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13 June 2020, 03:37 AM | #61 |
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I have a DJ41. It is a beautiful piece of work, but there is something off about it. The bezel I think is still too wide and the lug to lug too long for the type of watch. The lug width is also larger than most other sport models Rolex produce. Just weird. Seeing as the real size is 39.5mm, why they didn’t just make the case the same as the OP39 I do not know. The OP39 just has better proportions wit( the slimmer domed bezel etc. |
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13 June 2020, 06:51 AM | #63 |
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11.7mm in thickness and 47.6mm from lug-to-lug is the DJ41, whereas the OP39 is 11.4mm in thickness, and 47.3mm from lug-to-lug.
The Daytona is 12.2 in thickness and 47mm lug-to-lug. I don't see any significant difference between any of them. The Daytona is the thickest. Wrists are different with some flatter etc. than others with same circumference so I get it might not be the best option(s). I think Rolex changed the size between the lugs on the DJ41 so the Datejust II owners won't be able to use the Jubilee bracelet. Just a thought, since the bulkier Datejust II only came on Oyster, IIRC. |
13 June 2020, 07:18 AM | #64 |
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I am very appreciative for everyone's enthusiastic posts - they are all very helpful.
I'm still working through all of this, wondering why I'm not content to just be happy with the Black Bay 58. I guess the happy memories of buying hers and his matching TT DJs nearly 40 years ago are hard to forget. I realize that part of what I'm fighting is trying to recreate the experience that those watches provided - clearly that was a different time, and I'm grateful that I've able to enjoy seeing my wife enjoy her watch for all these years. Truth be told, I also remember that back in the day in the financial industry having a Rolex on my wrist sent a subtle, but clear, message that I was "part of the club". Yes, that's a pretty shallow memory, but Rolex has spent vast sums on advertising to achieve exactly that response. I'd like to say that it doesn't matter anymore, but apparently some part of me still thinks that it does. So my quest for a Rolex seems related to those times, and the DJ 36 was "the watch" back then, and why I lean to it again today. Having said that, the BB58 is really a fine watch - well built, exceptionally accurate, and with both the bracelet and fabric strap it covers a lot of ground. So I keep posting and getting more information/feedback from all of your generous replies. To confuse matters further, I've recently found a watch for sale through a private seller on a well known site, offering a "new/unworn" 2017 DJ 36 on an oyster bracelet and fluted bezel. It's a white dial with markers, and small Roman numerals on top of the markers. They don't make that dial any longer - it's hard to know what it's like in person, but it's not offensive in pictures. Still, I prefer the clean markers without any adornment. He asking price is nearly $3K less than a new 36mm DJ comparably equipped with a similar bracelet, but with a different dial face. That appeals to me, but I'm wondering if it's worth getting a brand new model if I decide to go with the DJ. As I continue to wrestle myself into knots, your kind help has saved me thousands on psychiatric counseling. Thanks to all, and help me come to a final decision so my wife doesn't have to endure my indecision any longer. "Are you on that forum AGAIN?! What's wrong with you!" A very good question. |
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Basically, if you like it I think you will enjoy it. However, if the tiny Roman numerals bother you now, they will always bother you - pass and be patient. I agree with you...you’ve got an excellent watch in the BB58 to hold you over during the hunt. |
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Hello Again -
Well, I contacted the seller again and it turns out that the dial isn't white - it's silver. That's a bit different from what I had in mind, and adds to the confusion. OS's post above gives some perspective on the color. I asked my wife what she thought. Her reply was interesting: "If you want a watch get what you want, and ONLY what you want. I Love the Jubilee bracelet - it's comfortable and has held up for almost 40 years. Why are you settling for an Oyster? Do you remember when we bought our watches? The jeweler showed us all the options, and said that the Steel/Gold DateJust with the Jubilee bracelet and Fluted bezel 'Is what Rolex is all about. It's versatile, wonderful to look at, and will last a lifetime'. You agreed with him then, why are you changing your mind now? If it's the money, that's a pretty stupid thing to worry about. If you don't get what you want and save some money, you'll never be happy. If spending that much money bothers you, keep what you have and be done with it." She's got a way of getting to the heart of the matter. I told you marrying her was the best decision I ever made, and now you know why. |
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Nope, you’re absolutely correct with your sentiments and I know the dimensions down to the mm in the other watches. But, there is still something off about the DJ41. I agree with what you’re saying - the actual ‘real estate’ on the wrist won’t be much difference at all, but it’s what goes on within that space that makes the difference visually. The actual ‘styling’ of the OP and the Daytona, just work. The DJ41 has a bezel that’s too wide - it’s like a void because typically a watch of that size would be a diver or such and have a working bezel. Also, you have to take in to account the larger dial itself which makes it looks bigger than the Daytona. For example, the DJ36, which has perfect dimensions, has the same dial size as a Sub/GMT etc... The Daytona is also a 38.5mm case, and when you put all of these little things together, whilst slight, it just makes the difference visually. The DJ is not a ‘dress’ watch. It’s just a classic model they produce. But that shouldn’t be larger, or on par with the size of the Subs case, which the DJ41 practically is, not to mention a wider lug width. |
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OP, sir, all the posts written and to be written won't spare you the trip to the nearest AD or grey to find out which size it's gonna be, I think. I can't imagine any brick-and-mortar seller (in the world) without at least one specimen of the DJ36 and DJ41 in stock. Try both sizes and you'll know.
For the dial I don't think you'll have to see them all in person. Just don't settle for "not offensive in pictures" - I nearly choked on that one. Your wife is totally right, I think: Don't settle at all. Cheers Marc |
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my watches are between 39 and 43mm but for a dj it looks best at 36mm.
this is the one I would like... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I go for 36.
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BTW, although the seller’s watch is actually silver, I’m pretty sure there are versions of the DJ 36 from that generation with white dial/sticks (and tiny Roman numerals), fluted bezel, and jubilee. The white dials are clearly white compared to the silver versions; if the white dial was available at the time, I would have been very tempted to go with it over the silver.
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I owned two DJ 36 that I recently sold. They looked small on my wrists. I am now going to add the DJ 41. I have a 7.5 in wrist. I guess size depends on whether you like the look of 36 on your wrist or prefer larger.
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100% 36 if your wrist can handle it. Otherwise 41 is also amazing.
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Absolutely. Don’t get me wrong, I own a DJ41 so obviously I love it, but my perception is similar to some, and different to others. No right or wrong - just personal choice. |
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Thanks to all for the help. After several visits to various dealers to see as many variations as I could, I've decided that I like the clean white dial of the OP39, and asked to be put on the wait list. Yes, the 39OP has a wait list too.
Thanks for everyone's help, as well as your patience with my many posts. |
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The op39 is incredibly nice. But yeah my dj36. Objectively the best watch I own
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I have a 7 1/2 inch wrist, and my 36mm DateJust looks great. It’s a nice classic, subtle watch.
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I am a regular at a diner near me and the Owner wears a two tone 18k/SS 36mm Datejust with Jubilee bracelet, fluted bezel, and champagne dial and every time I see it I can't stop staring at that watch. It is beyond stunning especially when viewed indoors under fluorescent or LED lighting.
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The DJ41 is 39.5mm so it should be your sweet spot. I have one. Imo it wears small. Way smaller then a SkyD that I tried on. Especially with the jubilee. I would get rhodium sticks on jubilee and fluted and call it a day. It will go with everything and the legibility is fine. I have a sd43 on a 7.25 to 7.5 inch wrist and even think it wears slightly small and it’s a 43mm watch. So we have the same wrist size. As a one and done the SD43 is incredible if you don’t mind the added weight and height. I’m guessing you won’t since the SkyD is a beast as well. Pics for reference. DJ41 is the black stick. The 2 tone is aDJ36. The white face is my wife’s old DJ31. Since we have the same wrist size here are some pics for reference. Remember the DJ41 is actually 39.5mm. The dj36 is just too small for today’s standards for a 7 inch plus watch. Yes I know I need to add links but it just wears too small. For some that’s ok but even Rolex considers the dj36 a unisex watch as a lot of ladies buy it now. The Wimbledon dial is beautiful. I was offered that by my AD but went rhodium diamond dial at the time. Hope these help you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Just to add the older dj36 on jubilee if you can find one that’s not too old will have the hidden clasp. It looks nicer but there will be no micro adjustments. As a person who bought your Rolex to be part of the club I feel the DJ41 will feel much more special to you. I haven’t worn my DJ36 in over 5 years easy. For a one and done get a submariner or DJ41. You can thank me later. Lol don’t settle for a OP or a DJ36 because you want to save a few bucks. By the time your grandkids graduate high school any Rolex will be worth more then what you paid for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Rolex consider ‘certain’ 36mm models as women’s due to the dial design, nothing more. 34mm is the mid-size version and anything under is published as ‘ladies’. 39.5 is correct, but it’s a large watch, simple as that, especially for its style. With the design that it has, it was never intended for this size - it’s only produced in this size to facilitate a trend in larger watches that even Rolex would have been silly not to have been involved with. The DJ is not a dress watch, but is from the Rolex ‘classic’ line. It’s a watch that has no sport function like a rotating bezel so the larger bezel is redundant because there’s nothing else to do with that space. It is practically the same size as the sports models; Sub, GMT etc. Even has a wider lug width than most of the other Rolex pieces, which is bizarre. It’s a little like having a two seater sports car that ends up being as large as a 4x4. If you have a more slender wrist, then you go for the smaller size. A larger wrist, and perhaps you’ll want the larger option. I don’t know that anyone would go with a size that looks too large on their wrist, merely to tick the box that says ‘men only’ size (although since frequenting TRF I see otherwise). Surely, you get what looks more in proportion to your wrist. Let’s face it, women wear Daytona’s, Seadwellers, and, dare I say it, DJ41’s. Ironically, women wear larger pieces better than most men. Reason? Because they wear them like bangles, an accessory on their wrist, so when it’s quite clearly far too big for them, it still looks good, because of ‘the way’ they wear them. Men don’t (or shouldn’t) wear watches like bangles, and they wear them fitted, so it looks off, proportionally, when a man is wearing a watch that is clearly too big for their wrist. I suspect over time that gender-specific watches will decline as from a production and marketing standpoint, it’s less profitable. The 36 is just a classic, timeless size. But that’s not to say that you shouldn’t go with a DJ41 if your wrist permits. I own one myself. To the OP, congrats on choosing an OP. I hope it turns up soon for you. I will say, though, that it wears similarly to the DJ41. Rolex has these long lugs that they insist on adding to the classic pieces, so it ends up with a ‘length’ that is a hair larger than the DJ41 despite being a 39mm. |
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I have a DJ36 and a DJ41 on a 7.25-7.5 inch wrist. The DJ36 might be classic but in no way would I wear it over my DJ41. As you can see in pics with my wrist size the DJ41 clearly looks better and not too big. The DJ36 on the other hand looks way too small. I only say this because the OP and I have similar wrist sizes. If I had a 6 inch wrist I would go with the DJ41. I’m not going to force myself to wear a DJ36 because some people think it’s a classic size. Rolex make bigger watches for those who have bigger wrist. I personally think the DJ41 is a great daily piece and the DJ36 works better as a under cuff and dressier piece. If the OP decided on the OP congratulations. Wear in good health. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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No, no, I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m sure your DJ41 looks fine and of course, you’ll wear whichever you prefer. My DJ41 looks great on my wrist which is approx 6.75, but luckily, very flat. You’re actually saying the same thing I was saying in a different way - you’re clearly not going to wear the 36 if the 41 looks or suits you better. The point I was making was the same can be said for those with smaller wrists with the 36mm being the better option. Whilst I appreciate your angle was based on the OP having the same wrist size, hence your advice, it’s not that simple. Two 7” wrists can look entirely different as one may be more round, giving a different look than a flatter wrist, although I understand the general theory you were making there. As a side, I’ve only ever seen one person post a photo on this forum where the DJ41 looks like it was meant for his wrist. |
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Thanks to everyone for the help. I managed to visit an AD with several DJ models to compare. After trying several watches I was surprised to find that I actually liked the OP better. I liked the clean dial, and I'm now on the wait list for a 39OP white dial.
Your comments and suggestions were most helpful - thank you. |
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36 looks way better on most wrists, even on the pics above. The dial space is too much on the 41
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