Is TUDOR a poor mans watch?

[Mjack1]

Originally Posted by Connoissieur

I’ve called rolex ad snd they sayed that waiting list is 3 years. Is it good option to get tudor pelagos instead of sport rolex?

It can never be seen as a poor man’s watch, a poor man might not want to spend money on watches.

[Brian Page]

Originally Posted by Connoissieur

I’ve called rolex ad snd they sayed that waiting list is 3 years. Is it good option to get tudor pelagos instead of sport rolex?

in a word - no

[michaelodonnell123]

Originally Posted by gmtln

So don't feed yourself.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

My problem with Tudor is the watch itself and the useless warranty. I bought a new Tudor GMT and the date wheel never worked right. Rolex tried to fix it three times under warranty and they were unsuccessful (the date wheel was still stuck between dates). I spoke to my AD and told him my warranty is running out and it is still not working right and he said "Once the warranty is out then you have to pay out of pocket. That is how warranties work."



I asked for a refund because he sold me a defective watch that can't be fixed while under warranty. He said that's never going to happen because I already used the watch and its been sent in for warranty work three times. I then reminded him that the watch has been in Rolex's possession far longer than on my wrist. He shrugged his shoulders and said "so what".



That is when I realized the Rolex "new watch" warranty is of no value if they can't fix it and won't refund it.

You should correspond with RSC personally and make sure it goes back before the warranty expires. Do not trust your AD. Don't take no for an answer. Your situation is not typical.

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[nachopc]

Originally Posted by padi56

Is Tudor a poor mans watch most definitely not the Tudor line go back to the 1920s then mainly sold in Canada and Europe, Rolex or Tudor watches were not sold then in the USA,it was very much later the the Rolex brand arrived for sale in the USA.Hans Wilsdorf from the RWC first opened Tudor watch to world wide production in 1946. And one of the main reasons why he chose the brand name Tudor, was that he wanted to pay tribute to the Tudor history period of old England.



The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement,Tudor watches are made by Rolex. The major difference between a Tudor and a Rolex is that Rolex contracted the manufacturing of the movement out to a 3rd party manufacturer (ETA in 95% of them) but now some modern day Tudors do have a in-house made movement. Much like Rolex did with there chrongraphs before 2000 they used ETA Valjoux and Zenith movements. The ETA ebauche movements were made to Rolex's specifications and signed Tudor. This movement was then sent to Rolex where it was assembled into a watch with all Rolex remaining parts (Rolex case, bezel, strap or bracelet,dial, crystal and crown, seals, etc.). These parts are the same parts used in the Rolex line of watches up till around 1990. The older Tudor movements were high grade 17, 21, 25, or 26 jewel Automatic or Manual chronometer grade movements which when correctly cleaned, timed, and oiled, will keep time almost as well as any normal Rolex.Tudor now have many new models with many now with in-house made movements,and in many ways released more real new models than Rolex



The case screw backs were engraved original oyster case by Rolex,on all the oyster models.In the gold or TT models Tudor uses genuine solid gold Rolex bezels and crown caps, but their bracelets are normally only gold filled,to reduce the cost while Rolex uses solid gold in their bracelets.The French Navy (among others) opted for the Tudor Submariner,instead of the Rolex Sub,the French Navy demanded rigorous testing and tested several brands These watches were tested to carefully calibrated abusive tests in an attempt to destroy them to see how much abuse it could take before losing accuracy or malfunctioning .After testing they choose the Tudor and the only thing the French navy didn't order was the Oyster bracelet.They chose a nylon strap because it would be much more easy to change,and easily replaced if broken.And today the only step down in quality with Tudor watches in general is the price.The the main difference between a Rolex Sub and say a Tudor Sub is they used a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement but not Rolex made,and in watches like the Tudor Prince they used a light Oyster bracelet, on Subs they used the heavy Oyster bracelet.Now today the Tudor line has quite a long high heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.



In today's market quite a few vintage Tudor watches command higher prices than there Rolex brothers same could be said for Rolex, many of the most collectable Rolex don't have a Rolex made movement but ones from ETA Valjoux and Zenith .The Tudor line are still made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex,Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history and are great watches in there own right.

It’s always nice to read your posts and learn from your encyclopaedic Rolex wisdom.


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[Spence4]

Originally Posted by michaelodonnell123

My problem with Tudor is the watch itself and the useless warranty. I bought a new Tudor GMT and the date wheel never worked right. Rolex tried to fix it three times under warranty and they were unsuccessful (the date wheel was still stuck between dates). I spoke to my AD and told him my warranty is running out and it is still not working right and he said "Once the warranty is out then you have to pay out of pocket. That is how warranties work."

I asked for a refund because he sold me a defective watch that can't be fixed while under warranty. He said that's never going to happen because I already used the watch and its been sent in for warranty work three times. I then reminded him that the watch has been in Rolex's possession far longer than on my wrist. He shrugged his shoulders and said "so what".

That is when I realized the Rolex "new watch" warranty is of no value if they can't fix it and won't refund it.

Sounds like your AD is kind of a jag. I certainly wouldn’t give them anymore business and would work directly with RSC as others have suggested. I am spoiled because I live next door to Rolex HQ, but I don’t know why one would use their AD as a middle man when seeking service for a watch.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by ANDEEZY

Nice!

Originally Posted by SudiYunus

Thank you, gentlemen.

[tudorbaja27]

Originally Posted by Jfullm42

This has probably already been said, but anyone who has $500+ liquid funds to spend on a watch imo is not poor. Equate that to a Tudor that is 4x that minimum....

Many of us live in a bubble, but stop and take a look at the world we live in right now, many people if they don't get their next paycheck will go further into debt because they don't have any savings. If you have any watch over $500 and some money in the bank consider yourself blessed.

Tudor is a great brand and builds a great watch, nothing to scoff at

Give this man a prize!

[DoctorA]

Originally Posted by padi56

Is Tudor a poor mans watch most definitely not the Tudor line go back to the 1920s then mainly sold in Canada and Europe, Rolex or Tudor watches were not sold then in the USA,it was very much later the the Rolex brand arrived for sale in the USA.Hans Wilsdorf from the RWC first opened Tudor watch to world wide production in 1946. And one of the main reasons why he chose the brand name Tudor, was that he wanted to pay tribute to the Tudor history period of old England.

The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement,Tudor watches are made by Rolex. The major difference between a Tudor and a Rolex is that Rolex contracted the manufacturing of the movement out to a 3rd party manufacturer (ETA in 95% of them) but now some modern day Tudors do have a in-house made movement. Much like Rolex did with there chrongraphs before 2000 they used ETA Valjoux and Zenith movements. The ETA ebauche movements were made to Rolex's specifications and signed Tudor. This movement was then sent to Rolex where it was assembled into a watch with all Rolex remaining parts (Rolex case, bezel, strap or bracelet,dial, crystal and crown, seals, etc.). These parts are the same parts used in the Rolex line of watches up till around 1990. The older Tudor movements were high grade 17, 21, 25, or 26 jewel Automatic or Manual chronometer grade movements which when correctly cleaned, timed, and oiled, will keep time almost as well as any normal Rolex.Tudor now have many new models with many now with in-house made movements,and in many ways released more real new models than Rolex

The case screw backs were engraved original oyster case by Rolex,on all the oyster models.In the gold or TT models Tudor uses genuine solid gold Rolex bezels and crown caps, but their bracelets are normally only gold filled,to reduce the cost while Rolex uses solid gold in their bracelets.The French Navy (among others) opted for the Tudor Submariner,instead of the Rolex Sub,the French Navy demanded rigorous testing and tested several brands These watches were tested to carefully calibrated abusive tests in an attempt to destroy them to see how much abuse it could take before losing accuracy or malfunctioning .After testing they choose the Tudor and the only thing the French navy didn't order was the Oyster bracelet.They chose a nylon strap because it would be much more easy to change,and easily replaced if broken.And today the only step down in quality with Tudor watches in general is the price.The the main difference between a Rolex Sub and say a Tudor Sub is they used a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement but not Rolex made,and in watches like the Tudor Prince they used a light Oyster bracelet, on Subs they used the heavy Oyster bracelet.Now today the Tudor line has quite a long high heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.

In today's market quite a few vintage Tudor watches command higher prices than there Rolex brothers same could be said for Rolex, many of the most collectable Rolex don't have a Rolex made movement but ones from ETA Valjoux and Zenith .The Tudor line are still made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex,Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history and are great watches in there own right.

Wow!! Thank you for the history and for taking the time to educate us!! I love your posts, as I learn a ton from them!!

[Dan Pierce]

How out of touch could one be to think a multi thousand dollar watch is a poor man's anything?
dP

[nyyankees]

Honestly I think the question is one if arrogance and really doesn’t even deserve an answer.


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[myc ritz]

Only if you wear one big guy.

[Onikage]

I feel for the poor souls stuck with a GMT that won't work. I was very tempted. Could be me. Definitely not a cost conscious person's endeavour it seems. :(

[Ny325]

Not sure what a poor mans watch is. Tudor makes some really nice timepieces. I actually like the matte red and blue they use on the Black Bay GMT. I just wish it was <40mm.

[Ny325]

Originally Posted by chinaski

Bill Gates wears a Casio, he's not poor.

Great point.

[Ny325]

Originally Posted by Jfullm42

This has probably already been said, but anyone who has $500+ liquid funds to spend on a watch imo is not poor. Equate that to a Tudor that is 4x that minimum....

Many of us live in a bubble, but stop and take a look at the world we live in right now, many people if they don't get their next paycheck will go further into debt because they don't have any savings. If you have any watch over $500 and some money in the bank consider yourself blessed.

Tudor is a great brand and builds a great watch, nothing to scoff at

Yes sir, well said. God bless us all.

[calebb90]

Yes it is. If I were you I’d stick to Hublot.


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[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by vintagewatch

Before Rolex had Tudor Watches in 1934 Rolex marketed Unicorn and Rolco watches as the moderately priced alternative. From a 1934 Catalog
"To meet the demand for accurate time-keepers at moderate prices we have produced the Unicorn and Rolco levers"
I've never seen Tudor promoted as a moderately priced alternative to Rolex.

Just for the record...

[JohnGingerwood]

Hell no. Damn fine brand.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by padi56

Is Tudor a poor mans watch most definitely not the Tudor line go back to the 1920s then mainly sold in Canada and Europe, Rolex or Tudor watches were not sold then in the USA,it was very much later the the Rolex brand arrived for sale in the USA.Hans Wilsdorf from the RWC first opened Tudor watch to world wide production in 1946. And one of the main reasons why he chose the brand name Tudor, was that he wanted to pay tribute to the Tudor history period of old England.

The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement,Tudor watches are made by Rolex. The major difference between a Tudor and a Rolex is that Rolex contracted the manufacturing of the movement out to a 3rd party manufacturer (ETA in 95% of them) but now some modern day Tudors do have a in-house made movement. Much like Rolex did with there chrongraphs before 2000 they used ETA Valjoux and Zenith movements. The ETA ebauche movements were made to Rolex's specifications and signed Tudor. This movement was then sent to Rolex where it was assembled into a watch with all Rolex remaining parts (Rolex case, bezel, strap or bracelet,dial, crystal and crown, seals, etc.). These parts are the same parts used in the Rolex line of watches up till around 1990. The older Tudor movements were high grade 17, 21, 25, or 26 jewel Automatic or Manual chronometer grade movements which when correctly cleaned, timed, and oiled, will keep time almost as well as any normal Rolex.Tudor now have many new models with many now with in-house made movements,and in many ways released more real new models than Rolex

The case screw backs were engraved original oyster case by Rolex,on all the oyster models.In the gold or TT models Tudor uses genuine solid gold Rolex bezels and crown caps, but their bracelets are normally only gold filled,to reduce the cost while Rolex uses solid gold in their bracelets.The French Navy (among others) opted for the Tudor Submariner,instead of the Rolex Sub,the French Navy demanded rigorous testing and tested several brands These watches were tested to carefully calibrated abusive tests in an attempt to destroy them to see how much abuse it could take before losing accuracy or malfunctioning .After testing they choose the Tudor and the only thing the French navy didn't order was the Oyster bracelet.They chose a nylon strap because it would be much more easy to change,and easily replaced if broken.And today the only step down in quality with Tudor watches in general is the price.The the main difference between a Rolex Sub and say a Tudor Sub is they used a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement but not Rolex made,and in watches like the Tudor Prince they used a light Oyster bracelet, on Subs they used the heavy Oyster bracelet.Now today the Tudor line has quite a long high heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.

In today's market quite a few vintage Tudor watches command higher prices than there Rolex brothers same could be said for Rolex, many of the most collectable Rolex don't have a Rolex made movement but ones from ETA Valjoux and Zenith .The Tudor line are still made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex,Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history and are great watches in there own right.

Really great information Peter, thank you

Posts like these are one of the reasons I joined TRF, so much to learn from our great membership

[subprimero]

Whether you own a Rolex or a Tudor you are a very fortunate person.

[aczaja10]

Originally Posted by padi56

Is Tudor a poor mans watch most definitely not the Tudor line go back to the 1920s then mainly sold in Canada and Europe, Rolex or Tudor watches were not sold then in the USA,it was very much later the the Rolex brand arrived for sale in the USA.Hans Wilsdorf from the RWC first opened Tudor watch to world wide production in 1946. And one of the main reasons why he chose the brand name Tudor, was that he wanted to pay tribute to the Tudor history period of old England.

The Tudor line prior to around 1990 was all Rolex except for movement,Tudor watches are made by Rolex. The major difference between a Tudor and a Rolex is that Rolex contracted the manufacturing of the movement out to a 3rd party manufacturer (ETA in 95% of them) but now some modern day Tudors do have a in-house made movement. Much like Rolex did with there chrongraphs before 2000 they used ETA Valjoux and Zenith movements. The ETA ebauche movements were made to Rolex's specifications and signed Tudor. This movement was then sent to Rolex where it was assembled into a watch with all Rolex remaining parts (Rolex case, bezel, strap or bracelet,dial, crystal and crown, seals, etc.). These parts are the same parts used in the Rolex line of watches up till around 1990. The older Tudor movements were high grade 17, 21, 25, or 26 jewel Automatic or Manual chronometer grade movements which when correctly cleaned, timed, and oiled, will keep time almost as well as any normal Rolex.Tudor now have many new models with many now with in-house made movements,and in many ways released more real new models than Rolex

The case screw backs were engraved original oyster case by Rolex,on all the oyster models.In the gold or TT models Tudor uses genuine solid gold Rolex bezels and crown caps, but their bracelets are normally only gold filled,to reduce the cost while Rolex uses solid gold in their bracelets.The French Navy (among others) opted for the Tudor Submariner,instead of the Rolex Sub,the French Navy demanded rigorous testing and tested several brands These watches were tested to carefully calibrated abusive tests in an attempt to destroy them to see how much abuse it could take before losing accuracy or malfunctioning .After testing they choose the Tudor and the only thing the French navy didn't order was the Oyster bracelet.They chose a nylon strap because it would be much more easy to change,and easily replaced if broken.And today the only step down in quality with Tudor watches in general is the price.The the main difference between a Rolex Sub and say a Tudor Sub is they used a top range Chronometer grade ETA a first class all in-house built movement but not Rolex made,and in watches like the Tudor Prince they used a light Oyster bracelet, on Subs they used the heavy Oyster bracelet.Now today the Tudor line has quite a long high heritage with Hans Wilsdorf the founder of Rolex.

In today's market quite a few vintage Tudor watches command higher prices than there Rolex brothers same could be said for Rolex, many of the most collectable Rolex don't have a Rolex made movement but ones from ETA Valjoux and Zenith .The Tudor line are still made in the same now highly automated factory as Rolex,Tudor are still a very important part of the Rolex history and are great watches in there own right.

This is an exceptional post and spot on.

[CKizzy]

Originally Posted by Connoissieur

I’ve called rolex ad snd they sayed that waiting list is 3 years. Is it good option to get tudor pelagos instead of sport rolex?

Go Gray!

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Ny325

Great point.

Thanks, it's actually a decent looking watch too.

[Singslinger]

Originally Posted by raclaims

Many consider Tudor, Rolex's cooler little brother.

I like them but I can understand the stigma from the non WIS world

Sad but true.

I've often heard the OP's question asked by many of my non-WIS friends.

[Maxy]

Originally Posted by Connoissieur

I’ve called rolex ad snd they sayed that waiting list is 3 years. Is it good option to get tudor pelagos instead of sport rolex?

You didn't say.. is Tudor poor man's rolex but instead is Tudor poor man's watch?? Hell no.. its still a luxury watch!

I would say a poor man's watch is Timex or Seiko!

[Dr.Brian]

A poor mans watch is an old $20 timex.
It’s also a rich man’s watch. A rich man that doesn’t waste money on a fancy watch.
I think you’ll be OK with the Tudor, though it’s better to wait and/or save for the watch you really want. I’m in the market for a watch right now, but it’s discontinued for more than a decade, isn’t a high volume seller like a Sub, etc. and I want one that was pretty much rarely worn. It will take a while, maybe a couple years, but I’ll wait, and get exactly what I want. And likely for a modest premium. It will be worth it.

[HappyHooligan]

poor man's rolex is a seiko. tudors are what rolex prices were 15 years ago.

[Texex]

Different (sub) company, different product, different image. Tudor does things Rolex never would. Tudor is the fun little brother to Rolex's buttoned up image. I love Rolex but Tudor us more fun. There is room for both in my collection.

[boogiebot]

Any watch that costs thousands of dollars is not a poor mans watch.


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