Advise on a serious trade for a 5131J.

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by lapince

You know I asked my AD if he could get me one, he told me yeah, 2 to 3 years, but I am getting 2 watches this year from him and 1 in 2017, a hard one to get, not as hard as the 5131 but not easy, especially in Europe, but since I am getting these 2, and am paying him upfront for both, he put me on a good spot for the "hard one to get"...

I think you need to buy a few more Pateks before getting a look in for the 5131R Lapince. I know guys who have spent MILLIONS at Patek ADs and still waiting for one so your 2 upcoming wont be enough I feel..Good luck though..

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

Haha some how dont think the 5131R will be made in 5 years time. I have my name at AD I got my 5980R but cant see it ever happening.. I have a Geneva flight end of this month and looking fwd to going to the Patek museum and salon there..

It's like a lottery ticket. If you don't buy you definitely won't win. Look on positive side...every month they make more 5131's and thus they in theory become less scarce! Hope u didn't fly me to Orlando yesterday. My tv didn't work lol

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by KarlS

It's like a lottery ticket. If you don't buy you definitely won't win. Look on positive side...every month they make more 5131's and thus they in theory become less scarce! Hope u didn't fly me to Orlando yesterday. My tv didn't work lol

I agree impossible is nothing and I will keep trying.. And no didnt operate the MCO yesterday, I was there just over a week ago with Tropical cyclone Colin haha.. No TV for all those hours??

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

I agree impossible is nothing and I will keep trying.. And no didnt operate the MCO yesterday, I was there just over a week ago with Tropical cyclone Colin haha.. No TV for all those hours??

The +ve is that's 20000 free miles when I complain!

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by KarlS

The +ve is that's 20000 free miles when I complain!

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[Racerdj]

What a great story! I'm very happy for you!!

Originally Posted by Russell996

I'm that lucky guy.



Clearly this being my first Patek many of you guys have a much better handle on the process and which watches are LE and what this means etc etc.

To the OP, I would depending on your AD and the relationship hang in there for the moment.

A brief history of my purchase. I placed my order back in 2008 for a G, I went to my local family run AD (never purchased from them) and asked to go on their list. They had an order for a J already but mine was the first for a G (J arrived in late 2009). Being a new client they asked some pertinent questions, what other watches did I have, was I local, what were my intentions for the watch etc etc and then simply said yes no problem 'we will put your name forward to Patek'. Now this is where I'm not sure about the usual process and what happened to me - I never received anything from the AD to confirm the order but instead an email from Patek to say I was on the list for a G via the AD. Fast forward to 2015, the G was discontinued and the R introduced (actually my favourite metal), AD and Patek representative at the London Exhibition (http://www.patek.com/en/communicatio...in-london-2015) asked if I was happy to stay on Pateks list for the R instead of the G (yes of course) and so time marched on to January this year when out of the blue I got the call. But, again not sure if this is normal, the call was from the AD to say 'I' had got my allocation and the watch would be leaving Geneva that week 'if' I was in a position to proceed - if not the AD wouldn't receive the watch and Patek would allocate it to another customer via another AD. It would seem depending on the AD (maybe size related) that indeed Patek does exercise direct control over the list for the 5131?

I have nothing but praise for my AD, they were very open throughout the 8 year period that I had little chance of getting the piece but that they would remain positive and that there was absolutely no reason to buy other Patek pieces (not that I was realistically in a position to buy favour) - indeed I attended many events as their guest (still never purchased anything at this point). The final icing on the cake was when I received the allocation call - I had throughout the process mentioned at every occasion that I would love to collect the watch from Geneva if I ever got an allocation. So what do you think the dealer also offered when he phoned to give me the news - they would like to fly my wife and I to Geneva as their guests to collect the watch from the Salon, out to lunch at a superb restaurant and a visit to the museum!

Dreams do come true!

http://www.parkhousethejeweller.com/...k-client-trip/

My 5131R.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

Haha some how dont think the 5131R will be made in 5 years time. I have my name at AD I got my 5980R but cant see it ever happening.. I have a Geneva flight end of this month and looking fwd to going to the Patek museum and salon there..

Leave a lot of time for the Patek Museum. I could probably easily have spent double the time that we had there on our trip. The number of pieces on display is truly stunning and the quality level of the individual examples is simply amazing.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Russell996

...the call was from the AD to say 'I' had got my allocation and the watch would be leaving Geneva that week 'if' I was in a position to proceed - if not the AD wouldn't receive the watch and Patek would allocate it to another customer via another AD. It would seem depending on the AD (maybe size related) that indeed Patek does exercise direct control over the list for the 5131?

I don't think so based on how it was explained to us at the event. It seemed to be more like regions (North America, Europe, etc...) were given a specific number of allocations annually and then from there the regional managers at Patek worked out where those allocations would end up. The part that is unclear to me is how Patek HQ allocates to the regions; as you say in some cases they may have particular individuals in mind, but my guess would be that clients are managed regionally. This wouldn't surprise me given the number of people at the event I was at who had one (or more).

The hypothetical numbers that were thrown around for the 5131 were very low and didn't leave me with a good feeling about getting the email anytime soon especially given the interest level of other people in my group with very impressive Patek collections.

You never know though, the watch is a significant sum of money for many people so it's possible that you might get a chance to jump spots if someone isn't immediately in a position to pick it up or has changed their mind about how much they like the piece during the wait time.

In our case we got to go to the dial factory and watch the process of painting, blotting, then firing a white enamel dial. We also got to meet with someone from the creation department who showed us examples of the different types of enamel (translucent vs. opaque) and the types of colors that can be achieved depending on the background. So I think everyone there left with a real appreciation for the art of enamel.

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by codecow

I don't think so based on how it was explained to us at the event. It seemed to be more like regions (North America, Europe, etc...) were given a specific number of allocations annually and then from there the regional managers at Patek worked out where those allocations would end up. The part that is unclear to me is how Patek HQ allocates to the regions; as you say in some cases they may have particular individuals in mind, but my guess would be that clients are managed regionally. This wouldn't surprise me given the number of people at the event I was at who had one (or more).

The hypothetical numbers that were thrown around for the 5131 were very low and didn't leave me with a good feeling about getting the email anytime soon especially given the interest level of other people in my group with very impressive Patek collections.

You never know though, the watch is a significant sum of money for many people so it's possible that you might get a chance to jump spots if someone isn't immediately in a position to pick it up or has changed their mind about how much they like the piece during the wait time.

In our case we got to go to the dial factory and watch the process of painting, blotting, then firing a white enamel dial. We also got to meet with someone from the creation department who showed us examples of the different types of enamel (translucent vs. opaque) and the types of colors that can be achieved depending on the background. So I think everyone there left with a real appreciation for the art of enamel.

Yes I was explained the same as you would have seen from one if my earlier threads that as its not a LE Geneva didn't allocate but rather to the region and AD. But the thread by Russel996 disproved what Regional Patek had told me so it's very opaque

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by codecow

I don't think so based on how it was explained to us at the event. It seemed to be more like regions (North America, Europe, etc...) were given a specific number of allocations annually and then from there the regional managers at Patek worked out where those allocations would end up. The part that is unclear to me is how Patek HQ allocates to the regions; as you say in some cases they may have particular individuals in mind, but my guess would be that clients are managed regionally. This wouldn't surprise me given the number of people at the event I was at who had one (or more).

The hypothetical numbers that were thrown around for the 5131 were very low and didn't leave me with a good feeling about getting the email anytime soon especially given the interest level of other people in my group with very impressive Patek collections.

You never know though, the watch is a significant sum of money for many people so it's possible that you might get a chance to jump spots if someone isn't immediately in a position to pick it up or has changed their mind about how much they like the piece during the wait time.

In our case we got to go to the dial factory and watch the process of painting, blotting, then firing a white enamel dial. We also got to meet with someone from the creation department who showed us examples of the different types of enamel (translucent vs. opaque) and the types of colors that can be achieved depending on the background. So I think everyone there left with a real appreciation for the art of enamel.

Originally Posted by codecow

Leave a lot of time for the Patek Museum. I could probably easily have spent double the time that we had there on our trip. The number of pieces on display is truly stunning and the quality level of the individual examples is simply amazing.

Wow thanks for the advise and info Louis, love hearing about the 5131 uniqueness of it... I want one even more now

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by KarlS

Yes I was explained the same as you would have seen from one if my earlier threads that as its not a LE Geneva didn't allocate but rather to the region and AD. But the thread by Russel996 disproved what Regional Patek had told me so it's very opaque

Just checked my confirmation email from 2008 and it looks like I was confused and might of misled you guys - email confirmation was from Patek UK so I guess it was Patek UK allocating to me not the factory. Sorry to of confused the process but it would seem that it is a regional allocation to the AD.


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[codecow]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

Wow thanks for the advise and info Louis, love hearing about the 5131 uniqueness of it... I want one even more now

Yeah, they don't do the painted enamel dials at their main dial factory. They have a separate workshop somewhere that doesn't take visitors because the workers prefer isolation so that they can concentrate.

When people wonder about the availability of these pieces consider that in some cases there really are maybe only one or two people who can even do the work for the entire production run. As an example we got to see the guilloche workroom in the dial factory where they hand turn the engravings. There is one master, and one apprentice. That's it. So if you get a guilloched dial like (for example) the new 5320 world time model one of those two guys made it. They're on the top floor of the dial factory and their windows look out at the Swiss countryside.

[KarlS]

We are waiting for pictures Andy!!

[lapince]

Well finally this thread can be closed, I hope he didn't add too much cash, I love the watch but at the retail price, for 100K or more I think it's really not worth it, I know it's all subjective but I wouldn't pay more than 60 for the R or G, not a fan of the J, for that price I would love to get one, but for more I would go on other pieces

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well finally this thread can be closed, I hope he didn't add too much cash, I love the watch but at the retail price, for 100K or more I think it's really not worth it, I know it's all subjective but I wouldn't pay more than 60 for the R or G, not a fan of the J, for that price I would love to get one, but for more I would go on other pieces

If you manage to get one under 100K good luck my friend.. I hear from reliable sources at Patek Geneva that even clients who spent over 2m USD are still waiting, unless you are amazingly lucky like one of our members no way you will get one at retail..

[unknown]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

If you manage to get one under 100K good luck my friend.. I hear from reliable sources at Patek Geneva that even clients who spent over 2m USD are still waiting, unless you are amazingly lucky like one of our members no way you will get one at retail..

yes you can, even twice
withort spending all that money :-)

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by unknown

yes you can, even twice
withort spending all that money :-)

Good for you my friend

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

If you manage to get one under 100K good luck my friend.. I hear from reliable sources at Patek Geneva that even clients who spent over 2m USD are still waiting, unless you are amazingly lucky like one of our members no way you will get one at retail..

Well then I hope to be very lucky, there is no way I will spend 2M in watches, I will have 3 Patek in all within 6 months, have 1, the other is waiting for me at the AD, I am on the list for a 5711, should be in 2017, and if ever there is a really cool Nautilus for the 40th or at Basel then that would make 4, in any case I am on the list for a 5131, the AD is a very cool guy and told me he would do what he can, so fingers crossed, would love a R but would kill for a P, especially that with my 2 incomings, the 5167R and one from an independent in WG, the only metal I will be missing is platinum, yeah YG also but I don't like it so no way I will buy a watch in YG. Anyways it's great you got one, enjoy it, and try to get a Nautilus back when you can, and of course a 5712, which is the best Nautilus IMO

[Jetkopite]

Originally Posted by lapince

Well then I hope to be very lucky, there is no way I will spend 2M in watches, I will have 3 Patek in all within 6 months, have 1, the other is waiting for me at the AD, I am on the list for a 5711, should be in 2017, and if ever there is a really cool Nautilus for the 40th or at Basel then that would make 4, in any case I am on the list for a 5131, the AD is a very cool guy and told me he would do what he can, so fingers crossed, would love a R but would kill for a P, especially that with my 2 incomings, the 5167R and one from an independent in WG, the only metal I will be missing is platinum, yeah YG also but I don't like it so no way I will buy a watch in YG. Anyways it's great you got one, enjoy it, and try to get a Nautilus back when you can, and of course a 5712, which is the best Nautilus IMO

I agree with regards to the 5712.. For me the best Nautilus also and for sure ill have it back soon.. Just need to save up some more now

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Jetkopite

I agree with regards to the 5712.. For me the best Nautilus also and for sure ill have it back soon.. Just need to save up some more now

oh its being discontinued and replaced by a 5712P for 40th Anniversary and LE of 300 pieces

[Chasseur]

Did I miss something concerning 5712P or is it a wish ?

[Chasseur]

until this dream 5712P, here is a real nightmare one


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[KarlS]

I am one of the few that is totally indifferent to the 40th Anniversary...

[Chasseur]

Originally Posted by KarlS

I am one of the few that is totally indifferent to the 40th Anniversary...

no misunderstanding Karl
my question was not mockery
I really wanted if I missed some informations concerning a 5712P

[KarlS]

Originally Posted by Chasseur

no misunderstanding Karl
my question was not mockery
I really wanted if I missed some informations concerning a 5712P

none taken at all....

[Oryx]

I am quite excited. Have always loved the 5711 and 5980 (and the 5990 is growing on me too) have never personally been a fan of the 5712 or 5726.

I am hoping for something very different - maybe a perpetual calander?

Thankfully PP have not used the Nautilus case as extensively as AP have with the RO/ROO however it would be nice to have something special for the 40th anniversary of this iconic reference.

[Jetkopite]

When is the announcement with regards to the 40th??? I have a feeling it will be an anticlimax with very very limited numbers which only the big guns will get their hands on??? Lets see..

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Chasseur

Did I miss something concerning 5712P or is it a wish ?

Just a wish John