Nautilus VS Datejust

[chazha]

For me 5711 is just a horrible looking watch. Of both watches were available at $5000 I would still be the DJ. It's not that I'm a massive fan of DJ but after I've tried 5711, it definitely convinced me that it's not worth the money let alone for the ridiculous price tag on the gray market.
Imagine if 5711 had Rolex name on it and comes with the similar price range as the DJ. Which on would you choose.

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[Veeck]

Very slight on paper, in actual aquanaut wears bigger than nautilus unless if is a 5980 or 5990 which is thicker and visually wider with the chrono pushers.

[SL BRABUS]

This....^^^....

Originally Posted by Rodolfo_4

Quick question for the Patek experts

Is the aquanaut case bigger than the nautilus?

Because i tried out a friends nautilus, and it is just to small for me.

From my Patek Philippe catalogue spec:

Aquanaut 5167 and 5164 case diameter (10-4 o' clock) is 40.8mm

The case height is 8.1mm for the 5167 & 10.2mm for the 5164

VS

Nautilus 5711 and 5712 case diameter (10-4 o' clock) is 40mm

The case height is 8.3mm for the 5711 & 8.52mm for the 5712

The Aquanaut is bigger in spec and wear bigger in person then the Nautilus...





My 5167 wear as big or bigger then my Rolex Sub C LV..^^^.. Sorry I don't have the side by side pictures comparison.....

But thanks to tyler1980 & tonupbklyn they have side by side pictures comparison....

[sensui]

This is one of those strange debates heh. I think no one can argue Rolex got Patek beat on sports watches in general if you want to talk about functionality/robustness....but the finishing/movement complication/details on a Patek sports watch is in a total different league than Rolex....this is just fact and not really debatable. It's really about what one looks for, not really saying 1 is better than the other.

[dddrees]

Well call me stupid because I guess I'm just stuck with this. However the one thing you don't see in this picture is the smile on my face.

[dddrees]

Frankly, I'm so stupid I went for two. Two Pateks when if you think about it the Timex Iron Man is probably just like the Nautilus and Aquanaut. So I don't even understand when you could get the Timex Iron Man why one would even bother with a Rolex.

[dddrees]

Man am I dumb. If I only thought about it I could have gotten a Swatch. Then again maybe I should have gotten an Apple instead????? I mean isn't the Apple just like a Sub?

[tudorwatches]

Originally Posted by RHIII

This is like comparing apples to pizza.

Patek>Rolex

I had a long response written - but think this covers it all...




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Agree.. why not buy a seiko 5.. also comes close.

[faz]

Learned a lot from this thread.

Personally not a fan of most Pateks’ styling, and will definitely pick the DD over a SS Nautilus any day, but I do appreciate the brand’s status and exclusivity.

Now Richard Mille, boy, wouldn’t buy one if it sold for $50. 🤪


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[cascavel]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Well call me stupid because I guess I'm just stuck with this. However the one thing you don't see in this picture is the smile on my face.

I feel your pain. Try to be brave.

[Mephist]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Man am I dumb. If I only thought about it I could have gotten a Swatch. Then again maybe I should have gotten an Apple instead????? I mean isn't the Apple just like a Sub?

Either you did not read my initial post or you did not understand my question.
It was about the specific 5711 Nautilus and Datejust. Not an automatic swatch or a future automatic Apple watch or any other Patek or Rolex. I am asking what you get for the 20k extra. Are you paying 20k extra for the brand name? does it got a better movement? Or is it something else? Many says the craftmanship of a 5711 Nautilus is much better then that of a Datejust. That may be, but it is very hard to see from the pictures and I have not hold one or seen one in real life so I am asking the question. Some also says it is a much lower supply then the Datejust. This I have no doubt about and absolutely deserves a premium. But maybe not a 20k premium?

I was not trying to offend someone or saying the 5711 is not worth the price tag. I just wanted to know what the reasons for the price are compared to a Datejust. Both considered luxury items and high end watches.

Patek in my opinion is known for great complications, 5711 does not have it. They are also known for dress watches. I would argue the Nautilus is more of a sports watch or versatile watch. They are known for great finishing and craftmanship, while it is easy to see the craftmanship on several of the Patek's it is not very obvious on the 5711. I think it has a great design no doubt but that is something different. Also it is not like you often hear about a Datejust with poor finishing or "craftmanship" if you can call it that. It is not like the sticks on the dial fall off, they are quite flawless. Yes Datejust is produced in a much higher volume. But does that give it a poor finish or bad craftmanship? Perhaps Rolex employs 200 watchmakers and Patek only 20?

I see many also take this as a Rolex vs Patek thread, it is not. Rolex and Patek is two completely different watchmakers with different style and strategy. However wean it comes to the 5711 Nautilus it seems like Patek are stepping into Rolex's domain. With a more sporty watch, only a date complications, and a relatively minimalist design.

However I see in hindsight I should have addressed this thread to people who own or have owned both a Datejust and a Nautilus. To hear their experience and opinions. And some of them have actually shared valuable information of their experiences and opinions and it is much appreciated. But I think most that have responded here, respond based on what they read on the internet or have heard other people say without actually tried on a Nautilus or maybe even seen one in real life.

Anyway thanks all for the responses.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Frankly, I'm so stupid I went for two. Two Pateks when if you think about it the Timex Iron Man is probably just like the Nautilus and Aquanaut. So I don't even understand when you could get the Timex Iron Man why one would even bother with a Rolex.

Because most people want to show prestige, that "they made it" to other people. And what best than a Rolex watch thanks to Rolex's amazing marketing (this touches the average Joe who is doing well for himself). Someone who purchases a Patek also want to show prestige and that they made it, but to the people who know about watches - they are past impressing the average Joe doing well for himself.
After wall that's what these items are, LUXURY watches. Definition of luxury according to google: "a state of great comfort or elegance, especially when involving great expense"
Luxury by definition is made to impress others, unless you are born in an extremely wealthy family and are used to this specific lifestyle.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Mephist

Either you did not read my initial post or you did not understand my question.
It was about the specific 5711 Nautilus and Datejust. Not an automatic swatch or a future automatic Apple watch or any other Patek or Rolex. I am asking what you get for the 20k extra. Are you paying 20k extra for the brand name? does it got a better movement? Or is it something else? Many says the craftmanship of a 5711 Nautilus is much better then that of a Datejust. That may be, but it is very hard to see from the pictures and I have not hold one or seen one in real life so I am asking the question. Some also says it is a much lower supply then the Datejust. This I have no doubt about and absolutely deserves a premium. But maybe not a 20k premium?

I was not trying to offend someone or saying the 5711 is not worth the price tag. I just wanted to know what the reasons for the price are compared to a Datejust. Both considered luxury items and high end watches.

Patek in my opinion is known for great complications, 5711 does not have it. They are also known for dress watches. I would argue the Nautilus is more of a sports watch or versatile watch. They are known for great finishing and craftmanship, while it is easy to see the craftmanship on several of the Patek's it is not very obvious on the 5711. I think it has a great design no doubt but that is something different. Also it is not like you often hear about a Datejust with poor finishing or "craftmanship" if you can call it that. It is not like the sticks on the dial fall off, they are quite flawless.

I see many also take this as a Rolex vs Patek thread, it is not. Rolex and Patek is two completely different watchmakers with different style and strategy. However wean it comes to the 5711 Nautilus it seems like Patek are stepping into Rolex's domain. With a more sporty watch, only a date complications, and a relatively minimalist design.

However I see in hindsight I should have addressed this thread to people who own or have owned both a Datejust and a Nautilus. To hear their experience and opinions. And some of them have actually shared valuable information of their experiences and opinions and it is much appreciated. But I think most that have responded here, respond based on what they read on the internet or have heard other people say without actually tried on a Nautilus or maybe even seen one in real life.

Anyway thanks all for the responses.

Agree with you. Only handled a Nautilus and it didn't do much for me purely based on design and feel on the wrist.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Because most people want to show prestige, that "they made it" to other people. And what best than a Rolex watch thanks to Rolex's amazing marketing (this touches the average Joe who is doing well for himself). Someone who purchases a Patek also want to show prestige and that they made it, but to the people who know about watches - they are past impressing the average Joe doing well for himself.
After wall that's what these items are, LUXURY watches. Definition of luxury according to google: "a state of great comfort or elegance, especially when involving great expense"
Luxury by definition is made to impress others, unless you are born in an extremely wealthy family and are used to this specific lifestyle.

Most and I would say hardly anyone has any idea what brand of watch I am wearing whether it be Rolex, Patek, or Michael Koors. If your into trying to impressing others might I suggest you buy a Ferrari because I think you might have better luck in achieving that goal rather than purchasing a little old watch that most would have no clue as to what it is. In fact I would say a good portion of people who even attend some of the parties I've attended at my AD don't even know.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Agree with you. Only handled a Nautilus and it didn't do much for me purely based on design and feel on the wrist.

And I would disagree. But then again tell me which choices you made and I might just tell you why I don't like those.


Just great that there are so many choices because rarely would everyone agree.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Mephist

Either you did not read my initial post or you did not understand my question.
It was about the specific 5711 Nautilus and Datejust. Not an automatic swatch or a future automatic Apple watch or any other Patek or Rolex. I am asking what you get for the 20k extra. Are you paying 20k extra for the brand name? does it got a better movement? Or is it something else? Many says the craftmanship of a 5711 Nautilus is much better then that of a Datejust. That may be, but it is very hard to see from the pictures and I have not hold one or seen one in real life so I am asking the question. Some also says it is a much lower supply then the Datejust. This I have no doubt about and absolutely deserves a premium. But maybe not a 20k premium?

I was not trying to offend someone or saying the 5711 is not worth the price tag. I just wanted to know what the reasons for the price are compared to a Datejust. Both considered luxury items and high end watches.

Patek in my opinion is known for great complications, 5711 does not have it. They are also known for dress watches. I would argue the Nautilus is more of a sports watch or versatile watch. They are known for great finishing and craftmanship, while it is easy to see the craftmanship on several of the Patek's it is not very obvious on the 5711. I think it has a great design no doubt but that is something different. Also it is not like you often hear about a Datejust with poor finishing or "craftmanship" if you can call it that. It is not like the sticks on the dial fall off, they are quite flawless. Yes Datejust is produced in a much higher volume. But does that give it a poor finish or bad craftmanship? Perhaps Rolex employs 200 watchmakers and Patek only 20?

I see many also take this as a Rolex vs Patek thread, it is not. Rolex and Patek is two completely different watchmakers with different style and strategy. However wean it comes to the 5711 Nautilus it seems like Patek are stepping into Rolex's domain. With a more sporty watch, only a date complications, and a relatively minimalist design.

However I see in hindsight I should have addressed this thread to people who own or have owned both a Datejust and a Nautilus. To hear their experience and opinions. And some of them have actually shared valuable information of their experiences and opinions and it is much appreciated. But I think most that have responded here, respond based on what they read on the internet or have heard other people say without actually tried on a Nautilus or maybe even seen one in real life.

Anyway thanks all for the responses.

Why not ask why your paying so much more for a Rolex vs any other SS Watch? Why would one pay so much more for a Daytona vs a Speedy? Yes there might be some material concrete differences but are there really that much more to justify the actual differences in price?

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by cascavel

I feel your pain. Try to be brave.

Well regardless of what others say, I still feel I made the right choice for me. Feel free to choose what works best for you.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Most and I would say hardly anyone has any idea what brand of watch I am wearing whether it be Rolex, Patek, or Michael Koors. If your into trying to impressing others might I suggest you buy a Ferrari because I think you might have better luck in achieving that goal rather than purchasing a little old watch that most would have no clue as to what it is. In fact I would say a good portion of people who even attend some of the parties I've attended at my AD don't even know.

People might not know the designs, but everyone knows the Rolex brand name. Just like luxury designers like Chanel, Burberry etc.
The same can't be said for Patek, except for people interested in mechanical watches, which is what the buyer of Patek watches wants to emphasize on - catch the interest of these people who are in the know. I wouldn't buy a ferrari to impress people in the watch game, but I would to impress people in the car game (as opposed to a mercedes for instance).

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

People might not know the designs, but everyone knows the Rolex brand name. Just like luxury designers like Chanel, Burberry etc.
The same can't be said for Patek, except for people interested in mechanical watches, which is what the buyer of Patek watches wants to emphasize on - catch the interest of these people who are in the know. I wouldn't buy a ferrari to impress people in the watch game, but I would to impress people in the car game (as opposed to a mercedes for instance).

So, they know the name. If they don't recognize the design as I do then they still have no clue what I am wearing. Not many people get close enough or give a crap to try and look at the brand name on my watch. Fact remains that the vast majority have no clue as to what brand or watches I wear. Good thing if you ask me.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by dddrees

So, they know the name. If they don't recognize the design as I do then they still have no clue what I am wearing. Not many people get close enough or give a crap to try and look at the brand name on my watch. Fact remains that the vast majority have no clue as to what brand or watches I wear. Good thing if you ask me.

what i get a lot is "is that a Rolex" as its obviously a nice watch. When it is and i say "yes" as i'm not going to lie then thats where the brand recognition comes in. When its a Patek or something I can say "No", and thats the end of the discussion as people don't care.

Ive said before, when i go home to my hometown i wont wear my Rolex's for that reason. People think im wearing it to show off or something, which is ridiculous.

[Mephist]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Why not ask why your paying so much more for a Rolex vs any other SS Watch? Why would one pay so much more for a Daytona vs a Speedy?

First of all because I was wondering about the Datejust and Nautilus, if I ever wonder about the Daytona or Speedy I will ask that question then.

Originally Posted by dddrees

Yes there might be some material concrete differences but are there really that much more to justify the actual differences in price?

I do not know, that is why I asked the question

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

what i get a lot is "is that a Rolex" as its obviously a nice watch. When it is and i say "yes" as i'm not going to lie then thats where the brand recognition comes in. When its a Patek or something I can say "No", and thats the end of the discussion as people don't care.

Ive said before, when i go home to my hometown i wont wear my Rolex's for that reason. People think im wearing it to show off or something, which is ridiculous.

Very, very different from my experience. They don't know and I don't say. What I wear is strictly for my enjoyment. Too bad you aren't in a position that you feel you can do the same.

[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Very, very different from my experience. They don't know and I don't say. What I wear is strictly for my enjoyment. Too bad you aren't in a position that you feel you can do the same.

I think Tyler is saying that he prefers to keep a low profile and also wears the watches for his own enjoyment..

[watchwatcher]

Love the Nautilus. One of my big regrets was not snapping up one up a few years ago when they were around 20k or so.

As to the intent of the thread...I don't think anyone here would argue that the DJ delivers a lot of bang for the buck and is a robust, consistent performer. It does have that niche secured in the marketplace, and has for years.

Now to the Nautilus however...it is one of those watches that is coveted, and treasured. I've had DJ's galore come and go, but I am about as sure as I can be that if I had actually picked up a Nautilus, it wouldn't be going anywhere. Ever.

What's the difference? I don't know if I could rightly explain. But if I could go back in a time machine...the Nautilus would be at the top of my list.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Mephist

First of all because I was wondering about the Datejust and Nautilus, if I ever wonder about the Daytona or Speedy I will ask that question then.



I do not know, that is why I asked the question

Typically when it comes to luxury goods as the cost goes even higher the actual concrete differences just do not. It's called the law of diminishing return. If I were to purchase a pair of Good Year Welted shoes from Allen Edmonds they would cost me a little over $300. However if I choose to buy a pair of Edward Green they would cost me north of $1000.


Neither pair has a life expectancy that would be any greater than the other. Both can be resoled multiple times. Both will get me from point A to point B. One may fit better but depending on your foot that could be either the cheaper or the more expensive pair. All depends on your foot.

So why did I choose to pay more for so many from Edward Green. I choose for reasons other than how long they would last. T

Typically some of these same reasons may apply to other top tier brands regardless of good. Craftmanship, fit, finish, and how refined they are, and some of the material being used maybe a bit better. A bit of gold in the Patek and better leather in the pair of Edward Green shoes. The level of detail and quality control although in Rolex they tend to excel in this area.

Do you think anyone really knows what brand of shoes or watches I wear? No they do not.

Everything else has pretty much been a bit of fun on my part. Are any of these differences and minute in some cases worth it? Only you can determine that. Thing is can you even see the difference and do you think that would be worth it to you? Only you can make that decision. For me it's all about these little things that make it enjoyable to me. I notice the small details and it's worth it to me.

Take some time and look around. The answer you search for may not be answered quite yet in this thread. If you look around a bit you may just find a bit more to base your answer on.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

I think Tyler is saying that he prefers to keep a low profile and also wears the watches for his own enjoyment..

Understand


I'm saying I don't have too as no one even notices. I don't have to worry or base my choices on others or what they might think..

[Dilemma]

All I know is my next acquisition will be a DateJust. Blue dial, fluted bezel. Yup. That’s the one.

[szabo_martin]

I have both Patek and Roelx. They're different... as mentioned to most mortals an 8k watch is "stupid" so a 50k watch is unimaginable. Most people buy a Rolex because it gets noticed, and they feel short changed when they're PP doesn't. I personally like that not every person on the street knows what a Patek is, I know what it is and that's what matters to me. I also prefer Brunello Cucinelli to Prada/Gucci etc. for the same reason. If robustness is your measuring stick you can by a G-Shock which is more durable and accurate then either. Rolex is a marvel in how they have mastered quality control on a mass produced item, they've taken it into the stratosphere. I love them all, along with my Panerai, and Omega etc.... they're all different

[np2016]

I recently picked up my first Patek a 5167A a few months back from my AD. The fit, finish, quality, and workmanship is on a different level compared to Rolex. Pictures don't do any Patek justice until you try It on in person and then you will understand what your paying for. On paper it may be difficult for some to justify the price difference but in person it's not. Rolex makes a terrific reliable tool watch you can beat the hell out of while Patek makes works of art for your wrist. Both brands create watches for a completely different purpose. I love both brands along with AP.

[Dilemma]

Most people buy a Rolex because it gets noticed

NOBODY notices watches but other watch geeks.