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Jackxv · 11 December 2009, 05:22 AM

Take the watch in ? On what reason, could they read the serial ?

I'd never just give my watch to an AD without a normal explanation.

Jack

SLS · 11 December 2009, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrtn6strng

I just want to say thanks to everyone for the insight and advice. Most posts were very helpful and I wasn't really offended by anything until the last reply.

In response to the last poster, of course I was nervous, but not for the reason you stated. There is NO way that my grandfather stole the watch, I just have no idea where he purchased it. And don't lecture me about my attachment being tainted, to me it was my grandfather's watch, and other than pictures and memories, it's all I have.

Anyway, I did take it back to Rolex yesterday anyway, and they did keep it. I know now that this was the right thing to do, but I hope everyone realizes how difficult this was for me. Apart from my sentimental attachment, it would take me a few years to save for something like this, and I wouldn't be able to justify it anyway.

Hopefully I'll have a reason to be a part of the forum at some point down the line. Thanks again for all the help, everyone.

I am sorry for the loss of your grandfather and the watch, I can certainly understand what that would have meant for you, had you been able to keep it. But on the positive side, you would have make your grandfather proud by doing the right thing.

Scott

rad87gn · 11 December 2009, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mcubed

The most logical (and least sinister) explanation is that it was bought from a grey market dealer

I totally agree with this one! Lot of grey market dealers do this to their watches for sale.

Davvan · 11 December 2009, 05:48 AM

I thought dials from 1998-2000 only hade "Swiss" printed on the dail....clearly I was wrong.

Looks like the cyclop is off center over the date window....but that could of course be an angle thing

Anyway...I hope it checks out if you decide to bring it to a RSC

David

Zgar · 11 December 2009, 06:22 AM

Wow came in late on this one but what a thread.. advise, humor, I'm leaving, don't leave comeback, stolen, filed off, not selling, keeping it sentimental value, I'm back , my bad, Friends again........ wow great thread, I'm glad all is well now,,,,

Ed Rooney · 11 December 2009, 07:18 AM

Gray Dealers have been known to get rid of serials in order to hide the source of the watch. This does not mean it is stolen. I think a Gray is the most likely explanation.

kennyboy · 11 December 2009, 08:36 AM

its a bit strange how hasty the job was. If this was just a careless polish job, the opposite side if the watch would be just as damaged?? Right??

Is it????

spuds · 11 December 2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chriseskew24

15,000 of those posts are about snow white.. 20,000 about The Genius and then 25,000 of the previously beloved Bluesy all in the first week of each watch LOL got to love JJ when he gets a new one :)

SPLENDID!!!!!!!

WatchTimes · 11 December 2009, 09:07 AM

Ummm and where did you take it to?
Something does not sound right here.....

You live in Colorado right?

SecretSauce · 11 December 2009, 04:40 PM

After 5 pages of posts, it would be great to get just a few details about your interaction with the AD. On what basis did they keep the watch? Having a worn/filed off serial nr. is surely not a basis for keeping the watch off hand and without further explanation/written notification from Rolex...

It is unfortunate if some of the above posts have caused offence; but please give us the full story so that we understand what actions were taken by the AD.

xjeeunitx · 11 December 2009, 05:05 PM

JYogi, I think it's really none of our business to ask where did he took the watch to. All we can do is hope that he do the right thing and verify it with an AD. We really don't even know why the watch was mutilated like that. We can't jump to conclusions. I tell you what, if that watch did belong to my grandfather and I were to be in his shoes; I would be nervous and even be tempted to just keep it. Let's just hope he made the right choice. That is all.

SLS · 11 December 2009, 07:10 PM

There is a Mini RSC in Colorado, it is not talked about much on this forum but I have friend from TZ that has used him in the past. Also there is a watchmaker at BB that perfroms top notch service as well. My guess is that the OP may have gone one of these routes if the watch was retained, as Rolex USA honors both of these individuals waranty/service work.
Scott

WatchTimes · 11 December 2009, 10:53 PM

Thanks
Did not know there was an RDC in Colorado.
Was not asking to be rude to the OP but as it sounded a little weird an AD
confiscating the watch as I wouldlnt think they would not have access to Rolexs # database I would think and was just a little worried an AD sensed his nervousness and
took advantage of him.

To the OP. I am very sorry about your loss and sorry if you took my post the wrong way. It was not meant as anything against your integrity or your grandfathers.

You did the right thing, your grandpa would be happy and I know its tough but in the long run you will also be much happier.

dannyp · 12 December 2009, 11:58 AM

I'm confused, where did you take it exactly, and what made them determine that they should keep it. Unless they could prove it was stolen, it should be returned to you.

Even if it was fake, I'd ask for it to be returned because of sentimental reasons.

chriseskew24 · 12 December 2009, 12:43 PM

Fishy fishy fishy

unclesallie · 12 December 2009, 12:45 PM

guys, guys. easy. if it's a real rolex the movement and case will be authenticated in due course. i think our member is doing and has done the right thing here. everyone take a deep breath, count to ten, and we'll all start over in the morning!

......and if it is authentic and stolen, it'll go back to the rightful owner.....

and if our member is making up a story about taking the watch back to 'rolex'(AD? RSC?), then it's on him. i think case closed(pun intended).

mrh1797 · 12 December 2009, 12:55 PM

Hmmmmm....guys, I live here in Colorado and I can tell you in Colorado Springs, there are two AD's, one is Jared Jewelers who only recently started carrying them and the other Zerbe Jewelers, I find it strange as well that it was "dropped off at Rolex". I wonder for my own benefit as well where this watch was dropped off. It would be great to have RSC Colorado...I have never heard of it nor seen it.

dannyp · 12 December 2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mrh1797

Hmmmmm....guys, I live here in Colorado and I can tell you in Colorado Springs, there are two AD's, one is Jared Jewelers who only recently started carrying them and the other Zerbe Jewelers, I find it strange as well that it was "dropped off at Rolex". I wonder for my own benefit as well where this watch was dropped off. It would be great to have RSC Colorado...I have never heard of it nor seen it.

Could it be like the one in PA which is either an AD or an independent watchmaker to whom Rolex farms out certain work?

BASSETHOUNDS · 12 December 2009, 06:05 PM

Could have been a case of "double bluff" someone sells you a watch but he says it is cheap because it was stolen , but don't worry I have removed the serial ... You no longer think that it can be fake as you "know" it is stolen . You will never have it checked out officially because you "know " it is stolen : A fake watch goes for 100 USD a stolen watch will still go for a 1000 USD and that way so will a "fake stolen fake watch" another scam , well known in London . Some people like buying stolen goods for the trills and they want to make a good deal ..

Ed Rooney · 14 December 2009, 03:17 AM

I'm telling you guys it's gray. No big deal. They get the watches in, and they have a buffing wheel in the back of the shop. The wheel is just a little narrower than the lugs, and the guy has to do dozens at a time, thus the hasty, sloppy job.

WatchTimes · 14 December 2009, 03:44 AM

Ummm OP???

Seems there are some ?'s

It would really help other Colorado members if you could let them know where you took it.....

As said previously we also are curious what made the location take the watch? Just wanna make sure they did the right thing and wasn't someone who sensed your nervousness and took advantage of you.....

Atl · 14 December 2009, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

if you have all the documents and boxes, I don't see any big problem to sell it to one guy understanding that the number can be buffed away by the end link. If the rest of the numbers subsist, say the writing "registered design" is correct, it is already good.

If not, it can be wiped. So, may be something really happened with this watch.

I agree, my old Sub's serial numbers are about all gone from rubbing from the end links. I would not worry.

David

kzm40 · 14 December 2009, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rad87gn

I totally agree with this one! Lot of grey market dealers do this to their watches for sale.

Guys I don't understand why a grey dealer would do that? Make a watch look like its stolen, and de-value it massivily? In the Uk selling to a grey dealer you would need confirmation of ownership, and to sign a declaration, so they have comeback. In other countries they will need a photocopy of passport before buying. The watch has had it identity removed because at some time in the past its been stolen..

Would anyone buy from a grey dealer who had removed the serial?? I wouldn't.

spuds · 14 December 2009, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Could have been a case of "double bluff" someone sells you a watch but he says it is cheap because it was stolen , but don't worry I have removed the serial ... You no longer think that it can be fake as you "know" it is stolen . You will never have it checked out officially because you "know " it is stolen : A fake watch goes for 100 USD a stolen watch will still go for a 1000 USD and that way so will a "fake stolen fake watch" another scam , well known in London . Some people like buying stolen goods for the trills and they want to make a good deal ..

WatchTimes · 14 December 2009, 07:23 AM

I have never heard of a Gray dealer doing that myself.

Sounds a little crazy but many here have much more experience than I do.

nektar · 14 December 2009, 07:37 AM

i do not think that a gray dealer will remove the serial c on now...he will not destroy a nice watch. this watch had a long story...

dannyp · 14 December 2009, 07:40 AM

The logical explanation is that it's not actually the grey dealer rubbing of the serial numbers, but the distributor selling to the grey dealer removing them. If a Rolex distributor sells to anyone but an authorized Rolex dealer, they can get in trouble. So, if a watch that cannot be traced to a specific Rolex AD shows up, Rolex will know by looking at the serial number which distributor let it out of the approved retail circle.

11 December 2009, 05:22 AM	#91
Jackxv "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 969	Did they say something ? Take the watch in ? On what reason, could they read the serial ? I'd never just give my watch to an AD without a normal explanation. Jack

11 December 2009, 05:48 AM	#94
Davvan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: David Location: Location Location Watch: out..make way!! Posts: 726	I thought dials from 1998-2000 only hade "Swiss" printed on the dail....clearly I was wrong. Looks like the cyclop is off center over the date window....but that could of course be an angle thing Anyway...I hope it checks out if you decide to bring it to a RSC David __________________ Mare Nostrum

11 December 2009, 09:07 AM	#99
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	Ummm and where did you take it to? Something does not sound right here..... You live in Colorado right? __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

11 December 2009, 04:40 PM	#100
SecretSauce Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: BKK Watch: 16610 Posts: 116	Don't go! You left out the most important info! After 5 pages of posts, it would be great to get just a few details about your interaction with the AD. On what basis did they keep the watch? Having a worn/filed off serial nr. is surely not a basis for keeping the watch off hand and without further explanation/written notification from Rolex... It is unfortunate if some of the above posts have caused offence; but please give us the full story so that we understand what actions were taken by the AD.

11 December 2009, 07:10 PM	#102
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	There is a Mini RSC in Colorado, it is not talked about much on this forum but I have friend from TZ that has used him in the past. Also there is a watchmaker at BB that perfroms top notch service as well. My guess is that the OP may have gone one of these routes if the watch was retained, as Rolex USA honors both of these individuals waranty/service work. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

11 December 2009, 06:22 AM	#95
Zgar Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 459	Wow came in late on this one but what a thread.. advise, humor, I'm leaving, don't leave comeback, stolen, filed off, not selling, keeping it sentimental value, I'm back , my bad, Friends again........ wow great thread, I'm glad all is well now,,,,

11 December 2009, 07:18 AM	#96
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	Gray Dealers have been known to get rid of serials in order to hide the source of the watch. This does not mean it is stolen. I think a Gray is the most likely explanation.

11 December 2009, 08:36 AM	#97
kennyboy Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Ken Barr Location: ATL Posts: 21	its a bit strange how hasty the job was. If this was just a careless polish job, the opposite side if the watch would be just as damaged?? Right?? Is it????

11 December 2009, 05:05 PM	#101
xjeeunitx 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,462	JYogi, I think it's really none of our business to ask where did he took the watch to. All we can do is hope that he do the right thing and verify it with an AD. We really don't even know why the watch was mutilated like that. We can't jump to conclusions. I tell you what, if that watch did belong to my grandfather and I were to be in his shoes; I would be nervous and even be tempted to just keep it. Let's just hope he made the right choice. That is all.

11 December 2009, 10:53 PM	#103
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	Thanks Did not know there was an RDC in Colorado. Was not asking to be rude to the OP but as it sounded a little weird an AD confiscating the watch as I wouldlnt think they would not have access to Rolexs # database I would think and was just a little worried an AD sensed his nervousness and took advantage of him. To the OP. I am very sorry about your loss and sorry if you took my post the wrong way. It was not meant as anything against your integrity or your grandfathers. You did the right thing, your grandpa would be happy and I know its tough but in the long run you will also be much happier. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

12 December 2009, 11:58 AM	#104
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	I'm confused, where did you take it exactly, and what made them determine that they should keep it. Unless they could prove it was stolen, it should be returned to you. Even if it was fake, I'd ask for it to be returned because of sentimental reasons.

12 December 2009, 12:43 PM	#105
chriseskew24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Christopher Location: fort lauderdale Watch: Bunches Posts: 1,860	Fishy fishy fishy

12 December 2009, 12:45 PM	#106
unclesallie 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: dan Location: Pennsylvania Watch: keystone pocket Posts: 5,917	guys, guys. easy. if it's a real rolex the movement and case will be authenticated in due course. i think our member is doing and has done the right thing here. everyone take a deep breath, count to ten, and we'll all start over in the morning! ......and if it is authentic and stolen, it'll go back to the rightful owner..... and if our member is making up a story about taking the watch back to 'rolex'(AD? RSC?), then it's on him. i think case closed(pun intended).

12 December 2009, 12:55 PM	#107
mrh1797 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Matt Location: The 505 Watch: Love em' all!! Posts: 1,237	Hmmmmm....guys, I live here in Colorado and I can tell you in Colorado Springs, there are two AD's, one is Jared Jewelers who only recently started carrying them and the other Zerbe Jewelers, I find it strange as well that it was "dropped off at Rolex". I wonder for my own benefit as well where this watch was dropped off. It would be great to have RSC Colorado...I have never heard of it nor seen it.

12 December 2009, 06:05 PM	#109
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Could have been a case of "double bluff" someone sells you a watch but he says it is cheap because it was stolen , but don't worry I have removed the serial ... You no longer think that it can be fake as you "know" it is stolen . You will never have it checked out officially because you "know " it is stolen : A fake watch goes for 100 USD a stolen watch will still go for a 1000 USD and that way so will a "fake stolen fake watch" another scam , well known in London . Some people like buying stolen goods for the trills and they want to make a good deal ..

14 December 2009, 03:17 AM	#110
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	I'm telling you guys it's gray. No big deal. They get the watches in, and they have a buffing wheel in the back of the shop. The wheel is just a little narrower than the lugs, and the guy has to do dozens at a time, thus the hasty, sloppy job.

14 December 2009, 03:44 AM	#111
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	Ummm OP??? Seems there are some ?'s It would really help other Colorado members if you could let them know where you took it..... As said previously we also are curious what made the location take the watch? Just wanna make sure they did the right thing and wasn't someone who sensed your nervousness and took advantage of you..... __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

14 December 2009, 07:23 AM	#115
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	I have never heard of a Gray dealer doing that myself. Sounds a little crazy but many here have much more experience than I do. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

14 December 2009, 07:37 AM	#116
nektar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,678	i do not think that a gray dealer will remove the serial c on now...he will not destroy a nice watch. this watch had a long story...

14 December 2009, 07:40 AM	#117
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	The logical explanation is that it's not actually the grey dealer rubbing of the serial numbers, but the distributor selling to the grey dealer removing them. If a Rolex distributor sells to anyone but an authorized Rolex dealer, they can get in trouble. So, if a watch that cannot be traced to a specific Rolex AD shows up, Rolex will know by looking at the serial number which distributor let it out of the approved retail circle.

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