I was stunned…didn’t know what to say, not exactly fake..but..

[espanol]

Paul, VTCGuy, I believe you may have just been hyper-sensitive in this scenario because you recently took delivery of your grail WG blue submariner.

In reality, without any attachment, this shouldn’t have mattered. Rolex folks tend to take themselves waayyy too seriously, and unfortunately I think this was a case of just that.

Who knows, this guy might be a WIS just like the rest of us! How else could he have sourced a genuine blue Rolex bezel, if you take him at his word.

I honestly can’t blame him. Rolex precious metal watches are overpriced even at MSRP. If his creation makes him happy, and is obviously within this spectrum of affordability, more power to him. The fact that a frankenstein WG Rolex makes you feel off is a strange and foreign reaction to me, and even comes off as a bit pretentious to be totally honest. Who knows what this guy’s situation is to warrant not buying a real *$30-40k* luxury watch! But having read and appreciated your posts over the years, I truly don’t believe that was your intent.

[MrMercedes]

PM = polished Center Links!

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by espanol

Paul, VTCGuy, I believe you may have just been hyper-sensitive in this scenario because you recently took delivery of your grail WG blue submariner.

In reality, without any attachment, this shouldn’t have mattered. Rolex folks tend to take themselves waayyy too seriously, and unfortunately I think this was a case of just that.

Who knows, this guy might be a WIS just like the rest of us! How else could he have sourced a genuine blue Rolex bezel, if you take him at his word.

I honestly can’t blame him. Rolex precious metal watches are overpriced even at MSRP. If his creation makes him happy, and is obviously within this spectrum of affordability, more power to him. The fact that a frankenstein WG Rolex makes you feel off is a strange and foreign reaction to me, and even comes off as a bit pretentious to be totally honest. Who knows what this guy’s situation is to warrant not buying a real *$30-40k* luxury watch! But having read and appreciated your posts over the years, I truly don’t believe that was your intent.

Well put. It’s his watch and he can mod as he desires. I don’t judge anyone if they are a WIS and can not afford a PM, or even a Rolex. I have posted on here about a friend who is in to Invicta watches, and has as much passion for them as I do a Rolex. I respect him as much as a WIS who owns a Platinum Daytona. This guy exclaimed the reason he made this mod was not because he likes the color blue, but he is intentionally trying to “fool” people in to thinking it was a precious metal watch. It is none of my business, but I just feel it’s kind of…wrong.

But heck, that’s just me.

[Letsgodiving]

Seems to defeat the purpose if he 'pretends' to own a WG Sub but 99.99% of the population wouldn't even realize this watch is supposed to be WG and when someone who actually owns one, and couldn't tell the difference, recognizes the watch for what it is, or is supposed to be, he immediately admits it's not WG and that he just likes to pretend it is. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

[1259]

There’s nothing fake about it if they’re original rolex parts and he openly told you it was modded.

[cdm765]

Shortcuts are for losers. Those people don’t win.

[928ktgold]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Of course you are 100% correct. I didn’t explain it very well, don’t know if I can. It is his property. Although I don’t believe in it myself, people have and will be modifying Rolex watches for years. I guess it’s just… Well, I find it different if you put a red second hand on it, or red date wheel, or replacing your black submariner bezel with a green one, then this incidence. I have never run in to a situation where someone was trying to emulate a precious metal Rolex, make it appear it’s a white gold when it’s actually a SS. I mean… i guess that is not a “Fake” but… Well, I don’t know. I find it kind of… Not… genuine.

Maybe he’s not faking it but just likes the color blue

[WatchGuy1966]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Is it considered bad form to mod a Rolex? In my opinion, the owner can change anything he wants to get the look he prefers.



Also, he was up front about it. I see no point to your post.

Kat


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I agree with you so long as the parts are genuine, not aftermarket Frankensteinish. For instance an Oysterflex on a SS model such as GMT or Daytona.

But on the other hand, I see no point to your final comment on seeing no point. That was uncalled for, and antagonistic on purpose.

[KatGirl]

I can see that my comment was a bit harsh. I just felt like the whole situation was “much ado about nothing.” Perhaps my attitude is colored by my many friends who are avid modders, and my own habit of having vintage iconic Seiko models restored to their former glory, with OEM parts. The guy with the blue bezel simply wanted a certain look. There was nothing fake about it. I honestly don’t see why anyone would take issue with his choice. Oh, and I am far from a dummy….

Kat


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[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I can see that my comment was a bit harsh. I just felt like the whole situation was “much ado about nothing.” Perhaps my attitude is colored by my many friends who are avid modders, and my own habit of having vintage iconic Seiko models restored to their former glory, with OEM parts. The guy with the blue bezel simply wanted a certain look. There was nothing fake about it. I honestly don’t see why anyone would take issue with his choice. Oh, and I am far from a dummy….

Kat


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No, you are not a dummy, and although I don’t personally like it (mods) it is none of my business; his watch he can do as he likes. Read back a few posts and you will see it has nothing to do with his liking the color blue, he exclaimed to me his purpose for doing it was so others would believe he was wearing a precious metal (white gold) watch. He was so tickled I actually thought it was a 126619.

THAT is the part I was shocked at. Honestly, if he had said he just really liked a blue bezel and put it on, I would have complimented him on a good looking watch and thought nothing of it. I guess my question is: Why does he have to deceive? A regular SS Sub is an excellent watch.

[StuartG]

Originally Posted by Podmornica

My favorite dialogue so far is:

Sir, that's a nice GMT!
Reply: It's not a GMT, it's a Rolex!

I had that exact conversation with a guy wearing a Milgauss. Now I just keep quiet.

[drrd]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Am with you Mike




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But they’re both steel configs

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Of course you are 100% correct. I didn’t explain it very well, don’t know if I can. It is his property. Although I don’t believe in it myself, people have and will be modifying Rolex watches for years. I guess it’s just… Well, I find it different if you put a red second hand on it, or red date wheel, or replacing your black submariner bezel with a green one, then this incidence. I have never run in to a situation where someone was trying to emulate a precious metal Rolex, make it appear it’s a white gold when it’s actually a SS. I mean… i guess that is not a “Fake” but… Well, I don’t know. I find it kind of… Not… genuine.

Agree.

[Tanalasta]

Wonder if RSC would change it back if he sent it to service 🫢


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[omar10213245]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

In this example he just change a bezel insert, so something easy to convert back (and as said by others not different from swapping inserts or bracelets on a 16710). Am mod friendly, so changing MY watch into whatever I want has always been an option regardless of what others may think.

Think what troubles the OP is the fact the owner of the watch was pretending the watch to be what is was not, which is not my case when modding my watches (or probably the intention when someone, for example, “mods” an original 16710 Coke / Oyster into a 16710 LN / jubilee ). Each to its own.




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fair point, i suppose that intention/motive has a lot to do with it. modding for fun and to give your watch different looks is a far cry from modding to mimick the look of a far more expensive version of the same watch

[WatchGuy1966]

Originally Posted by WatchGuy1966

I agree with you so long as the parts are genuine, not aftermarket Frankensteinish. For instance an Oysterflex on a SS model such as GMT or Daytona.

But on the other hand, I see no point to your final comment on seeing no point. That was uncalled for, and antagonistic on purpose.

Originally Posted by KatGirl

I can see that my comment was a bit harsh. I just felt like the whole situation was “much ado about nothing.” Perhaps my attitude is colored by my many friends who are avid modders, and my own habit of having vintage iconic Seiko models restored to their former glory, with OEM parts. The guy with the blue bezel simply wanted a certain look. There was nothing fake about it. I honestly don’t see why anyone would take issue with his choice. Oh, and I am far from a dummy….

Kat


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Kat, it takes backbone and guts to respond to my response to your response in the manner you just did. Kudos to you.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Modifying something with the intent of fooling others into thinking it's something better/faster/more expensive than it is? Just no.

Possibly fooling themselves more that others.

The number of fake Alpinas I've seen. More fakes than real ones.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by omar10213245

fair point, i suppose that intention/motive has a lot to do with it. modding for fun and to give your watch different looks is a far cry from modding to mimick the look of a far more expensive version of the same watch

Omar! Thank you! Thank you for clearly stating what I have been trying to say this entire thread. Moding to get a look you desire is different than moding to try and present you own a more expensive version of the same watch. It is not that he modded his sub, it was the reason and the goal that threw me.

Omar, I keep fumbling around with words and a smart guy like you states it clearly. If I wasn’t such a Dorklehead I would have said this in the original post

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Omar! Thank you! Thank you for clearly stating what I have been trying to say this entire thread. Moding to get a look you desire is different than moding to try and present you own a more expensive version of the same watch. It is not that he modded his sub, it was the reason and the goal that threw me.

Omar, I keep fumbling around with words and a smart guy like you states it clearly. If I wasn’t such a Dorklehead I would have said this in the original post

What’s it really matter though if “no one notices or cares about your watch” anyways?

This comment was completely facetious FYI.


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[77T]

The Sub LV & LB are the easiest to mimic by just adding a color matching insert or entire bezel.

There are also other models that get the mod treatment. The Platona via dial/insert swap, the rootbeer with dial/insert swap, and many vintage models.

Many times these mods are done with eBay aftermarket parts - that crosses the line if they try to sell it.

The Sub owner that Paul met was transparent at least. He used genuine parts to overcompensate for a lesser and smallish P*%#+.
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lesser and smallish Price

Price…what did you think I meant?


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[CarlOver]

My guess is the guy liked the blue insert. So few people would know about the blue insert. He has some connections if he was able to get Rolex blue insert.

[Cwillis0001]

Christ, maybe his favorite color is blue. This is a total non issue.

[emersm]

[jacksot]

Originally Posted by CarlOver

My guess is the guy liked the blue insert. So few people would know about the blue insert. He has some connections if he was able to get Rolex blue insert.

Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

Christ, maybe his favorite color is blue. This is a total non issue.

This was not the case, the intention was to deceive. That is what makes the situation cringeworthy IMO. Refer to post #70.

This is like rebadging a BMW 320i as an M3 in order to show off.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

Christ, maybe his favorite color is blue. This is a total non issue.

Why don’t you read the thread before making such non issue statement. Here, I’ll save you the time. He explicitly stated he put the blue bezel on to emulate a solid gold watch, deceit is his motive, not an aesthetic appearance.

[Cwillis0001]

Originally Posted by jacksot

This was not the case, the intention was to deceive. That is what makes the situation cringeworthy IMO. Refer to post #70.

This is like rebadging a BMW 320i as an M3 in order to show off.

I guess I'm thinking that he might have been kidding around and it went over the OPs head. His intention was to deceive, then he actually deceived a total stranger, then he promptly admitted the deception? That's about the gist? Unless I'm missing something I'm not really seeing this.

[Cwillis0001]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Why don’t you read the thread before making such non issue statement. Here, I’ll save you the time. He explicitly stated he put the blue bezel on to emulate a solid gold watch, deceit is his motive, not an aesthetic appearance.

Relax champ, I can post whatever I want. Just like you with your nonsensical story. "Stunned.." lol

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

I guess I'm thinking that he might have been kidding around and it went over the OPs head. His intention was to deceive, then he actually deceived a total stranger, then he promptly admitted the deception? That's about the gist? Unless I'm missing something I'm not really seeing this.

As many have suggested I should have checked the bracelet for PCLs, but did not. you may be right, but I really don’t think he was kidding, he seemed so pleased with himself that he was able to deceive a fellow Rolex owner. It was just really strange all around. If you’re right, and I am the victim of a joke on his part, it wasn’t the first time I was fooled and I’m sure won’t be the last

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Cwillis0001

Relax champ, I can post whatever I want. Just like you with your nonsensical story. "Stunned.." lol

Yeah, it was an over-reaction I admit, I just didn’t know how to respond. What do you say? Congratulations? Uhm… Nice fake PM model? I have had lots of great discussions with fellow Rolex owners and always compliment them… but not this time.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Moding to get a look you desire is different than moding to try and present you own a more expensive version of the same watch.

Two questions spring to mind:

Generally speaking, how could you tell the former from the latter?

Why would you care?

A lot of judging going on.