2022 Edition - Sub or Sub with Date?

[Nairn1980]

Wow, some enthusiastic replies here lol.

I am fortunate to own more than one submariner, and have both date and no date variations within this.

In black, there is just something extra charming about the no date sub. Just that little nod back to the original. The symmetry, the clean look, the no dust gathering cyclops. The fact it’s extra easy to set and go etc.

Either way they’re all amazing, but I do agree the no date just has that added bit of magic.

- here’s a thing…. Imagine they re-released the hulk, but in NO DATE format…. That would break the internet.

[mg18]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

Seems like I hit a nerve here!

Your response really is chock full of assumptions.

The date is a compromise, always has been. The no date is uncompromising.


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Hey, I’m truly glad you were able to save 1k on your purchase and enjoy it more than the date reference. This is definitely a win win. However, I really believe you can enjoy your watch just as well without having to generalize the many enthusiasts out there who prefer the sub with a date, and that was basically the point of my response.

Your comment about the sub date being for sheep is a huge generalization and a disrespectful one to spew out on a forum full of enthusiasts. You seem to believe you fit in a camp of true enthusiasts just because you own a no date, which is a sheepish mentality to say the least.

I appreciate your opinion on which reference is the one to own, and I can accept your reasons for holding that opinion. In fact, in my response, I agreed with your point on the aesthetics and I also do agree on the fact that it is closer to the original design. However I don’t appreciate you going a step further and belittling the iconic sub date and saying it is a watch for sheep. Your post would have had much more merit without that ridiculous comment and without any of the disrespect that comes with saying such nonsense.

It would be nicer if the discussion about the pros and cons about the sub with or without the date could be done objectively and without generalizing their owners into groups/classifications, which is actually what the majority of your post was, which I thought was great. Does that not seem like a better approach? I mean, one can easily generalize non date owners as those who want to simply appear as though they are enthusiasts when really they just wanted a modern sub but also to be able to say they are edgier and different.

[OG1982]

No date, because watches look better without a cyclops….

Oh yeah, and no true Rolex aficionado would be seen dead with a Sub date





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[mquarter]

No date, 2-line.

[OrwellianNightmare]

I'm down for both at my AD. I'll probably go for whichever is offered first. I think I'd prefer the Sub Date because I own the 124270 Explorer, which doesn't have one. But, I love the symmetry of the Sub. But, this is all futile, it's not like they'll ever call me.

[Rolexforthewin]

Why settle for one when you can have both.


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[SaintMickey]

Originally Posted by Rolexforthewin

Why settle for one when you can have both.


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Because I'd only wear the good one...the SubDate. I would own a Submariner but if I also owned a SubDate I'd never wear it so what's the point.

[TopDog2315]

No date Sub for me.


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[spoilsofwar01]

Originally Posted by Gerry62

Sub Date

(I choose the no date only on vintage 5513)

5513

[mg18]

Originally Posted by Ollie1982

No date, because watches look better without a cyclops….

Oh yeah, and no true Rolex aficionado would be seen dead with a Sub date





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I think you might be joking about your comment about Rolex aficionados and the sub date comment, but I will respond anyway. This isn't really a fair way to put it. I know I have responded to this already in the thread, but I never really gave my view on why the sub date deserves some respect from enthusiasts.

The sub is undoubtedly the icon and the truest representation of the original. No debate. However, Rolex knew that in order to take the brand to the next level, they needed to appeal to more people, this is just simple brand survival/growth. The sub went from a straight tool/adventure watch to a watch that people could daily and use in a much more practical way with the addition of the date in the late 60s and until the date (and even watches in general) were unnecessary for their purpose.

I think, based on that alone, the sub date is, in large part, responsible for the state of modern day sport watches accompanying us at work, at the gym, and basically, everywhere! Had Rolex never introduced the date in the late 60s, I believe that the sub would not have gone on to be quite as iconic as it is today, or maybe even sport watches in general, by virtue of the fact that having a date function through the 70s-90s was incredibly valuable from a practical standpoint.

So, while I agree the sub is the closest to the original DNA and deserves all the respect it gets, I believe the sub date deserve a large amount of respect and credit for taking the sub, and sport watches in general, to the next level. It was a practical and purposeful addition to the line that paved the way for future watch trends.

Based on the above though, and in response to your comment about what a true aficionado wouldn't be caught dead wearing, it would probably be a BLNR, if anything. If the argument about being truest to the original form of a reference is the only way any true aficionado should make their watch wearing decisions, then the BLRO is the only choice for a current production GMT. I know the colours are not exact, but it is undeniably much closer to the original reference than the BLNR. Unless the whole "purist" debate only applies to subs for some reason!

Anyway, I am enjoying the discussions on this thread and I truly hope your comment was in jest. I really do love the BLNR and the sub, both excellent watches!

[alphadweller]

As much as I like the symmetry of the Sub, I really prefer the presence of the date, not only because it's useful to me but also because it looks kind of empty without it. I have a no date diver and I miss the date when I wear it.

[MJZRolex]

My first was a no date. My 2022 purchase will have the date.

[DoctorSpazz]

Submariner.

If you want a date, get it on another model or a TT version of the submariner.


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[Gerry62]

Originally Posted by spoilsofwar01

5513

5513!! Stunning ! Congrats

[IR201]

I've always struggled with this but have resolved it by saying the no date is only available in the steel black, and all the colored steel and gold subs have the date. So there is only one option in the range for no date. Take the dates on all the rest, take the no date on the black. Of course that's if you go for more than one.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Rolexforthewin

Why settle for one when you can have both.


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Perfect!


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[Krash]

I was once passionately in favor of the Submariner over the Submariner date. When it comes to the black dial Sub, I suppose I still am.

However, when I get my Bluesy, I’m not going to be upset with having a date on it.


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[IR201]

Originally Posted by Krash

I was once passionately in favor of the Submariner over the Submariner date. When it comes to the black dial Sub, I suppose I still am.

However, when I get my Bluesy, I’m not going to be upset with having a date on it.


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I’m with you


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[XZACM102]

I guess it depends on the state of the collection, when I bought my first Sub it was date as I considered cyclops to be iconic Rolex design feature but after adding GMT, Explorer 2 and SD43 No date Sub will be next. I appreciate now more the classic design as in in the end there is only one Submariner.

[Prestige_Swiss]

Sub date as I use the date more than the actual time keeping function lol

[wuyeah]

For Submariner, no date for me. It is the original initial concept of this piece. Generally I prefer no date watches too.

[Skaramanga]

124060 the queen !


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[Rolex-istanbul]

you have a clicking bezel use it for date function. Its a function bezel use it for any function you can think of and save your money to next rolex

[gmt1]

i guess i’m in the minority since i prefer the sub date. i can appreciate the symmetry of the no date, but the date window and cyclops seem to give the submariner just enough “busyness” on its dial.


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[HogwldFLTR]

Bluesy!

[arcampado]

Such strong opinions on here! As others have said it’s really just a matter of personal preference. I have a Hulk and a Bluesy with date complication so for me I personally prefer the clean aesthetic of the no date dial for this one

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by mg18

I think you might be joking about your comment about Rolex aficionados and the sub date comment, but I will respond anyway. This isn't really a fair way to put it. I know I have responded to this already in the thread, but I never really gave my view on why the sub date deserves some respect from enthusiasts.

The sub is undoubtedly the icon and the truest representation of the original. No debate. However, Rolex knew that in order to take the brand to the next level, they needed to appeal to more people, this is just simple brand survival/growth. The sub went from a straight tool/adventure watch to a watch that people could daily and use in a much more practical way with the addition of the date in the late 60s and until the date (and even watches in general) were unnecessary for their purpose.

I think, based on that alone, the sub date is, in large part, responsible for the state of modern day sport watches accompanying us at work, at the gym, and basically, everywhere! Had Rolex never introduced the date in the late 60s, I believe that the sub would not have gone on to be quite as iconic as it is today, or maybe even sport watches in general, by virtue of the fact that having a date function through the 70s-90s was incredibly valuable from a practical standpoint.

So, while I agree the sub is the closest to the original DNA and deserves all the respect it gets, I believe the sub date deserve a large amount of respect and credit for taking the sub, and sport watches in general, to the next level. It was a practical and purposeful addition to the line that paved the way for future watch trends.

Based on the above though, and in response to your comment about what a true aficionado wouldn't be caught dead wearing, it would probably be a BLNR, if anything. If the argument about being truest to the original form of a reference is the only way any true aficionado should make their watch wearing decisions, then the BLRO is the only choice for a current production GMT. I know the colours are not exact, but it is undeniably much closer to the original reference than the BLNR. Unless the whole "purist" debate only applies to subs for some reason!

Anyway, I am enjoying the discussions on this thread and I truly hope your comment was in jest. I really do love the BLNR and the sub, both excellent watches!

Stand down soldier, I come in peace! I suffer from an awful dryness which takes a while to understand, but mostly always I'm only joking! Everyone has their own reasons to love Rolex and that’s great

Agree with everything you said until you got to the BLNR & BLRO, but it’s OK we're allowed to like our own thing

[mg18]

Originally Posted by Ollie1982

Stand down soldier, I come in peace! I suffer from an awful dryness which takes a while to understand, but mostly always I'm only joking! Everyone has their own reasons to love Rolex and that’s great

Agree with everything you said until you got to the BLNR & BLRO, but it’s OK we're allowed to like our own thing

I figured you were joking, all good! I just used that post to point out what hasn't been said yet in the thread since so much of the purist debate for subs seems to revolve around what was originally released and disregards the importance of future iterations and the impact they had on the watch/industry as a whole.

I don't really hold that view of the BLNR vs BLRO though. I really like both of them. However, I was pointing out that if one is actually only wearing no date subs because they think themselves to be some sort of purist/aficionado and then they also have a BLNR, then I would think that would be hypocritical.

But hey, I'm sure even "TRUE" watch aficionados would argue that you cannot be a watch aficionado with modern rolex! There is always someone who is one step further into the snobbery lol.

Cheers sir, enjoy your lovely watches!

[jgottsman11]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

Seems like I hit a nerve here!

Your response really is chock full of assumptions.

The date is a compromise, always has been. The no date is uncompromising.


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Nonsense. The no-date is compromising in my opinion.

[ap1]

I prefer ND but the date versions come In better variants. I’ve owned a few NDs but they never stuck. I get tired of the all black when smurfs and Kermit’s are around