HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9

[cpl]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

He just called one of the guy he still owes money... And he admitted he has gambling addiction. And he used these money to pay gambling debts.....

Confirms the rumour I heard 2 months ago. He has huge gambling debts. Unfortunately the money is now gone.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

He just called one of the guy he still owes money... And he admitted he has gambling addiction. And he used these money to pay gambling debts.....

I’d have put money on that being a possibility.

[oinkitt]

This thread has gotten out of hand with every man and his dog chiming in with their vapid opinion.

This thread should have been limited to the people who have been screwed over.

Personally, I would have put up with his crap for 7 days, then I would have paid the $202 filing fee for a statement of claim against him.

[Luciano Oliveira]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

He just called one of the guy he still owes money... And he admitted he has gambling addiction. And he used these money to pay gambling debts.....

I know people who ruined their lives because of games. Really very sad, pitiful.

[Frogman]

Originally Posted by cop414

Reference my post #667, that was my comment. If that makes me arrogant then so be it. We’re keeping an extremely tight reign on this thread and it needs to stay on topic.

My apologies, i didnt see that comment as it was very far back and had no idea it was relevant to the convo i was having with mills, didnt realise he was referencing anybody here, if i did i wouldnt have said anything.
My only comment about TRF in this thread was praise for leaving the thread up.
It was a misunderstanding, my apologies.

[mrchan]

Originally Posted by daveb

Anyone with an internet connection has access to "a ring of counterfeiters". There are hundreds if not thousands of sites selling high quality fakes.

You know what the irony is?
Most people here would definitely have bought a replica at some stage. A huge amount of people here seem to have an inordinately huge amount of knowledge on the latest replica and movements and finishing of the latest replica movements etc than you’d expect for someone who doesn’t own replica.
Although I guess the main crime here is selling a fake disguised as a genuine item.

[cop414]

Originally Posted by Frogman

My apologies, i didnt see that comment as it was very far back and had no idea it was relevant to the convo i was having with mills, didnt realise he was referencing anybody here, if i did i wouldnt have said anything.
My only comment about TRF in this thread was praise for leaving the thread up.
It was a misunderstanding, my apologies.

It’s all good, carry on.

[DJRikki]

Originally Posted by onewatchshort

1. I don’t think posting the WHOLE transcript is necessary, nor are people interested given how long this thread is, but if you insist:

...”.

2. You covered the above in the first 2min20s and stated that you had now dealt with it, so I wouldn’t expect you to say anything further on it in the remaining hour. Whether I listened to the rest is irrelevant anyway.

3. You stated that people were piling in with reports of similar experiences with HH, so you must have seen a great deal of the follow up posts (inc. bushfire excuse?). In any case, the OP is damming enough.

I’ve no doubt you will soon cover the HH story at length, given the scale of this in comparison to the tgv drama.

1. Cheers! Not quite sure why you needed to redact the name of the company that TGV ripped off as it is known and both parties have now "settled" publicly.

2. In my previous post here I did say we continued to mention it throughout and took the piss too.

3. Yeah, we had a ton of people contacting us on all platforms about it so instead of then a few hours later recording something that could be held against us if we got some of the details wrong we decided to let folks know - yes we are aware - and that we arent passing comment right now until more comes to light - which it has. We didnt tell anyone else to reserve judgement and we sure as hell didnt back him up.

It was nice to see you go from ...

Originally Posted by onewatchshort

Is this yet more obfuscation from watch commentators/youtubers? I’m beginning to question where these people’s alliances are.

To ...

Originally Posted by onewatchshort

I’ve no doubt you will soon cover the HH story at length, given the scale of this in comparison to the tgv drama.

Stay tuned as now this has grown to nearly 40 pages and the rest of the internet seems to be on lock down there is actually more to cover and a lesson to pass on as discussed with one of the mods in PM just a couple of hours ago.

[Claudio1989]

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

[Boogietron9000]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

This dude seems like a genuine psychopath.

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[cpl]

Originally Posted by cpl

Incorrect. He has sold many legit pieces over the last few years. If any were fakes, believe me they would be found out. There are more than enough "fakebusters" in AWF and AWBSS to spot a fake as well as Instagram where his customers have showed off their new watch.

My personal opinion, he didn't intentionally sell a fake. He's been playing a Ponzi scheme which unravelled when he couldn't deliver a watch, took one from his personal collection which he has had for several years in the safe, and it turned out to be a fake.

I'm not defending him. Chris and I have had personal disagreements in the past, but this is my opinion on how it played out.

Originally Posted by cpl

People who know me know that I'm one his biggest critics. I have known about his dodgy dealings for a couple of years so I agree with all that you said, except for the part of intentionally selling a fake. It's something he simply wouldn't have gotten away with and as we saw, he didn't. I accept, maybe I'm wrong, maybe he was cornered and this was a Hail Mary pass which failed.

He deserves all that's coming to him.

Originally Posted by cpl

I suspect he has cashflow problems, taking full payment upfront, not delivering watches, struggling with refunds in bit and pieces.

His MO for several years has been to sell a watch with full payment then go out and source it. This worked for a time and people received their watch. Along the way I suspect he ran into financial difficulties (and I heard a rumour why but it's just a rumour which is unsubstantiated) and had to use the money taken for other purposes. Then stalled on delivering the watch or refund of the money. It grew into a Ponzi scheme which snowballed until he was out of options. It's possible he sent a fake as a last resort. We will probably never know unless he comes out with a full confession.

I have been reliably told that he sold another fake Daytona before this latest incident but the victim stayed quiet. I may have missed this information in the thread. So this was no accident and I retract what I said above.

The rumours of heavy gambling debts appear to be true which starts to explain a lot.

[NYVirus]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

Come on, this is insane now... what excuse hasn’t been used yet?

[proftobes]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

He just called one of the guy he still owes money... And he admitted he has gambling addiction. And he used these money to pay gambling debts.....

Uncut Gems 2

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by NYVirus

Come on, this is insane now... what excuse hasn’t been used yet?

His dog ate the Daytona?

[LordNantucket]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

Another victim....Another Perth member who gave him his Sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

Man, really going dark with some of these...

[S``]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Unless we see hard evidence from each of the allegation we need to keep our minds open and not come to conclusion.

There are a lot nasty people on the forum and in the real world who loves to add fuel to the fire by making fake accusations.

@Claudio1989 is one of his victims FYI.

[NYVirus]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Unless we see hard evidence from each of the allegation we need to keep our minds open and not come to conclusion.

There are a lot nasty people on the forum and in the real world who loves to add fuel to the fire by making fake accusations.

I tend to believe a lot of it after reading the transcripts and all the screenshots posted since from others. Everything fits with the same MO.

[Claudio1989]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Unless we see hard evidence from each of the allegation we need to keep our minds open and not come to conclusion.

There are a lot nasty people on the forum and in the real world who loves to add fuel to the fire by making fake accusations.

I already posted mine. And don’t worry we have evidence of these as well

[HereForTheMemes]

I'd be interested to know what happened to the replica 116610LN that he used in the fake v gen video.
I wonder who he palmed that one off too!

[dmb359]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Not accusing anyone of lying.

I'm just saying don't come to conclusion without evidence.

I don't think anyone is. There's been tons of reliable evidence from many reputable sources, plus all the evidence from the scammer himself, with his own words and actions on all his platforms.


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[Boogietron9000]

Originally Posted by simplyvl

Not accusing anyone of lying.

I'm just saying don't come to conclusion without evidence.

Review the evidence before concluding that we're without evidence.

[ganiccus]

I wonder if this whole mess will scare away second hand buyers from the casual flippers who have nowhere near the credibility HH once had. In this scenario, Rolex ADs and trusted sellers with hundreds of sales history are the biggest winners I would feel.

[Imblee]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

He just called one of the guy he still owes money... And he admitted he has gambling addiction. And he used these money to pay gambling debts.....

But how do we know even that’s true. He has to know that he’s in trouble now and trying to get out of it. In all seriousness, how does someone protect themselves from something like this? Is it really AD or nothing?

[cerendigit]

I just went through this thread.

I have to say, I'm baffled.

I am well aware of the danger of wiring money to strangers, and the importance of trust (in any business really), but I wouldn't have suspected someone with so much "internet-cred/fame" to be a crook. Not in a million years.

I totally feel for the victims.

It's just goes to show how much trust we can place on someone based on how "social media-famous" they are.

Live and learn I guess.

[Galaga167]

Originally Posted by claudio1989

another victim....another perth member who gave him his sd43 to film and sell it for him.
Now no watch and no money. And he used a lie as wife miscarriage as an excuse

omg!!!

[Jooboo]

Originally Posted by SMEHK

Hi Mate,
To ensure the right level of context is provided here, there is over $120,000 (on the low side) of people's money being played with - not a small amount for most of us. If you think that does not deserve him to be dragged through the mud online you are just far too kind. So far in reality all that has happened is a bunch of people used their words to (justifiably) discredit this person online, his YT page has been taken down - presumably by him, his IG and linkedin down - definitely by him... IMO the repercussions owed to him for defrauding me and the others (many of which are still coming forward) are still due. if it was your 5, 10 15 or 29k I would expect you to have a completely different reaction to the one you have right now.

We (Imgook) and I did not 'drag him through the mud', we presented facts and these facts spoke to the people that hope to trust these avenues to buy sell and share this hobby that we all enjoy and he has completely destroyed that trust.

I will work to quantify how many people and how much $$$ has actually been messed about with here as I believe $120,000 is a very low estimate.

Amen to that brother 🙏

[Galaga167]

Just a question. Why wouldn’t you use PayPal? Why directly wire money to anyone?

[mgsooner]

If the guy truly has “huge gambling debts,” and his cash flow just got shut off, he may soon face far more serious consequences than losing followers on social media...

[Koolpep]

My heart goes out to the former and current victims of this fraud. Stay strong!

Gambling, miscarriages, family, bushfires, volcano eruptions, wonder what’s the next excuse and lie. One thing is for sure, we won’t hear the truth from him anytime soon.

I also admit I fell for his online persona, wouldn’t have expected something like this.

It also shows that if you control the offering, the sales Platform and the „Social Circle“ around it, it’s a pretty good way to run scams. So having independent platforms, like TRF, Chrono24 or other marketplaces that may come up in the future that offer some kind of buyer and seller protection will become more popular.

The last case of the Panda when Chris seemed to actively push a watch onto someone for a very good price shows the desperation. It’s a watch he should have no problem selling for that price but he kept pushing it to his suspected next victim. Crazy.

Huge kudos to TRF. You did a fab job of being a platform that lets this unfold fully.

[kareemthedream33]

I've been on this forum for about ten years and followed the watch business through a lot of things. I gotta say this is the most terrifying saga I've seen to date.

This is someone you would have looked up and seen dozens of positive reviews for, which a huge online presence.....and he turns out to be a scammer. Very scary stuff.

This makes me hesitate to give money to anyone except AD's and for me DavidSW.....who has easily handled six figures of my money over the years and with whom I have a trusting relationship with.

Wild, wild stuff.

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