Rolex AD and waiting list (UK)

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by DP63

True, its a sureal world for steel sports Rolex at the moment ... but its a fantasy that someone would drop £28k on a watch they dont want just to get the £7k watch they do want? In the real world, you'd just go to the gray dealer and pick it up today for a £3k premium and leave the other £25k in the bank. These watches may not be available immediately at MSRP, but they are not impossible to find, if your desire is immediate and your finances allow it there is no waiting period or list to stress about.

Quite right.

It is upsetting/frustrating to see all the desirable models sat untouched in the Grey dealers windows when the average man on the street is placed on the imaginary waiting list.

The system is broken.

[HappyFish]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Quite right.

It is upsetting/frustrating to see all the desirable models sat untouched in the Grey dealers windows when the average man on the street is placed on the imaginary waiting list.

The system is broken.

That`s why we have that shortage! In former times Rolex was a luxury good - today it`s an average men`s item!

...the system is right! In my opinon we need more shortage and higher prices to squeeze the average out! Only that way Rolex can hold it`s status symbol character it survived with all the decades the average man didn`t wear a Rolex!

[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by HappyFish

That`s why we have that shortage! In former times Rolex was a luxury good - today it`s an average men`s item!

...the system is right! In my opinon we need more shortage and higher prices to squeeze the average out! Only that way Rolex can hold it`s status symbol character it survived with all the decades the average man didn`t wear a Rolex!

You sound charming.


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[OmegaJJH]

Originally Posted by HappyFish

In former times Rolex was a luxury good

I whole heartedly disagree.

In former times a Rolex was a tool watch. It has become a luxury good.



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[HappyFish]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

I whole heartedly disagree.

In former times a Rolex was a tool watch. It has become a luxury good.



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Divers, Travellers, racing car drivers, dictators only?! Come on!!!

Rolex is , was and hopefully will always be luxury!

[997.2]

Originally Posted by HappyFish

That`s why we have that shortage! In former times Rolex was a luxury good - today it`s an average men`s item!

...the system is right! In my opinon we need more shortage and higher prices to squeeze the average out! Only that way Rolex can hold it`s status symbol character it survived with all the decades the average man didn`t wear a Rolex!

Oof


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[DP63]

Means testing, thats what we need!!!!!!!

If the plebians persist in buying our precious watches, we should beat them to within an inch of their lives with a stout switch and sell their children in to servitude. That should teach them.

Let them buy Invicta ...

[Maverick_1908]

Originally Posted by DPE

Is this fair ? I thought when you put your name on a waiting list with a Rolex AD it meant you would be dealt with in turn. I went into my Rolex AD in Guildford, Surrey, UK. The AD is called Prestons. So almost 2 years ago I put my details on the list ready for a Daytona with a Black or White Face.



Today I called into the AD to ask where I am now on the waiting list ? The answer was this. "The Manager will decide on the list who she contacts. It is in No order of how long you have been on the list, she will decide".



If they expect Loyality, then they should also give it back. I was also going to buy a Tudor from them, not now.....

Lists are a lie for the most part. They sell daytonas to their big customers.


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[In-Cog-Neeto]

Originally Posted by DP63

Means testing, thats what we need!!!!!!!

If the plebians persist in buying our precious watches, we should beat them to within an inch of their lives with a stout switch and sell their children in to servitude. That should teach them.

Let them buy Invicta ...

Here here

[jaySL350]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

My AD is Aurum too.

I was told when they get an allocation piece they get supplied a list from head office which has presumably been vetted - they have access to all WOS, M&W and Goldsmiths lists as well as the purchase history of every customer in all their stores. The list is 10 long and they go down the list. I happened to inquire about an allocation piece whilst picking another watch up and was offered it if the AD rang everybody on the list and they turned it down. I got that watch the next day so the AD has some latitude (for a variety of reasons I suspect the AD didn’t ring everybody on the list, as it happens).

I was also told that ultra-high demand pieces (his example was the BLRO) get allocated by head office before they ever hit the store. The AD manager then get told Mr High Roller is coming in tomorrow to pick up a BLRO, please do the needful”.

Yes,
I believe it’s exactly like that,,
Makes sense ,,,

[Sandpit]

Spoke to Goldsmiths tonight. I thought I was on a list but they said lists don’t exist anymore and that watches are allocated by a manager of some sort at Watches of Switzerland. He did say that buying something else would significantly help my case. Not very helpful really.

[jaySL350]

Originally Posted by Sandpit

Spoke to Goldsmiths tonight. I thought I was on a list but they said lists don’t exist anymore and that watches are allocated by a manager of some sort at Watches of Switzerland. He did say that buying something else would significantly help my case. Not very helpful really.

That’s a unhelpful response from Goldsmiths,,
Can I ask what list you thought you were on ? As in what watch you wanted,


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[jaySL350]

Originally Posted by Nairn1980

In the UK Asians are seen as Indians and Pakistanis.
Chinese are known as Chinese and not termed as Asian (UK only)

Exactly,,



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[HappyFish]

Brexit=lost your wait lists!

[Daveclock]

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

Please excuse my ignorance but if we were to purchase a watch in the US and pay taxes there surely we wouldn't need to pay VAT again when re-entering the UK? There is no requirement to pay VAT twice?

I could understand that if you bought the watch in the US (Tax free) then you would need to pay VAT upon your return.

Is this not the case?

Many thanks in advance (as i'm seriously considering it for my next purchase).

VAT is due as you are effectively importing it into the UK

If posted duty is also added to the shipping charges

[Sandpit]

Originally Posted by jaySL350

That’s a unhelpful response from Goldsmiths,,
Can I ask what list you thought you were on ? As in what watch you wanted,


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Black Sub Date. I went in last summer to one in Manchester and the guy was nice enough to add me on and said I was 30th in the queue and he expected it would take 6 months. So I thought I’d give them a ring to now be told it’s purely on an allocation basis. The phone call yesterday effectively ended in “don’t hold your breath, you might get lucky but if you buy something else that will help your cause”.

I think I’ll just stick with getting one in Dubai now. I only went to the UK branch as I thought it might help me get a BLRO in the future.

[SS Oyster]

OP - what the AD told you was the truth. Whomever put you on the list and gave you an expectation that they will call their way down that list and only that list when those coveted watches arrive was lying through their teeth.

Rolex can get away with this because if you tell them to pack sand, the next person will buy. They have an overload of customers for their prized watches, so they leverage them towards prior and future business from those who can afford to “make it rain” even on less sought after references to keep the AD going when chips are down.

For every “lucky dog” we hear about on here who claims to have just walked in and found a rack of SS Daytonas and telling us there is no shortage, there are a thousand people waiting aimlessly on “lists” somewhere to which no one pays attention.


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[DP63]

Originally Posted by SS Oyster

OP - what the AD told you was the truth. Whomever put you on the list and gave you an expectation that they will call their way down that list and only that list when those coveted watches arrive was lying through their teeth.




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Exactly.

[Number3]

Originally Posted by HappyFish

Brexit=lost your wait lists!

[strafer_kid]

I think it is prudent not to rely too much or put too much faith in lists. Various other circumstances or factors could come to play on any given day that could see a watch simply heading elsewhere despite the list and any undertakings previously given, resulting in further disappointment and frustration.

[Henry99]

i got a call from my ad this morning about submariner no date which i already bought 2 months ago from them. they forget to take my name out. if anyone is interesting no date sub call fraser hart brent cross good luck. also, they have explorer 2 polar dial on stradford westfield branch on display.

[playing4time]

Originally Posted by TickTockChuck

Put your name on multiple AD "waiting lists" for a bit of insurance in case one plays games. This is providing you don't need to plunk down a deposit. Too bad the Daytona creates so much angst. There really is a surplus of watches worldwide as sales have dramatically slumped, but I guess not yet in the UK. Good luck. Cheers!

Potentially a stupid question, but is there any downside on being on multiple AD lists? Do they all ultimately filter back to Rolex somehow and it’s then frowned upon by them, or is it just managed at the AD level?

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by Henry99

i got a call from my ad this morning about submariner no date which i already bought 2 months ago from them. they forget to take my name out. if anyone is interesting no date sub call fraser hart brent cross good luck. also, they have explorer 2 polar dial on stradford westfield branch on display.

I’m sure someone will snap that up

[emtee]

Originally Posted by playing4time

Potentially a stupid question, but is there any downside on being on multiple AD lists? Do they all ultimately filter back to Rolex somehow and it’s then frowned upon by them, or is it just managed at the AD level?

Yes in the UK vast majority of AD’s are owned by WOS and they apparently don’t take kindly to people getting on multiple lists across their stores.

[Bizcut1]

Quote from my AD -"there is no list."

I believe him.

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by playing4time

Potentially a stupid question, but is there any downside on being on multiple AD lists? Do they all ultimately filter back to Rolex somehow and it’s then frowned upon by them, or is it just managed at the AD level?

First thing to note is that in most AD’s, there isn’t really a list in the sense of a chronologically ordered hierarchy of customers. The hierarchy is ordered, but in a different way.

I posted on this thread (about a year ago!) to the effect that WOS Group AD’s (WOS, Goldsmiths and Mappin & Webb) all have centralised “lists” - meaning that allocation of hot watches has to be approved above the level of the AD itself, though the AD manager has discretion too. If you were on multiple WOS Group lists they would know about it and possibly peg you as a flipper. Before I settled on one AD, I went to about a dozen AD’s, getting on “the list” for a BLNR. All of them but one were WOS group and 2.5 years later I have had zero contact from any of them except the one Aurum AD that got me the watch after a few months and an independent AD that contacted me as they were managing their list after the release of 126710BLNR.

So you’d be safe getting on one WOS Group list and various independent lists (Rolex doesn’t know about or care who gets the watches, aside from not wanting them to be flipped quickly for profit) though the problem there is most independents will prioritise local customers - indeed one AD I went to a while back (in Bournemouth) basically wouldn’t talk to me unless I could prove I lived in Dorset.

[DYJ150]

Originally Posted by DPE

Is this fair ? I thought when you put your name on a waiting list with a Rolex AD it meant you would be dealt with in turn. I went into my Rolex AD in Guildford, Surrey, UK. The AD is called Prestons. So almost 2 years ago I put my details on the list ready for a Daytona with a Black or White Face.

Today I called into the AD to ask where I am now on the waiting list ? The answer was this. "The Manager will decide on the list who she contacts. It is in No order of how long you have been on the list, she will decide".

If they expect Loyality, then they should also give it back. I was also going to buy a Tudor from them, not now.....

Almost exactly the same story from an AD close (ish) by in Horsham (Wakefields was the AD).

I love my LV and BLNR but I am sick of this...My next watch will be an Apollo 8 speedy, ive had nothing but outstanding service on my 57.

[playing4time]

Originally Posted by Zakalwe

First thing to note is that in most AD’s, there isn’t really a list in the sense of a chronologically ordered hierarchy of customers. The hierarchy is ordered, but in a different way.

I posted on this thread (about a year ago!) to the effect that WOS Group AD’s (WOS, Goldsmiths and Mappin & Webb) all have centralised “lists” - meaning that allocation of hot watches has to be approved above the level of the AD itself, though the AD manager has discretion too. If you were on multiple WOS Group lists they would know about it and possibly peg you as a flipper. Before I settled on one AD, I went to about a dozen AD’s, getting on “the list” for a BLNR. All of them but one were WOS group and 2.5 years later I have had zero contact from any of them except the one Aurum AD that got me the watch after a few months and an independent AD that contacted me as they were managing their list after the release of 126710BLNR.

So you’d be safe getting on one WOS Group list and various independent lists (Rolex doesn’t know about or care who gets the watches, aside from not wanting them to be flipped quickly for profit) though the problem there is most independents will prioritise local customers - indeed one AD I went to a while back (in Bournemouth) basically wouldn’t talk to me unless I could prove I lived in Dorset.

This is super helpful - thanks! So now I just need to hunt around ADs in London to find my desired piece!

[Zakalwe]

Originally Posted by playing4time

This is super helpful - thanks! So now I just need to hunt around ADs in London to find my desired piece!

No worries bud.

You decided on a Yachtmaster in the end? Which dial? You should be good for one of those before October.

[wb55]

Originally Posted by Nairn1980

I’m sure someone will snap that up

I'm sure they already did. Post is a year old. (I was just about to call)