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dooder202 · 16 December 2011, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Postnikov

Do not expect wonders from a massproduction! Mostly you pay for the name and not the quality - the reason why you bought a Rolex!

No. I didn't buy a Rolex because of the name. I bought it because I love their designs. Period. Plus the quality is very good, but I have seen flaws on some of their watches.

rolepam312 · 16 December 2011, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by daunwaun

It really is amazing how in-depth we look at watches here, Imagine you're obsessed with your couch in your family room and you joined a forum and all you did was talk about that couch and variations of it. Your couch probably has so many things wrong with it yet you have no idea...

While I appreciate your attempt at an analogy, I can't say the comparison you site is valid... Couch to a watch? Totally, utterly different expectation and usage...

tripleC · 16 December 2011, 06:29 AM

If its from the factory it has to be perfect. I'm a pain in the ass I notice every flaw!

tomallen · 16 December 2011, 08:02 PM

This is a topic that sits funny with me. On one hand members say live with the flaws, don't worry about misalignment of this or that, it's mass produced, it's just a watch. On the other hand members are afraid to take the stickers off, get it wet, or wear it out side. We have a forum dedicated to it with international members that are willing to spend ten grand plus that may take a life time of saving for. Is it just a watch or is it a grail or an icon? Just the ramblings of an old fat middle class man.

Annan · 17 December 2011, 03:34 AM

If you look at all the beautiful watches on Rolex's official website, watch the videos and read the narratives, you continuously run across the words "Obsession with perfection". I think that sums it up. Rolex is obsessed with perfection of its products therefore, we the consumers should expect them to come damned close! Therefore, I think it's incumbent upon us to NOT tolerate flaws and when noted, expect Rolex to make it right.

Watch ME! · 17 December 2011, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Annan

If you look at all the beautiful watches on Rolex's official website, watch the videos and read the narratives, you continuously run across the words "Obsession with perfection". I think that sums it up. Rolex is obsessed with perfection of its products therefore, we the consumers should expect them to come damned close! Therefore, I think it's incumbent upon us to NOT tolerate flaws and when noted, expect Rolex to make it right.

Agreed... $h*t will happen, but when it does, it should be made right; and from reading the forums, I think Rolex does just that.

subtona · 17 December 2011, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Watch ME!

Agreed... $h*t will happen, but when it does, it should be made right; and from reading the forums, I think Rolex does just that.

unfortunately, in my experience... no they do not.

Riseman Weather · 17 December 2011, 05:03 AM

I my opinion. I really think some people overlook the fact that Rolex watches are so expensive because they make very few every year so they can focus on quality control of their watches, and if one of Rolex watch gets pasted the quality control. It becomes a very rare and more expensive watch overtime.

CAPDSSD · 17 December 2011, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Riseman Weather

I my opinion. I really think some people overlook the fact that Rolex watches are so expensive because they make very few every year

800,000/year = Few?

boogiebot · 17 December 2011, 05:20 AM

im one of those freaks that thinks that they should be perfect. i think that all the flaws should be worked out by their QC team if there are any.

dooder202 · 17 December 2011, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boogiebot

im one of those freaks that thinks that they should be perfect. i think that all the flaws should be worked out by their QC team if there are any.

dooder202 · 17 December 2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Riseman Weather

I my opinion. I really think some people overlook the fact that Rolex watches are so expensive because they make very few every year so they can focus on quality control of their watches, and if one of Rolex watch gets pasted the quality control. It becomes a very rare and more expensive watch overtime.

Well it depends on what flaw we'er talking about. A crooked cyclops or misaligned bezel will certainly fetch less money, not more, ever.

Riseman Weather · 17 December 2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by CAPDSSD

800,000/year = Few?

Yes, in the watch world that is very few. Some watch companies can make millions of a watches a year.

CAPDSSD · 17 December 2011, 05:28 AM

How do you define factory flaws?

Visible with normal 20/20 eyesight?
Visible with excellent eyesight?
Visible with a loupe?
Visible with a microscope?
Visible with an electron microscope?

At some point, you WILL find a "factory flaw".

There are so many more states of disorder than of order. It's an entropy thing.

Riseman Weather · 17 December 2011, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dooder202

Well it depends on what flaw we'er talking about. A crooked cyclops or misaligned bezel will certainly fetch less money, not more, ever.

True, comedic flaws are different than manufacturer flaws. I guess if they put a wrong hour, minute, or second hand on a Rolex watch. It would make it more rare and expensive in my opinion.

Riseman Weather · 17 December 2011, 05:42 AM

How about this one. What if you want to get a Rolex Submariner, but you don't want to have the cyclops on it? Does it change the value of the watch after you do that?

omegabenz · 11 January 2012, 06:41 PM

Would a squeaky oyster bracelet be considered a flaw or character?

general · 11 January 2012, 07:35 PM

obvious flaws to naked eye are not acceptable.

tattooedfagin · 11 January 2012, 09:22 PM

i got my 1680 back from RSC in June last year, noticed that the cyclops was very slightly off but as it had been in service for 5 months i wasn't too fussed, just recently i noticed that one edge near the caseback was pretty sharp where it hadn't been rounded / smoothed when polished..i'll drop it off at some point & get both issues sorted, i'm not losing sleep over either error but for what i paid for a service etc i'd expect better.

masterserg · 11 January 2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tattooedfagin

i got my 1680 back from RSC in June last year, noticed that the cyclops was very slightly off but as it had been in service for 5 months i wasn't too fussed, just recently i noticed that one edge near the caseback was pretty sharp where it hadn't been rounded / smoothed when polished..i'll drop it off at some point & get both issues sorted, i'm not losing sleep over either error but for what i paid for a service etc i'd expect better.

I hear you ... on the last service of my 16570 (years ago) the bezel ended up being slightly crooked to the right ... I never bothered to send it back though.

topgear · 11 January 2012, 11:17 PM

I have used a loupe to examine my watch whilst my fiance was looking at diamonds in a jewelry boutique. I could not spot the flaws mentioned here and i breathe a sigh of relief.

To answer the questions from the TS, no, I would not be able to stomach any of the flaws given Rolex's pedigree and (high) price!

wrickem · 11 January 2012, 11:23 PM

I beat up my watches so badly that flaws from the factory wouldn't bother me one bit unless it had to do with the way they work (bracelet popping open, bad at keeping time).

liuk3 · 12 January 2012, 12:16 AM

I know that my attention to detail makes me good at my job. However, I also understand that it is not necessarily the norm in terms of the average person's level of acceptability. I have noticed 2 extremely minor cosmetic flaws in my DSSD, but at the same time I'm almost sure that they are within the company's QC tolerances. (My wife had to do a quadruple take to even try to see it when I pointed them out to her. She said I was out of control. LOL). I may check with the RSC at some point, but the very minute flaws identifiable likely only to me serve as markers to know that this particular watch is specifically mine. We're talking about a mass produced product here. I know that there are probably a billion (ok I'm exaggerating) other people with the same watch as I, so whatever I can do to make mine unique to me is likely helpful. Operationally, it works so far to my expectations.

liptonnr · 12 January 2012, 02:38 AM

Two words! Nuh oooooooooooo!

Silvio Mosiello · 4 July 2012, 11:56 AM

That problem would be solved easily for me. I'd be back at my ad guns blazin!

SkyKing31 · 4 July 2012, 12:03 PM

I havent noticed any flaws on the Rolex watches I bought new .. I dont think I could accept a factory flaw considering the price

Omni · 4 July 2012, 12:29 PM

The flaws of today are the rare coveted holy grails of tomorrow.

swissautopro · 4 July 2012, 12:35 PM

Honestly, life is just too short. If the toughest thing in my life were the "minor flaws" on my wristwatch, I'd do cartwheels the first half of each day, and dance a jig the second half ... well ... if I could do a cartwheel or knew how to dance a jig.

pfg1 · 4 July 2012, 02:16 PM

Sophia Vergara has a problem with chronic sharting.....just sayin'........so a small defect in a Rolex dial or crystal just gives the watch some character.

Daniel Tan · 4 July 2012, 03:28 PM

My brand new Explorer II and my brand new DSSD both come with flaws.... Especially black dial gross finishing one confirm have scratches on its dial. Bracelet also got many many flaws especially uneven winding at the curved angle of every small link. Fiber stain and many many white dot stain could be seen by naked eye inside the dial and Unpolished part of the bracelet. Conclusion is ,most of the it got small flaws and do not expect them to be flawless .

16 December 2011, 08:02 PM	#94
tomallen 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Tom Location: Connecticut Watch: Rolex SubC,GMTIIC Posts: 966	This is a topic that sits funny with me. On one hand members say live with the flaws, don't worry about misalignment of this or that, it's mass produced, it's just a watch. On the other hand members are afraid to take the stickers off, get it wet, or wear it out side. We have a forum dedicated to it with international members that are willing to spend ten grand plus that may take a life time of saving for. Is it just a watch or is it a grail or an icon? Just the ramblings of an old fat middle class man. __________________ Unless you are the lead dog the scenery never changes

11 January 2012, 09:22 PM	#109
tattooedfagin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Chad Location: the neighbourhood Watch: 1680 Red Posts: 2,262	i got my 1680 back from RSC in June last year, noticed that the cyclops was very slightly off but as it had been in service for 5 months i wasn't too fussed, just recently i noticed that one edge near the caseback was pretty sharp where it hadn't been rounded / smoothed when polished..i'll drop it off at some point & get both issues sorted, i'm not losing sleep over either error but for what i paid for a service etc i'd expect better. __________________ SS Sub Date (F) DSSD (V) Red Sub (Mk4) TRF Hall of Fame

12 January 2012, 12:16 AM	#113
liuk3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,354	I know that my attention to detail makes me good at my job. However, I also understand that it is not necessarily the norm in terms of the average person's level of acceptability. I have noticed 2 extremely minor cosmetic flaws in my DSSD, but at the same time I'm almost sure that they are within the company's QC tolerances. (My wife had to do a quadruple take to even try to see it when I pointed them out to her. She said I was out of control. LOL). I may check with the RSC at some point, but the very minute flaws identifiable likely only to me serve as markers to know that this particular watch is specifically mine. We're talking about a mass produced product here. I know that there are probably a billion (ok I'm exaggerating) other people with the same watch as I, so whatever I can do to make mine unique to me is likely helpful. Operationally, it works so far to my expectations. __________________ "Appreciate your life!"

4 July 2012, 12:03 PM	#116
SkyKing31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Manalapan Florida Watch: Tridor Masterpiece Posts: 2,819	I havent noticed any flaws on the Rolex watches I bought new .. I dont think I could accept a factory flaw considering the price __________________ It's been said that money can never buy happiness which is true, but I'd rather cry while seated in the back of a Rolls Royce limousine instead crying while seated on a bicycle.

4 July 2012, 12:35 PM	#118
swissautopro "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: South Carolina Watch: 3.3M 1655 Mk I Posts: 2,384	Honestly, life is just too short. If the toughest thing in my life were the "minor flaws" on my wristwatch, I'd do cartwheels the first half of each day, and dance a jig the second half ... well ... if I could do a cartwheel or knew how to dance a jig. __________________ "A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a bandit, and scarcity like an armed man." Proverbs 24 "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt." Unknown "Better to be a nobody and yet have a servant than pretend to be somebody and have no food." Proverbs 12

16 December 2011, 06:29 AM	#93
tripleC "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: charles Location: new york Watch: explorer II Posts: 557	If its from the factory it has to be perfect. I'm a pain in the ass I notice every flaw!

17 December 2011, 03:34 AM	#95
Annan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Ron Location: Arizona, USA Watch: 116233 Posts: 3,180	If you look at all the beautiful watches on Rolex's official website, watch the videos and read the narratives, you continuously run across the words "Obsession with perfection". I think that sums it up. Rolex is obsessed with perfection of its products therefore, we the consumers should expect them to come damned close! Therefore, I think it's incumbent upon us to NOT tolerate flaws and when noted, expect Rolex to make it right.

17 December 2011, 05:03 AM	#98
Riseman Weather Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: U.S.A. Watch: G-Shock Riseman Posts: 198	I my opinion. I really think some people overlook the fact that Rolex watches are so expensive because they make very few every year so they can focus on quality control of their watches, and if one of Rolex watch gets pasted the quality control. It becomes a very rare and more expensive watch overtime.

17 December 2011, 05:20 AM	#100
boogiebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: canada Watch: me post! Posts: 3,804	im one of those freaks that thinks that they should be perfect. i think that all the flaws should be worked out by their QC team if there are any.

17 December 2011, 05:28 AM	#104
CAPDSSD Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Huntington Bch CA Posts: 258	How do you define factory flaws? Visible with normal 20/20 eyesight? Visible with excellent eyesight? Visible with a loupe? Visible with a microscope? Visible with an electron microscope? At some point, you WILL find a "factory flaw". There are so many more states of disorder than of order. It's an entropy thing.

17 December 2011, 05:42 AM	#106
Riseman Weather Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: U.S.A. Watch: G-Shock Riseman Posts: 198	How about this one. What if you want to get a Rolex Submariner, but you don't want to have the cyclops on it? Does it change the value of the watch after you do that?

11 January 2012, 06:41 PM	#107
omegabenz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: 209 Watch: 116400GV, o2531.80 Posts: 240	Would a squeaky oyster bracelet be considered a flaw or character?

11 January 2012, 07:35 PM	#108
general "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 723	obvious flaws to naked eye are not acceptable.

11 January 2012, 11:17 PM	#111
topgear "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Middle East Watch: 116710 LN, PAM390 Posts: 887	I have used a loupe to examine my watch whilst my fiance was looking at diamonds in a jewelry boutique. I could not spot the flaws mentioned here and i breathe a sigh of relief. To answer the questions from the TS, no, I would not be able to stomach any of the flaws given Rolex's pedigree and (high) price!

11 January 2012, 11:23 PM	#112
wrickem "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Wrick Location: lambertville nj Watch: too many Posts: 10	I beat up my watches so badly that flaws from the factory wouldn't bother me one bit unless it had to do with the way they work (bracelet popping open, bad at keeping time).

12 January 2012, 02:38 AM	#114
liptonnr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Nate Location: Pottsville, PA Watch: Sub-c LV, GMT's Posts: 988	Two words! Nuh oooooooooooo!

4 July 2012, 11:56 AM	#115
Silvio Mosiello "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Matthew Location: Miami/NY Watch: the shoes. Posts: 3,482	That problem would be solved easily for me. I'd be back at my ad guns blazin!

4 July 2012, 12:29 PM	#117
Omni Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 95	The flaws of today are the rare coveted holy grails of tomorrow.

4 July 2012, 02:16 PM	#119
pfg1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Wisconsin Watch: 116622 YM Blue Posts: 505	Sophia Vergara has a problem with chronic sharting.....just sayin'........so a small defect in a Rolex dial or crystal just gives the watch some character.

4 July 2012, 03:28 PM	#120
Daniel Tan Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Real Name: daniel tan Location: Malaysia Watch: DSSD DJ EXPII PAM Posts: 210	My brand new Explorer II and my brand new DSSD both come with flaws.... Especially black dial gross finishing one confirm have scratches on its dial. Bracelet also got many many flaws especially uneven winding at the curved angle of every small link. Fiber stain and many many white dot stain could be seen by naked eye inside the dial and Unpolished part of the bracelet. Conclusion is ,most of the it got small flaws and do not expect them to be flawless .

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