Anyone Excited For Olympics?

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by RichardBartlett

From what I understand, she wasn't born a 'girl' she was assigned as a 'girl' at birth due to certain lack of male attributes. . Because of Algerias strict anti trans laws and her/his likely being killed or jailed That remains the case

However her XY chromosomes suggest she is actually male with as said a lack or certain male appendages. It's a genetic defect outside normal development.
The kicker is she/he still went through puberty but it was male puberty with the testerone levels of a man. Plus she/ has the physical strength of a man and hence the far superior strength.

She/ he has lost fights previously but as someone with a growing 'male' body is increasingly gaining strength and power. She is for all your intense purposes a man and fights as such

The boxing authority denied her/him entry to womens boxing for the good of the competitors and the sport.

The IOC allowed her/him and others btw for the good of diversity to be seen by their peers as 'right on and modern '

That's the problem with certain sections of society, they are more concerned with virtual signalling than the effects of their self absorbed behaviour might have on ordinary decent person.

It's not her/his fault as Algeria is exploiting her/him for their own glory but it will be a pyrrhic victory at best and could cause serious damage to the sport, the opponent and the Olympic games as a result..



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Well said, Richard.

[DVR]

Just to be clear, nobody but one corrupt Russian with close ties to Mr. Putin said this. There is NO evidence she has XY. Do you both have any? Because otherwise it is just wrong to keep repeating the Russian propaganda against the western world and its morals.
Nothing to do with woke (again), but everything with being fair and just.

[RichardBartlett]

Originally Posted by DVR

Just to be clear, nobody but one corrupt Russian with close ties to Mr. Putin said this. There is NO evidence she has XY. Do you both have any? Because otherwise it is just wrong to keep repeating the Russian propaganda against the western world and its morals.
Nothing to do with woke (again), but everything with being fair and just.

The IBA specifically stated they did not fail either of the two in question on Testosterone tests.

From the IBA rules and regulations:

“Men/Male/Boy” means an individual with chromosome XY. For this purpose, the Boxers can be submitted to a random and/or targeted gender test to confirm the above, which will serve for the gender eligibility criteria for the IBA Competitions;

“Women/Female/Girl” means an individual with chromosome XX. For this purpose, the Boxers can be submitted to a random and/or targeted gender test to confirm the above, which will serve for the gender eligibility criteria for the IBA Competitions."

both were tested twice btw. Both failed twice. One accepted the findings, one appealed but withdrew the appeal before final judgement thus making it binding

So both boxers were rejected to box as female.

A finding ratified by the Board of directors :
https://www.iba.sport/about-iba/orga...-of-directors/

Most were there during this timeframe.

Due to the sensitivity of the subject I personally doubt they took the decision lightly, flippantly or without full process and due diligence.

I have already posted the IBA statement letter on the subject.

To just try to dismiss it as 'Russian propaganda' is plain ridiculous , ignorant of the facts and incredibly poorly thought out attempt to smear the IBA. IMHO.

[DVR]

Thanks, the letters are not readable unfortunately.
I have, up until now, never heard of the IBA. I do not follow boxing at all.
Just read it is 'controlled' by the Russians. True? I do not know.

If she, as a girl, has XY she has an unfair advantage for sure. What a mess/pain/suffering it must be being born like this.

[buckeyechemie]

Originally Posted by RichardBartlett

From the IBA rules and regulations:

“Men/Male/Boy” means an individual with chromosome XY. For this purpose, the Boxers can be submitted to a random and/or targeted gender test to confirm the above, which will serve for the gender eligibility criteria for the IBA Competitions;

“Women/Female/Girl” means an individual with chromosome XX. For this purpose, the Boxers can be submitted to a random and/or targeted gender test to confirm the above, which will serve for the gender eligibility criteria for the IBA Competitions."

Exactly this! Any sports association that values free and fair competition needs to copy/paste.

...and if you are born with a Y chromosome and can't compete against top level international opponents, well, neither can I.

No one has a right to participation at the highest levels of competition.

[RichardBartlett]

Originally Posted by DVR

Thanks, the letters are not readable unfortunately.
I have, up until now, never heard of the IBA. I do not follow boxing at all.
Just read it is 'controlled' by the Russians. True? I do not know.

If she, as a girl, has XY she has an unfair advantage for sure. What a mess/pain/suffering it must be being born like this.

I have no beef with the two boxers concerned and sympathy for them. Although tbh more for the Algerian because life would have been extremely difficult in such a hostile country.

Plus they probably genuinely believe they are female (I reserve judgement on the other boxer who l believe is more cynical) but sadly it's not about them . This has far wider implications.

The IOC allowed this to happen because it wanted to be seen as right-on and didn't want the hate that would come their way if they had excluded them.

Their test procedure appears on the lines of "if it looks like a duck" level of sophistication. IE if you have female stamped on your passport that's good enough for us. A cop out

Sadly I fear these two people will end up being sacrificed on the altar of diversity and inclusion and then tossed aside to deal with the fall out alone by those do-gooder virtual signallers when the next big thing comes along.

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[austinp]

Originally Posted by HL65

Simone Biles was amazing!

Incredible. I’m always amazed how some athletes at elite levels are so much better than their competitors.


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[HL65]

Originally Posted by austinp

Incredible. I’m always amazed how some athletes at elite levels are so much better than their competitors.


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Check out the special on her on Netflix. It is only 2 episodes but really good watch. She is truly incredible!

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by DVR

Thanks, the letters are not readable unfortunately.
I have, up until now, never heard of the IBA. I do not follow boxing at all.
Just read it is 'controlled' by the Russians. True? I do not know.

If she, as a girl, has XY she has an unfair advantage for sure. What a mess/pain/suffering it must be being born like this.

"The opinion of 10,000 men is of no value if none of them knows anything about the subject." – Marcus Aurelius

[AzPaul]

Maybe it was the era I grew up in when events scored by judges (diving, gymnastics, boxing . . . ) were overtly political and unfair as a matter of course. As a result, I just stopped watching them. What was the point? I suppose it's better now, less subjective and influenced by outside forces, yet I've never gravitated back to any of these types of events and I doubt I ever will. Give me a race with a starting gun and a tape, every time.

[Moondoggy]

That bloke just belted another girl, what a coward.

[MrGoat]

We are watching them recorded so I don’t know where in the actual timeline we are. The men’s decathlon and women’s triple jump were entertaining and looked like some serious competition.


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[SDGT3]

Giddy up

[brandrea]

How about our 17 year old Canadian swimmer Summer MacIntosh!

3 golds in the pool and one of them (the 200 medley), she had only competed in once before

[77T]

Originally Posted by brandrea

How about our 17 year old Canadian swimmer Summer MacIntosh!

3 golds in the pool and one of them (the 200 medley), she had only competed in once before

She's an amazing talent - takes to the water like a fish.


No, seriously - congrats and many more medals ahead in her career.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 77T

She's an amazing talent - takes to the water like a fish.


No, seriously - congrats and many more medals ahead in her career.


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[77T]

I thought you might like that image.
I think it was right after she scored her 2nd Gold Medal.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by 77T

I thought you might like that image.
I think it was right after she scored her 2nd Gold Medal.


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we don’t usually have a lot to celebrate in terms of the medal count being a “small” country. So we will be thankful for this inspiring athlete.


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[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Are there many 'females' that compete against males in sport?

.....or, put more bluntly, how many 'men', born as 'women' take part in competitive sport against men, I wonder?
Very few, I would suggest, as there is probably no advantage.

'Boxing' and Olympics, need to have a serious conversation, don't they.
Or will that only happen, when a real tragedy occurs, and some po-faced official
will be pushed in front of the press, to say.."lessons have been learned", the day after some 'outgunned' kid is carried on a stretcher from the stadium, her lifeless, unblinking eyes, covered by an Olympic flag no doubt.

[enjoythemusic]

#FloridaMan Noah Lyles beat out Jamaica's Kishane Thompson in a thrilling photo finish to win the gold medal in the 100-meter dash.

Florida Man is the world's FASTEST human on planet Earth.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

#FloridaMan Noah Lyles beat out Jamaica's Kishane Thompson in a thrilling photo finish to win the gold medal in the 100-meter dash.

Florida Man is the world's FASTEST human on planet Earth.

First olympic event (this year) I watched and wow. Insane how close those guys all are. Happy to see Florida man break late and take it. His close at the end is really incredible.

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by GB-man

First olympic event (this year) I watched and wow. Insane how close those guys all are. Happy to see Florida man break late and take it. His close at the end is really incredible.

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

#FloridaMan Noah Lyles beat out Jamaica's Kishane Thompson in a thrilling photo finish to win the gold medal in the 100-meter dash.

Florida Man is the world's FASTEST human on planet Earth.

Who says the Florida Man Games were for nothing!!??


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[Bazil]

I’d never heard of mixed running, teams of men and women competing against each other - well watch 4x400m final, was superb .. my best moment of this olympics ..

[White Collar Boy]

Heard a broadcaster who seemed to know nothing about sprinting call the race: “And they’re off. Down the lanes. Here they come! Fast! But who has won?” Florida Man!

[AzPaul]

The top seven all finished within .09 of each other.

That's pretty crazy.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

That's pretty crazy.

Watching live if it was the Kentucky derby I would have smashed the TV lol insanely tight finish.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by AzPaul

That's pretty crazy.

I wonder what the record time for 100m sprint will be in another, 100 years?

Paris 1924. 10.6 Harold Abrahams (Chariots of Fire....'spect you can hear that Vangelis theme,....daa dada da daaa )

Paris 2024. 9.79 Noah Lyles

100 years and 0.81 sec 'improvement'. Given the nutritional, training, footwear and track surface advances, quite unremarkable really.

[White Collar Boy]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

I wonder what the record time for 100m sprint will be in another, 100 years?

Paris 1924. 10.6 Harold Abrahams (Chariots of Fire....'spect you can hear that Vangelis theme,....daa dada da daaa )

Paris 2024. 9.79 Noah Lyles

100 years and 0.81 sec 'improvement'. Given the nutritional, training, footwear and track surface advances, quite unremarkable really.

Point taken, though the current record is over a second faster than that 1924 time. I can’t think of anything more remarkable than Usain Bolt sprinting and making it look easy. Hard to
imagine anyone besting that, but I’m sure it’ll happen eventually.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by White Collar Boy

Point taken, though the current record is over a second faster than that 1924 time. I can’t think of anything more remarkable than Usain Bolt sprinting and making it look easy. Hard to
imagine anyone besting that, but I’m sure it’ll happen eventually.

I read that the 2nd 100m in the 200m, is faster than the 100m...makes sense, given that they're already at top speed to start the 2nd 100 suppose.
Interesting though.

[Yobber76]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

#FloridaMan Noah Lyles beat out Jamaica's Kishane Thompson in a thrilling photo finish to win the gold medal in the 100-meter dash.

Florida Man is the world's FASTEST human on planet Earth.

Was his last name Lyles??????
Thanks for telling me I would never have guessed.