Will Panerai pull itself from the deep abyss?

[improviz]

Sigh....

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Hello again.....

While I own Panerai, Iwc, Breitling, Omegas and others....I would NEVER trade one of my Rolexes for any of those. N E V E R....

Great. Don't. Unfortunately this does not "prove" that those who would trade one of their Rolexes for one of those to be wrong, nor does it prove why they should NEVER NEVER NEVER ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY I MEAN NO WAY NEVER NEVER EVER do so, this is what I am awaiting.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Take the IWC for example.....There are posts such as....Should I trade my Rolex Sub for an IWC 3777?

Answer: Never trade out of ROLEX into a lesser brand.

Establish empirically that IWC is a lesser brand than Rolex. Also can you please point out the perpetual calendar that Rolex, the superior brand, produces and compare it to the several examples of perpetual calendars that IWC, the lessor brand, produces? Or the tourbillion? Or the minute repeater? Grande complication? Flyback chrono?

Given that Rolex is "superior", then surely it has a much more extensive selection of sophisticated movements than IWC, perhaps you could enlighten us by comparing the examples I listed above to the ones Superior Brand Rolex produces.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I have an IWC3777. Would I trade a Rolex for it? Absolutely not.

Don't doubt that for a New York second, but subjective opinion != fact.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

It's a bimbo of a watch. Very pretty to look at, but honestly, it's not all that special.

Again: subjective opinion != fact.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I got a deal on one and I bought it....at no "cost" to Rolex. I didn't choose it over a Rolex, I didn't sell or trade a Rolex for it...I simply added it to the collection..

In purchasing it IN LIEU of a Rolex, prima facie you chose it OVER a Rolex. You can twist this all you like, but the choice you made is clear, in both cases.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I'm not saying a person shouldn't explore other brands...BUT if you are in the unfortunate position to have to choose between Rolex and xyz, or sell / trade a Rolex to acquire xyx, then the choice should ALWAYS be ROLEX*

Subjective and not proven empirically, and patently ridiculous on its face. ALS? FPJ? Sheesh..do yourself and us a favor and study the subject a bit before making uninformed and absolutist statements like this, it really doesn't help your cause ya know.

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

* Except for Patek and AP. Then there are other rules that apply...

Yes, that would be the "NEVER" rule. Just kidding....

[nick c]

Originally Posted by improviz

Sigh....



Great. Don't.



Establish empirically that IWC is a lesser brand than Rolex. Also can you please point out the perpetual calendar that Rolex, the superior brand, produces and compare it to the several examples of perpetual calendars that IWC, the lessor brand, produces? Or the tourbillion? Or the minute repeater? Grande complication? Flyback chrono?

Given that Rolex is "superior", then surely it has a much more extensive selection of sophisticated movements than IWC, perhaps you could enlighten us by comparing the examples I listed above to the ones Superior Brand Rolex produces.



Don't doubt that for a New York second, but subjective opinion != fact.



Again: subjective opinion != fact.



In purchasing it IN LIEU of a Rolex, prima facie you chose it OVER a Rolex. You can twist this all you like, but the choice you made is clear, in both cases.



Subjective and not proven empirically, and patently ridiculous on its face. ALS? FPJ? Sheesh..do yourself and us a favor and study the subject a bit before making uninformed and absolutist statements like this, it really doesn't help your cause ya know.



Yes, that would be the "NEVER" rule. Just kidding...

[Ravager135]

Originally Posted by subtona

agree with this and would offer we should remember Panerai is the original big watch.
They sell watches that are the same sizes as they originally produced from their beginning.

it is as if they created the market but had to wait 50 years for it to catch on… like a great painting, if you will


however Panerai's business decisions are another story, i do not believe they have served the customer well with their endless supply of special editions and price gouging on the same imo.

thats where the 000 & 111 come in, fairly priced and consistent favorites. like a submariner:)

I think you are exactly right. What drew me to Panerai was the authenticity of their large size. I previously owned a Navitimer and while I loved that individual watch and sold it for personal reasons, I saw the direction Breitling was heading and I would be lying if I said it didn't affect my decision. Flash forward a couple of years; I have a nice collection of Rolex watches all in the 39-42mm range. I wanted something bigger. The only IWC I really considered was the Big Pilot which is obviously authentic in size, but the enthusiasm I saw for Panerai on this forums is what really got me excited about the brand.

Panerai has always been about 44-47mm watches and while I favor those on the smaller end of the range, the PAM 372 is as close if not closer to the Luminors of the 1950s when compared to the legacy of the Submariner over the years. To me this is an example of what Panerai has done right. I think the 44mm Luminors and 45mm Radiomirs comprise a nice body of work for the brand. The larger Radiomirs, Radiomir 1940s, and Luminor 1950s should stick to the formula the 372 or 587 has. The variation in these larger models and all the different editions is where I get lost. Outside of the 2012 year of Special Editions, I think Panerai has greatly missed the mark.

Just my very very humble opinion of the brand. I like what I have, I might add to it in the future but would be more excited about doing so if OP streamlined a little more.

[Ravager135]

Agree completely. I love IWC perpetual calenders in almost any incarnation. I would add one in a precious metal on an alligator strap over many Rolex watches any day of the week.

[Maxy]

Reading all this, looks like, now is the time to get that first Panerai watch!

[Gregsubc]

I think Panerai's historic styles are fantastic, and the newer models, or contemporary models look great, too. There is something for everyone there. I don't see why they should focus on pleasing just a few people, or cutting back on production. I personally like many models from all of their collections.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by improviz

Sigh....



Great. Don't. Unfortunately this does not "prove" that those who would trade one of their Rolexes for one of those to be wrong, nor does it prove why they should NEVER NEVER NEVER ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY I MEAN NO WAY NEVER NEVER EVER do so, this is what I am awaiting.



Establish empirically that IWC is a lesser brand than Rolex. Also can you please point out the perpetual calendar that Rolex, the superior brand, produces and compare it to the several examples of perpetual calendars that IWC, the lessor brand, produces? Or the tourbillion? Or the minute repeater? Grande complication? Flyback chrono?

Given that Rolex is "superior", then surely it has a much more extensive selection of sophisticated movements than IWC, perhaps you could enlighten us by comparing the examples I listed above to the ones Superior Brand Rolex produces.



Don't doubt that for a New York second, but subjective opinion != fact.



Again: subjective opinion != fact.



In purchasing it IN LIEU of a Rolex, prima facie you chose it OVER a Rolex. You can twist this all you like, but the choice you made is clear, in both cases.



Subjective and not proven empirically, and patently ridiculous on its face. ALS? FPJ? Sheesh..do yourself and us a favor and study the subject a bit before making uninformed and absolutist statements like this, it really doesn't help your cause ya know.



Yes, that would be the "NEVER" rule. Just kidding....

Simmer down....you are way overthinking this...just to put on a show...

Omg...Chill bro' just watches...world peace isn't at stake...

You aren't going to change my mind, so why are you bothering?

I'm not the only one on idk....ROLEXFORUMS...who puts ROLEX first....

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Omg...Chill bro' just watches...world peace isn't at stake...

You aren't going to change my mind, so why are you bothering?

I'm not the only one on idk....ROLEXFORUMS...who puts ROLEX first....

"Bro"...."world peace".... "chill"....

Fleetlord, after all your trolling on this thread and other threads here, this latest post is pretty rich to say the least. Not sure why you keep coming back here, but it is entertaining. Peace out, bro.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

"Bro"...."world peace".... "chill"....

Fleetlord, after all your trolling on this thread and other threads here, this latest post is pretty rich to say the least. Not sure why you keep coming back here, but it is entertaining. Peace out, bro.

No problem chief....

I'm here to discuss can Panerai pull itself from the abyss?

Why are you here, hero?

See you around...

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Simmer down....you are way overthinking this...just to put on a show...

Omg...Chill bro' just watches...world peace isn't at stake...

You aren't going to change my mind, so why are you bothering?

I'm not the only one on idk....ROLEXFORUMS...who puts ROLEX first....

We trying to tell you sell you Pam 000 becuse its ICE COLD

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by nick c

We trying to tell you sell you Pam 000 becuse its ICE COLD

I just bought another PAM actually...

I'll post pics shortly.

See...I'm saving them from the Abyss..

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I just bought another PAM actually...

I'll post pics shortly.

See...I'm saving them from the Abyss..

See I know you love Panerai watches just like me and Cru and others

[improviz]

Originally Posted by nick c

We trying to tell you sell you Pam 000 becuse its ICE COLD

[MichaelFlash]

I've traded 2 of my 3 PAMs in the last year. One of them the Fiddy that I'm glad I did as the value keeps dropping. I agree that they are just making too many variations of the same model and hard to tell the difference between LEs and normal production. I see that as the main reason for the fall of the Fiddy. The only PAM that has caught my attention in the last few years was the Bronzo. That being said, I am currently wearing a submersible on an olive green NATO strap that is my go to beach, summer, etc. watch. I purchased more than 10 years ago and have abused it to death and have yet to service it. I can honestly say it is toughest watch I haver ever owned and will likely never part with it!

[MichaelFlash]

My PAM

[Athas]

PAM 233 with domed crystal. What a great watch equal to my rolex collection.
I don't worry about the price drops.

[WJGESQ]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Ok. Great. Nice picture of a Pam 005.

Here is the picture of MY Pam 000 that you requested.



Now, to address your concerns....

If anyone were to ask me if they should buy a Panerai, I would tell them to go for it...just don't pay too much because their resale isn't what it used to be..

If someone were to ask me if they should buy a Panerai OR a ROLEX, I would tell them to always CHOOSE ROLEX over Panerai.

If someone wanted to trade a ROLEX into a Panerai, I would tell them not to.

If someone wanted to trade a Panerai into a Rolex, I would advise them to..

Choosing Panerai is fine. But if you are in an "either or situation", clearly go with ROLEX.

I say the same about Iwc all the time.....

I have one of those too....



I chose to buy an Iwc....but I didn't choose to buy one OVER a Rolex or trade a Rolex for one... I could do this with Omega, Breitling...etc...but I think you get the point..

My reasons for this is that Rolex is a stronger brand, with more timeless design, versatility of usage, better service and service options, and stronger resale...

Clearly, I am not the only one on ROLEXFORUMS who feels this way. Why you singled me out for a mean spirited attack is beyond me, but if you have nothing else to do, I guess I can live with it...

Hope this helped....

Y

Fleetlord has defended his ground w honor.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Y

Fleetlord has defended his ground w honor.

[nick c]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Y

Fleetlord has defended his ground w honor.

But he forgot to post a pic of is new panerai as promise

[Watch This]

Fleetlord reminds me of the old Monty Python skit...."IM HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT.... NO YOURE NOT".

[Gregsubc]

seems to be a slew of threads on the different forums meant to provoke lately

[sctp39]

Originally Posted by Watch This

Fleetlord reminds me of the old Monty Python skit...."IM HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT.... NO YOURE NOT".

[defender543]

i only want one model of the panerai range its the one i have a 422 all the rest who cares

[mikkolopez]

Loving my 112G so I'm good with Panerai. Don't really care much for the Internet rumor mill.


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[nick c]

Cool the guy talks about panerai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCvwCcEP74Q

[jschmidtdmd]

Pretty crazy to see 249's going to $7500 now from 14k a few short years ago

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

Pretty crazy to see 249's going to $7500 now from 14k a few short years ago

Yeah, that does sound crazy. Too crazy.... I'm seeing 11/12 still.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by nick c

But he forgot to post a pic of is new panerai as promise

You're right!

I totally forgot...

Here:



Pam305 on XL rubber with extra keeper.

Why are oem standard straps so short??

BTW...I think the Panerai price decrease was a BAD MOVE, regardless of the currency fluctuations. It just isn't a very luxury thing to do....

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Y

Fleetlord has defended his ground w honor.

Thank you for recognizing my honorableness. You are a true gentleman!

It is a sad time and perhaps some proof my position of brands such as IWC and Panerai being somewhat weaker than ROLEX in that they have been forced to reduce their asking prices in a crucial market due to currency fluctuations..

Rolex has held FIRM and something has to be said for that...

[nick c]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

You're right!

I totally forgot...

Here:



Pam305 on XL rubber with extra keeper.

Why are oem standard straps so short??

BTW...I think the Panerai price decrease was a BAD MOVE, regardless of the currency fluctuations. It just isn't a very luxury thing to do....

Very nice you are a real paneristi