Rolex for JLC Trade Thoughts

[asiparks]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

My IWC is a 3717....modified Valjoux 7750. Great watch that was my main daily wear for a long time. Most legible Chronograph I've ever seen. Very reliable and extremely well made case and band.

My JLC I believe is from 1999 or right around then. I would not compare this piece to a Patek....just looking at the rotor movement, finish etc. it's not in the same league. Nor is it any where near the same price range.

There's a very good reason Rolex is where it is in terms of the food chain of being recognized by people who don't know much about watches and being in demand by people who do. If I was going to own one watch it would be a Rolex Submariner....not a Patek Nautilus (I have both). And that would be no matter who was paying for it. The IWC is also an excellent choice for a watch that you could rely on day in and day out and get great performance and use out of while beating the crap out of it. Something to be said for that IMO.

I have the same 3717, it is a classic.
My point was that you were basing your opinion of JLC on a 20+ year old, modified Eta example and your experience might not be so relevant to an in-house manufacture Reverso..

[Birch]

I was offered a trade for my Milgauss GV for a Master Compressor Extreme Geographic with cash back.

Any thoughts?

[AlbionJackal]

I actually think that there's too much of a difference between those watches to compare... they're not even close in terms of aesthetics or uses.

So if, as I surmise, you're just talking about value... the Milgauss is and always will be more valuable.

Personally, however, any other Milgauss than the white one and I would trade it in a heartbeat for a Reverso...

...but that white dial with an orange strap is pretty alluring, if you ask me.

[omar-rye]

Reverso > Milgauss. Just not this Reverso

[amphr1]

JLC is really up and coming with Dr Strange prominently advertising.

I think the Reverso is iconic but I've decided it's not for me. I was just thinking, and searching, whether the dress watch is dead.

Those ultra thin is so sexy right now tho. Also the new Polaris perpetual calendar. Not to mention the Master Control triple calendar chronograph! But all those are not the investment grade purchases of a Rolex., meaning it'll loose 40% of its value as soon as it's sold like a new car. So it's hard to justify.

Anyway I'm rambling.

[EvelynWaugh]

Sorry to go tangent here but Im on waitlist for the green reverso as my 1st, and likely the only JLC to add to my collection and would love to hear everyone's thoughts on it.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ja...en-introducing

[Adam84]

Originally Posted by amphora001

JLC is really up and coming with Dr Strange prominently advertising.

I think the Reverso is iconic but I've decided it's not for me. I was just thinking, and searching, whether the dress watch is dead.

Those ultra thin is so sexy right now tho. Also the new Polaris perpetual calendar. Not to mention the Master Control triple calendar chronograph! But all those are not the investment grade purchases of a Rolex., meaning it'll loose 40% of its value as soon as it's sold like a new car. So it's hard to justify.

Anyway I'm rambling.

I get where your coming from but price is only important if you want to sell. Id say a 40% hit (or get it pre owned so someone else has already taken that hit) is a good price to pay for the enjoyment youll get out of wearing a JLC.

At the end of the day watches are there to entertain us, enjoy them....

[Adam84]

Originally Posted by EvelynWaugh

Sorry to go tangent here but Im on waitlist for the green reverso as my 1st, and likely the only JLC to add to my collection and would love to hear everyone's thoughts on it.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ja...en-introducing

Gorgeous watch. I prefered the bordeux dial from a few years back but these tribute models are some of the nicest reversos ever made.

[Adam84]

Originally Posted by amphora001

JLC is really up and coming with Dr Strange prominently advertising.

I think the Reverso is iconic but I've decided it's not for me. I was just thinking, and searching, whether the dress watch is dead.

Those ultra thin is so sexy right now tho. Also the new Polaris perpetual calendar. Not to mention the Master Control triple calendar chronograph! But all those are not the investment grade purchases of a Rolex., meaning it'll loose 40% of its value as soon as it's sold like a new car. So it's hard to justify.

Anyway I'm rambling.

Not just Dr Strange but also Kingsman.....the ultra thin made for that movie is utter p0rn. So much horology for the price point of a JLC these days, and the cases are now at the level of their movements...there was a time 10-15 years ago where they were too big and bulky, now they are just really classy.

[airchitect]

Noooop.


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[TswaneNguni]

Most here have never owned a JLC ,what will they know ?

[Michael1968]

I would do this.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by robinmgb

Trading for a JLC is a definite trade up not down.
I would go for a different model personally but horology wise JLC are a step up, they don’t hold value like a Rolex and that seems to be why many people think Rolex are better watches!

I’d agree. JLC is known as The Watchmakers Watchmaker for a reason. Pure class and high horology. For me, I’m not a fan of the Milgauss so I’d do that trade easily.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by EvelynWaugh

Sorry to go tangent here but Im on waitlist for the green reverso as my 1st, and likely the only JLC to add to my collection and would love to hear everyone's thoughts on it.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ja...en-introducing

Pure class and an excellent piece. Hope it arrives soon.

If it’s said a true collector must have owned a Speedmaster Moonwatch, then I think it’s also true about a JLC Reverso. Maybe the first watch designed for sport.

[EvelynWaugh]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

Pure class and an excellent piece. Hope it arrives soon.

If it’s said a true collector must have owned a Speedmaster Moonwatch, then I think it’s also true about a JLC Reverso. Maybe the first watch designed for sport.

yes i'm very excited! In the next month or two I should be getting the call from JLC. I'll wear it to my Rolex AD at times to show diversity and my appreciation for watch collecting.

[SS Oyster]

Keep that white dial MG. Far better abd more versatile watch.


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[amphr1]

Originally Posted by Adam84

I get where your coming from but price is only important if you want to sell. Id say a 40% hit (or get it pre owned so someone else has already taken that hit) is a good price to pay for the enjoyment youll get out of wearing a JLC.

At the end of the day watches are there to entertain us, enjoy them....

So that's the other part, the enjoyment, in terms of wearing it. And this is my point about whether dress watch is dead or not. JLCs are getting more sporty, but they are definitely still very much a dress watch. And I haven't been to a wedding or funeral is 2 years. It just doesn't seem like I'll actually wear it very much in public. I mean I'll wear it at home, like I do with my TT Explorer, but I don't feel I'll get the full experience. I almost feel like for dress watch, manufacturers should have a subscription program where I can borrow one whenever I want, but never own one. Like if I get one of the ultra thin calendars, that's like what $20k? I'm going to need to insure that. And then it starts to feel silly. It's probably different for an executive or someone that often make office presentations or something.

[Lamontsanders]

No thank you but I am not a reverso guy. Keep the Milgauss.

[Adam84]

Originally Posted by amphora001

So that's the other part, the enjoyment, in terms of wearing it. And this is my point about whether dress watch is dead or not. JLCs are getting more sporty, but they are definitely still very much a dress watch. And I haven't been to a wedding or funeral is 2 years. It just doesn't seem like I'll actually wear it very much in public. I mean I'll wear it at home, like I do with my TT Explorer, but I don't feel I'll get the full experience. I almost feel like for dress watch, manufacturers should have a subscription program where I can borrow one whenever I want, but never own one. Like if I get one of the ultra thin calendars, that's like what $20k? I'm going to need to insure that. And then it starts to feel silly. It's probably different for an executive or someone that often make office presentations or something.

I suppose it depends how you wear your watches. i wear my dressier pieces just as much as others. tbh i dont see the standard reverso classic as dressy, especially with the casa fagliano strap, its just a nice dress down, casual watch that works well in most situations. It gives off a completely different vibe to the same watch on a gator strap.

[AJMarcus]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

ETA movements? What in the world is this guy talking about.

[Nico81]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

ETA movements? What in the world is this guy talking about.

I had to read that one twice as well haha


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[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Golfbone

As an owner of both JLC and Rolex watches I would say that anyone who thinks JLC is an upgrade over Rolex probably has limited experience owning both. IMO Rolex is a more reliable, better made, more substantial watch and it has an in house movement while many JLC are modified Eta. Rolex is where they are for a reason. Keep your Milgauss.

If you do the trouble to type,dont type rubbish .

Jaeger leCoultre has ETA movements .Really ???

Maybe they don't forget to oil their movement and the second hand pinion does not wear out ,like on a 3235 ? Yet,to be confirmed if there was any change from 2018 up to now.
How about the date change issue on the Tudor GMT .Sorted out ?

JLC," The Watchmakers Watch " ,but hey ,what do they know ??

[faimag]

I am not crazy for the MG, and I love the Reverso; but maybe I would go for a more interesting model (duo, calendar, moon?). I know people think it's a "dress" watch but it goes well with everything, from suits to jeans.

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by fwhawk

I may have an opportunity to trade my 2009 Rolex Milgauss white dial for a 2011 JLC Grande Reverso GMT in stainless steel (Rference 240.8.18). Both watches have box and papers. I would be interested in thoughts on such a trade. Thanks.

I would not do this. Keep your Rolex IMO. I own JLC and think they are way overrated. Not that reliable, a PITA to fix and for all the fuss about "finishing" etc. to me the movement through the glass back looks like nothing special. Rotor movement isn't as glassy and smooth as Patek/Vacheron by a long shot. JLC makes a pretty watch but IMO it's not as well made as people give it credit for. I prefer Rolex for robust reliability, resale, ease of repair, recognizability and all the R's I haven't mentioned.

[Rolex tom]

JLC is far from a trade down, its a trade up. That is if you want a piece from a watchmaker that is still largely finishes Mvts by hand even down to the base model 822 movement where the perlage on the mvt is still done by a person. Not to mention JLC is a manufacture that produces some of the most complicated pieces in horology. Comparing all Richemont brands to each other is plain silly. Lange and Sonne and Baume et Mercier are far from comparable but yet they are still part of Richemont.

It depends if you are real horology person or not and whether the technical aspects of watchmaking really interests you. If not stick with the MG as its appreciation is better than a JLC. It is also important to remember that the JLC in question is a complicated dress watch and the MG is a basic tool watch so id think about what your uses are before making the trade.

[TswaneNguni]

Wow,this is a helluva ETA movement !!

[TswaneNguni]

[cglondon]

Originally Posted by Master_Grogu

Never trade down. The reverso is a downgrade.

Think about it this way, you have in your hands a watch made by an independent Genevois matchmaker. Do you want to trade it against a product made by a brand owned by a luxury group ? Yes yes I know the foundation blablabla, well let me tell you something.

I went to JLC boutique and asked them for a model, which they didn’t have. However they offered to call me should it arrive so I can try it. I give them my info and specifically DON’T cross the “yes send me emails about products” box. I don’t want the spam.

What do I get two weeks after? Spam. From JLC. Against GDPR, they went ahead and used my email for sending me ads while I never agreed to it. Oh and also they never called me for the watch despite me seeing it every day in their vitrine when I walk in front of it.

Yes yes JLC so great such good watches blablabla. Well I must disagree here. The watches are good but priced way above what they are worth. Don’t bother, stay with your much more interesting MG.

The Reverso is a downgrade?

Your opinion is clearly based on your experience with the SA. JLC is far superior in Horology terms than Rolex. I’m pretty sure that’s well known in this crazy hobby of ours.

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[Donkos]

Two very different watches

[Golfbone]

Originally Posted by Nico81

I had to read that one twice as well haha


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In the past JLC has used movements from Tavannes, Valjoux (owned by ETA), and Universal Geneve (Geneve 285). In particular the Valjoux 72 and 7750 ETA were used extensively.

haha