Waitlists and AD antics, grays and flippers....

[MinMay]

Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

I was in NYC several months ago and a guy walked into the 5th ave store just after I had walked into to see what they had(nothing but DJ and a few DDs) and blew up at the saleslady. He said he had been to 7 stores in his recent travels in Europe and the US and had tried to buy a Pepsi and a Dayonta and was laughed at or told no way he could get on a list. He went off and yelled then why does Rolex have billboards in every airport and big city with a SS Pepsi on them if I can't buy one. The saleslady just shrugged her shoulders.

how sad to see another example of grown crybabies. These crybabies need some help seriously. If you push the wrong button then they might become dangerous. A lot of anger in them. You can spot some members on this forum with such anger.

[ALF61]

Originally Posted by FistFlight

I’ve been one foot in and another out for the past week. I’ll say ciao soon enough myself.

Thankfully. I expect references to become more and more available if your attitude becomes a trend.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by sinkholeninja

Nobody can predict black swans.

Almost true, I've predicted no black swans just around the corner, like many here have, for the last two years, so all those who would have sold a commodity no matter what it was early at the first threat of a bubble would have lost out, which is the way most amateurs lose out in momentum markets, selling too soon and talking endlessly about tulips, and not riding the wave. Be ready and move when the market moves, don't try to predict crashes, that is just betting.

[FistFlight]

Originally Posted by ALF61

Thankfully. I expect references to become more and more available if your attitude becomes a trend.

You are welcome

[seabreeze60]

Originally Posted by maxymax

Sorry, my friend, got to disagree. IMHO, this is one of the major contributors to the current availability & price mess. Almost every TS starts off as a flipper. Stick to your local ADs and wait it out. It is just a watch. Don't add more fuel to the fire.

Of course you are correct! But my TS purchased my older PM Rolexes at a good price and had the Sub I wanted. A good trade.

Also, it’s not just a watch. Casio is a watch. Rolex is what we make of it on TRF.

[Watchflair]

The watch world has changed drastically over the past few years. The topography is different than it was 10 even 5 years ago.

Now with the 'community' created by all of the forums and social media there is more knowledge, demand, and hype for so called 'hot' pieces.

Actions designed to discourage flipping - not the worst thing for the average collector as most of us in here have an end goal of just having these pieces for personal use and enjoyment.

As far as supply - it is what it is. Most manufacturers of mass products at some point or another encounter supply issues. It is the lack of supply though that has created such a market value increase for the pieces many of us already have. If Rolex were to meet that demand then the price would come down - something I personally hope doesn't happen anytime soon.

Yes it absolutely stinks we all can't walk in and purchase any SS piece our heart desires - but there are positives created by this as well.

[red1108nyc]

Respect your view buddy Gus and don’t feel much different from you. I have certainly gone into other brands (voted with my wallet) and glad I did.

Hope all is well!

[HL65]

Guess you have to ex Patek and AP as well Gus not to mention RM. FPJ too if you want a certain watch with a blue dial which you already have. The entire watch market is plain silly period. It isn’t a Rolex issue it’s a market issue and everyone is chasing the same handful of watches. Plenty of Rolex, Patek, AP, FPJ can be had, just not the ones many of us want.

[daOnlyBG]

Originally Posted by oldman2005

Can be ordered and according local AD it will be available for pick up in 3 weeks. DJ is Rolex bread and butter but the same can't be said for SS sport watches

I believe you, but I'd like to know which AD you speak of. Mine said that Datejust 41s can't be ordered.

[Locust]

You can order two tone, not steel. My AD told me any two tone can be ordered now.

[prezidente]

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around so many people clamoring to blow 10 grand on a watch ... let alone several watches! What a stark contrast from those scary times in 2009 through 2014 or so.

[uhren917]

Visiting an AD used to be a fun experience. With no watches now that I prefer, it is just not the same.

[jonnyz1245]

Originally Posted by HL65

Guess you have to ex Patek and AP as well Gus not to mention RM. FPJ too if you want a certain watch with a blue dial which you already have. The entire watch market is plain silly period. It isn’t a Rolex issue it’s a market issue and everyone is chasing the same handful of watches. Plenty of Rolex, Patek, AP, FPJ can be had, just not the ones many of us want.

Pretty much sums it up Ken For whatever reason, be it social media or other hype, the market has gravitated to approx 7 Rolex watches, 2 Pateks and their variants within the model line,2 or 3 AP's, RM, and a FPJ. Its crazy and silly out there in the watch world for sure.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by dtwer

This is the wisdom.

I don't think it is.
There are a lot of 'us' that 'care', witness the response here.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by daOnlyBG

I believe you, but I'd like to know which AD you speak of. Mine said that Datejust 41s can't be ordered.

ADs can order anything,they just do not have control over what Rolex sends them.Simple

[PeterC4]

Originally Posted by daOnlyBG

I encourage you to go to your nearest AD and ask to try on any blue dial Datejust 41.

+1 Black and Blue dialed SS Datejusts are very much in demand.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

Pretty much sums it up Ken For whatever reason, be it social media or other hype, the market has gravitated to approx 7 Rolex watches, 2 Pateks and their variants within the model line,2 or 3 AP's, RM, and a FPJ. Its crazy and silly out there in the watch world for sure.

Money chases money, once something is targeted and shows a little price appreciation then price/demand momentum will see it take off in this environment.

[PeterC4]

The problem is that demand for certain Rolex models is so strong that the retail price is perceived to be low. We all know Rolex expends lot of effort to ensure they manufacture a quality product and many of their processes are in-house. But even at retail, a $10,000, or more, stainless steel watch is an astounding price - to me anyway.

But that price is reinforced by the demand. You can flip a Daytona for a neat profit the day after you buy it. Not that all purchasers do, but we have been conditioned to think that the retail price is such a good deal, we go on "waiting lists" for the privilege of buying one of the these very highly priced watches.

Let's face it, Rolex marketing is working, so far.

[Jamie1111]

[QUOTE=PeterC4;We all know Rolex expends lot of effort to ensure they manufacture a quality product and many of their processes are in-house.[/QUOTE]


Which parts as of 2019 aren’t in house??




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[RolyMoly]

I think it’s fascinating that a company this old creates this type of supply/demand issues in a market that’s not a necessity.

I’ll always be a fan. And in the meantime I’ll collect Rolexes after waiting for them and enjoy buying some other Brand’s pieces.

[PeterC4]

Originally Posted by Jamie1111

Which parts as of 2019 aren’t in house??




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Good question. Do they make any rubber gaskets used, spring bars, luminova? How about the packaging?

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by RolyMoly

I think it’s fascinating that a company this old creates this type of supply/demand issues in a market that’s not a necessity.

Remarkable company

[PeterC4]

Originally Posted by RolyMoly

I think it’s fascinating that a company this old creates this type of supply/demand issues in a market that’s not a necessity.

I’ll always be a fan. And in the meantime I’ll collect Rolexes after waiting for them and enjoy buying some other Brand’s pieces.

I find it fascinating too. Particularly where a Stainless Steel Daytona, can out price other precious metal pieces on the secondary market. Think about a relatively sophisticated piece of equipment like a cell phone that loses value from the day you buy it.

Like I said, very good marketing on the part of Rolex. They have conditioned buyers to pay top dollar for their products.

[RolyMoly]

Originally Posted by PeterC4

I find it fascinating too. Particularly where a Stainless Steel Daytona, can out price other precious metal pieces on the secondary market. Think about a relatively sophisticated piece of equipment like a cell phone that loses value from the day you buy it.



Like I said, very good marketing on the part of Rolex. They have conditioned buyers to pay top dollar for their products.

Right? SS selling at the same price as PM? Super genius level of creating demand. Imagine someone telling you that in 1996 that that would be happening. I’ll still take a PM piece any day of the week though

[Calatrava r]

This ends when Rolex watches are no longer cool and the rich guys no longer sport them. It has nothing to do with the economy. Its a style thing right now that will eventually pass and when it does watch out, prices will drop dramatically.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by PeterC4

Good question. Do they make any rubber gaskets used, spring bars, luminova? How about the packaging?

Its the packaging I want, if I cannot get the plastic coffin, its a deal breaker. Doesn't Rolex make their own plastic? That how nuts this whole thing is now.

[broham84]

Why do you feel a need to make a thread about this? Sounds like another entitled consumer who thinks he/she is important.

Move on.

[seabreeze60]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

This ends when Rolex watches are no longer cool and the rich guys no longer sport them. It has nothing to do with the economy. Its a style thing right now that will eventually pass and when it does watch out, prices will drop dramatically.

Well written manifesto! Even if my Submariner is worth less.

[PeterC4]

Originally Posted by broham84

Why do you feel a need to make a thread about this? Sounds like another entitled consumer who thinks he/she is important.

Move on.

What's wrong with this thread? I don't think its about an entitled customer. It's an interesting topic and goes to the very core of Rolex marketing. Here is a company who's stipulated retail price for some of its models is being surpassed in the reseller market. It's a good product. But THAT good? Its an interesting phenomenon. It happens to very few products.

When Paul Newman's Daytona sells for $17.8 million (including commissions) you gotta wonder....

[Jamie1111]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Its the packaging I want, if I cannot get the plastic coffin, its a deal breaker. Doesn't Rolex make their own plastic? That how nuts this whole thing is now.

+1


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