Deep Sea, Why so many for sale.?

[RJC]

Originally Posted by ayecarumba

2. There are several Sea Dweller models to choose from that have vastly different features (dates, depth ratings, bezel materials, LV, etc...)

There are just two current Sea Dwellers - the soon to be discontinued 16600 and the current Deepsea.

[theken]

I love my SDDS and I think I got a great deal when I bought it pre-owned.
My feeling is that if you like the 44mm Panerai Luminors, you will like the SDDS.
The SDDS bracelet with the diving extension removed makes it a perfect fit for me.
I wear my SDDS in rotation with 6-8 other watches and I enjoy it every time I put it on.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by ElPrimero

Compared to what?

Umm, I thought I used the Submariner in my post for a example? My girly little wrist prefers a 45.5mm Planet Ocean.

[SeamasterGMT]

Originally Posted by CPTL

I didn't start this thread. I also didn't open it up to a general bashing of other's opinions that diverged from mine.

My thoughts on the DSSD: "I don't get why they made it so big."

Note how this is different from "Everyone who thinks it's the right size makes me want to bash my head on the table."

Seems like half of your posts are just ripping on other's opinions. Take a deep breath.

Note: you may begin hyperventilating and smashing your keyboard now.

These types of posts are just a personal attack and should be left to PM. No body else is interested in your dislike of me. Lets get back to talking about the Deepsea. A topic you always participate in but only to make negative comments.

[layne]

Sure there are negative comments about the Deepsea, but you can say that for most models. People will have their opinions on the pros & cons of just about anything. It would be quite a boring place if everyone had the same likes & opinions.

When i bought my Deepsea, I didn't go into the AD expecting to buy the watch - I just wanted to try it on. My wrists aren't the biggest, but Iam a fairly big guy so the watch did suit me. I loved the heft, the 'safe' like feel of the bezel, the matt dial, the glidelock clasp & the domed crystal. Sure the depth rating is extreme, but it just contributes to the tough feel of the watch - indeed, this is a tool watch. I couldn't put it down & ended up buying it. It didnt take that long to get used to the height (maybe a few days) & I wore it as an everyday watch for a few months. Now it is on rotation with the others.

When i hear the common negative comments about the watch, it doesn't worry me one bit, because for me, nothing has changed - I still love the watch as much, if not more than when i first tried it on. It is certainly a keeper!

[JBat]

Originally Posted by SeamasterGMT

yep. The Deepsea is not as thick as some Omegas, Breitlings, JLC...
It's just thicker than other Rolex models.
Get out there, have a look at other brands.
Is the Deepsea thick compared to other Rolex models? Yes. Is it thick compared to other Dive watches? Nope. This has been said before in other threads. Didn't you read them??????????????????????????

Nobody is comparing the DSSD to other brands. I couldn't care less if other watches are thicker, 18mm is a thick watch. Now, reply and tell me it isn't.

[SeamasterGMT]

Originally Posted by JBat

Nobody is comparing the DSSD to other brands. I couldn't care less if other watches are thicker, 18mm is a thick watch. Now, reply and tell me it isn't.

18mm is NOT a thick watch. The CX Swiss Military 20, 000 ft Diver is a thick watch - 28.5mm. : dummy::d ummy:

[acadianl79]

This is what i call a thick watch !

The DSSD IS OF AVERAGE SIZE IMO.
Below 39mm, it's just a girly watch...sorry

[aerodan]

Big is really a state of mind. Unless you have this on, in which case big is just big.

-D

[Singslinger]

The new Lange 31, which is 45.9mm in size, requires a large key to wind up the 31-day power reserve, and the watch costs well above US$100,000. I believe the platinum version costs about US$130,000, give or take a few thousand!

Just like Rolex increasing the Deepsea's case size in order to accomodate the expanded depth rating, IMO and that of two of my friends who are Lange owners, this is taking the race to increase a mechanical watch's power reserve a bit too far.

Yet I have to wonder if Lange & Sohne fans have a debate as heated as TRF members have had about the Deepsea.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by SeamasterGMT

Yes Moby33, I know you feel the same as me. You, Me, Wristworks, and a few others who are not Rolex fanboys and have experienced other dive watches KNOW that the Deepsea is not too big or too thick. I hadn't seen you around much and thought you'de left. Good to see you around again.


Lets start a Poll - have you ever flipped a DSSD?
have you ever flipped a sub?

Ah yes, I'm still around...but a new job has been taking up a lot of my time lately (and that's a good thing). I still pop in, just getting tired of the same 'ol same 'ol 'debates' that seem to occur around these parts.

Once again we see eye-to-eye. To answer your poll, let me say I've flipped a Sub Date, SubLV and SD4000 (all owned for less than 6 months). I've also flipped many other brands & watches including Omega, Breitling, Bell&Ross & Fortis. That being said, I can honestly (and without shame) admit I use to enjoy flipping watches and never could be truly happy with just one.

But, all that changed after I purchased my DSSD almost 2 year ago. It's been my daily wearer since day one of ownership (I've literally never had it off my wrist in excess of 2 hours) and I'll NEVER sell (the only other watch in my collection I can say the same about is my SMP Chrono)...those that know me & my always evolving love of watches know that point alone speaks volumes to how great I think the watch is. It's not for everyone, I know, and in the end I'm not losing any sleep over that fact.

My only reoccurring complaint is when members write the watch off even though it's clear their only interaction with the watch is via pictures on the internet, walking past it in a case or parroting what others say.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by CPTL

I'm one of those guys who doesn't get why the DS is sooo big. Seems like they made it big just to see how big they could get it.

I know, they wanted to get it to eleventy billion feet rating. But that's about as practical as coating it with flea and tick powder--solving a non problem.

No grudge to y'all who love it...I just don't get it. It's huge. Nothing needs to be that big just for the sake of being big. Unless it's a sterling silver belt buckle.

Agree to disagree on what "Huge" is in a modern dive watch.

Lastly, I would contend that a 12,800' dive rating is pretty much as pointless as a 1,000' or 4,000' rating...I dive quite a bit (and been doing it since I was a teenager), yet I'll NEVER need a watch to go deeper than 180' - period. Any 'sport diver' that tries and argues that point differently is either, 1) A complete idiot or 2) A complete liar that has never strapped a tank to his/her back w/ a regulator in their mouth.

[Gagebuilder]

HA HA HA!

I love how polarizing the DSSD is among the WIS.

Truth is, non-WIS I know don't notice a difference between my DSSD amd my GMT IIc.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by Green Arrow

Exactly the debate I'm having with myself!

I want to downplay conspicuous consumption, but I do think that the new SS Ceramic Sub with the blue lume, maxi-dial, glidelock clasp, and "reasonable" balance between dial size and case/bracelet is just a terrific choice depending on how much they bring it out for. I almost went for the TT from David SW here on the forum just before deciding to go "stealth" in the future. Can't make my mind up whether SS Rolex sub is "stealth" enough, but I think it is going to be a DYNAMITE watch. Measuring it against the Seiko Marine Master 300 or Spring Drive 600 as I wait for Basel, and the inevitable initial price gouging to subside after production.

Luckily it will be enough months before general availability to do lots of waffling and second guessing. If the past is the prelude to the future, I'll end up buying it, same as I did with the GMT C and the Deepsea. Seems like the best merger of those two worlds.

Of course, I keep thinking that the best thing to do is to become less of a consumer.....:d ummy:

Ha, ha...I hear ya. I agree in that I think the new SS Sub will be a home run and I'll be very tempted to purchase as well (that's assuming of course they leave out the PCLs). Thankfully, it won't be a 'Must Have Now' item, so I can wait for the prices to come down a bit.

One of the main reasons my DSSD has ruined me for all other dive watches is the fact that I love metal bracelets but if it can't be adjusted (like the Glidelock) I just can't live with it anymore (a point my SMP Chrono has not been too happy with during the last few years). I've grown so accustomed to adjusting the size of my bracelet 'on the fly' during different activity levels & temperatures...I still think many people don't know what they're missing without having that feature.

But now that the new SS Sub is going to have a quick adjustment as well (even if it's not quite as handy as the DSSD in that it can't be done on the wrist) it's going to make the ultimate dive watch icon just that much better IMO.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by Mystro

As for thickness, The DSSD is 17.68mm. The only Omega that is even close to the thickness of the DSSD is the Ploprof at 17.7, so they are about the same.

What about the Planet Ocean Chrono? That badboy comes in at a little over 18mm thick and I can tell you from experience it's not nearly as comfortable as the DSSD. How do I know? Because I owned one for almost 8 months but sold it around the same time I purchased my DSSD because it just didn't do it for me anymore. Also had a Breitling Skyland Avenger Blacksteel around that time...it too was almost 18mm thick...and it too got dumped after the DSSD arrived.

Once again, I contend it seems those individuals that strictly live in 'Rolex World' seem to think the DSSD is sssssssoooooo big & thick...the rest of the world that are sporting modern Omegas, Breitlings and PAN's laugh at the idea that the DSSD would be considered a HUGE watch.

[jmsrolls]

Originally Posted by goldminer

The height of the watch wasn't so much the issue for me but a lack of balance on the ridiculously tapered bracelet, the clasp of which is narrower than the SD4000. The verbiage on the ring-lock irritated the hell out of me, I really didn't need to be told it had an "original gas escape valve" or a "ring lock system". The necessarily thick crystal to me lacked clarity which really made looking at the watch a less than happy experience.

I agree with goldminer. I spend quite a bit of time at a very patient AD's store comparing the DSSD, the 45.5 Omega Planet Ocean, and the new Omega PloProf.

Comfort is a big thing with me and thick cases tend to slide from side to side on my 7.5" round wrist. This slippage was very pronounced with the disparity between the heavy watch head and the "less than substantial" bracelet of the DSSD. (The bracelet seems to have been an afterthought.) It seemed unbalanced on my wrist. And yes, the extraneous wording was a turn off as well.

The PO was more balanced but the bracelet lacked micro-adjustments so a snug, comfortable fit would be difficult to achieve and maintain.

I ended up with the PloProf as I found it to be the most comfortable to wear. Although heavy at 280gm, the case back is designed with vertical ridges which, when combined with the ratcheting, micro-adjusting clasp, eliminates the side-to-side slippage. Although my wrist may expand or contract during the day, I can adjust the bracelet "on the fly" with the push of a button.

The new 8500 movement with 60hr power reserve, the bezel lume, history, design, and finish of the PloProf were also pluses.

Omega obviously put a lot of thought into the development of the new PloProf. I'm not too sure about Rolex and the DSSD.

Personally, I would take the old SD over the Deep Sea any day.

Fr. John†

[Lol-x]

Interesting views, thanks for sharing, it was an enjoyable read

[BlackpoolRolexCoaste]

It's a "look-at-me" watch and for some people, that is what they want.
I have one Submariner no-date, that "flies under the radar" and a Bluesey that tends to attract attention and therefore gets a lot less "wrist time"
Those that know, don't show.....
Just another example of Rolex losing their way.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by jmsrolls

Comfort is a big thing with me and thick cases tend to slide from side to side on my 7.5" round wrist. This slippage was very pronounced with the disparity between the heavy watch head and the "less than substantial" bracelet of the DSSD. (The bracelet seems to have been an afterthought.) It seemed unbalanced on my wrist. And yes, the extraneous wording was a turn off as well.

The PO was more balanced but the bracelet lacked micro-adjustments so a snug, comfortable fit would be difficult to achieve and maintain.

I ended up with the PloProf as I found it to be the most comfortable to wear.
Omega obviously put a lot of thought into the development of the new PloProf. I'm not too sure about Rolex and the DSSD.

This just goes to show, "Results may vary with user." While I'm glad the PloProf worked out for you, I had the exact opposite experience with my PO Chrono and the DSSD. I really wanted to LOVE the PO (seeing as Omega is my first true love and I prefer chronos to everything else), but try as I might, it just didn't fit/wear as well as my DSSD. Therefore, when talking to someone like me I would say the DSSD bracelet was anything but an afterthought as it seems almost perfect.

Another example of why different tastes/experiences keep the world going round. Cheers.

[moby33]

Originally Posted by BlackpoolRolexCoaste

It's a "look-at-me" watch and for some people, that is what they want.
I have a Bluesey that tends to attract attention and therefore gets a lot less "wrist time"
Those that know, don't show.....
Just another example of Rolex losing their way.

Agree to disagree. Then again, I would never sport a TT watch as even TT gold is too much 'bling' or "look-at-me" (to use your words) for me, so obviously our tastes are very different. Cheers.

[SeamasterGMT]

Originally Posted by moby33

Agree to disagree. Then again, I would never sport a TT watch as even TT gold is too much 'bling' or "look-at-me" (to use your words) for me, so obviously our tastes are very different. Cheers.

I would agree with this. I can't see why SS is "Look-at-me" if TT isn't.

[tattooedfagin]

Originally Posted by SeamasterGMT

I would agree with this. I can't see why SS is "Look-at-me" if TT isn't.

i thought about a TT prior to getting my DSSD, went for the Deepsea in the end as i thought it far less 'showy' & the size factor isn't an issue, just as comfortable as my sub date & i can't wait to get it back on my wrist

[bodybump]

I dont know for some reason my wrist doesnt feel right after wearing it...

[jets]

I am lusting over a DS and this thread ain't helping!

From where I stand, this watch makes a serious statement about what they are all about. They could have made the watch with all kinds of extra lume on a sapphire bezel and buttons to turn unlock it's rotation etc. Common sense tells me the more added to any device the more can potentially go wrong mechanically. That's why simple things last longer. They have stuck with the basics and improved on them over time. Old bezels got scratched and faded? Improve with ceramic that isn't prone to either. Can't go deep enough? Make it bigger and stronger. Dial hard to read? Max it out. The DS is the evolution of a real diving watch and exceeds the needs of any diver. The proplof looks cool at first (to me) but then it kinda looks like it was made from spare parts meant for something else... to each their own. The other massive watches are just bragging rights... if you're going that deep you're in a submarine anyways.

I think that was closer to 3 cents.

[Prince Tudor]

The way I see it, is that it's not to everyone's taste. But, given that it was a new Rolex, which does not come along too often (with such massive changes) people got caught up in the hype. It's very easy to do. You don't realize that the dimensions, be it dial size, case thickness, etc... are not suited for you until you wear the watch for a while.
I don't own a DSSD myself but may some day. Just my 2 cents...

[WatchnRoll]

Originally Posted by BlackpoolRolexCoaste

It's a "look-at-me" watch and for some people, that is what they want.
I have one Submariner no-date, that "flies under the radar" and a Bluesey that tends to attract attention and therefore gets a lot less "wrist time"
Those that know, don't show.....
Just another example of Rolex losing their way.

While the DSSD might be a "look at me" watch...so are most of every other Rolex model and that is they way it has been for at least 30 years. It's a Rolex...not a Seiko...Rolex has the perception or stigma that it is a show off watch. Hey...look at me...I've arrived and i'm successful...some might not feel that way but at least for me...a Rolex represented that I reached a point in my life that I could justify and afford a quality item.

Those guys who wear the all gold Presidential with the diamond bezel....again "look at me". Nothing wrong with it at all and I get it...and I look! :)

A DSSD is not flashy with polished steel and has no gold...it's just large. I think it flies under the radar as well.

The TT subs and Daytona's are much more showy than the DSSD.

Lastly, big watches are in..period. This is the way it is and Rolex must adapt to compete. They are smart by adjusting their philosophy as a business. I wouldn't respect them if they just kept releasing the same old stuff and sizes while other brands out do them and provide greater selection and sizes. That is where Rolex would be Rolex losing their way...

Rolex is doing things right in my book for most of their new line.

[WatchnRoll]

Originally Posted by bodybump

I dont know for some reason my wrist doesnt feel right after wearing it...

Better get that diver extension...

[JBat]

Originally Posted by SeamasterGMT

18mm is NOT a thick watch. The CX Swiss Military 20, 000 ft Diver is a thick watch - 28.5mm. : dummy::d ummy:

Thick as a brick. You, not the watch.

[Rebel]

Too big.

[RJC]

Originally Posted by BlackpoolRolexCoaste

It's a "look-at-me" watch and for some people, that is what they want.
I have one Submariner no-date, that "flies under the radar" and a Bluesey that tends to attract attention and therefore gets a lot less "wrist time"
Those that know, don't show.....
Just another example of Rolex losing their way.

Rubbish!