-2 weeks ago. Hes still have it for 14k with stickers


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Are they full boxed sets with filled in warranty cards? He should have advertised if the were "full box sets". Thats deal breaker for most if it isnt.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Are they full boxed sets with filled in warranty cards?

Yes. Complete all box and papers. He has website too you can check the whole package. He has oyster blnr for 11500 thats has no box and papers just watch. He will tell you if its a watch only.


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[Danny83]

They will be very hot until the AD has 2 or 3 in the case haha

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Are they full boxed sets with filled in warranty cards? He should have advertised if the were "full box sets". Thats deal breaker for most if it isnt.

Heres the same watch. Used to be $14500 but he lowered it down since no taker at that price.
It says box and papers.




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[Danny83]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Heres another evidence that its $14k with stickers


He just posted it today.
Why bother paying $15k plus if theres one for 14k
Hes a member here but doesnt post much on trf sales corner. Hes more active in ig.


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Anthony is a great guy I can vouch for him

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Yes. Complete all box and papers. He has website too you can check the whole package. He has oyster blnr for 11500 thats has no box and papers just watch. He will tell you if its a watch only.


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This is the Flea market dude from Texas. He sells a lot on Ebay right? He is between $14k and $14.5.

[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

This is the Flea market dude from Texas. He sells a lot on Ebay right?

Who cares if hes a flea market seller. As long as he sells legit watch thats all that matters. He wont last long in this online business if he scams people.

Sir that 14.5 was 2-3 weeks ago. He lowered it now.

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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by Mystro

This is the Flea market dude from Texas. He sells a lot on Ebay right? He is between $14k and $14.5.

Want more? Heres another one at $14k just recently posted here.

Box and papers the whole nine yards.
Btw he keeps posting it for a few days now and no takers.


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[kiki9999]

Originally Posted by Commonproject

Because people are realizing it's not worth it to pay 50% over retail for a mass produced model and the market is being flooded with them

Exactly. Hope this makes me getting my BLNR easier!

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[djyolky]

Originally Posted by eijiboy

Thats why he sold it for 13k due to the scratch. It was bad handling by the ad according to the seller. But anyway blnr right now is at 14k or less and thos pictures i showed you are no damage and its bnib for 14k and less and has stickers


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You're spot on. I know that listing you are speaking of. I have been following BLNR for a bit now because that's what I want. Waiting for my sales associate to pull through but I'm still following secondary markets. But yes, I have seen bnib blnr for 14k now. Maybe even 13,875. Prices are dropping. Bnib subs as well have been coming down...significantly.

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[eijiboy]

Originally Posted by djyolky

You're spot on. I know that listing you are speaking of. I have been following BLNR for a bit now because that's what I want. Waiting for my sales associate to pull through but I'm still following secondary markets. But yes, I have seen bnib blnr for 14k now. Maybe even 13,875. Prices are dropping. Bnib subs as well have been coming down...significantly.

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Me too. Looking for blnr but decided to just watch the price trend on the secondary market. Blnr os here to stay for the next 5-8 years so the prices will go down eventually. Subs ss ln will be more affected by the price increase since the difference on secondary market now close to each other and that will make a lot of flippers to shy away and people who really want one will be able to get it at msrp.


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