GMT Master II’s Jubilee bracelet to be discontinued and replaced with Oyster

[mic6]

Originally Posted by rambo99

that's right, so I think there's at least 50% chance that the jubilee pepsi will be discontinued in 2 days time!

To be honest, he said it's not the same source as last year. My feeling says he will be wrong this year, but you never now... It just doesn't make sense for such an important change on the explorer's anniversary. Unless the explorer goes back to 40mm and the two watches share the exact same bracelet from now on, like it happened for many many decades in the past.

[pjaffe]

Originally Posted by Krash

Yes, this is true, and I have to confess. I was one of the folks who made fun of him. I admit I was wrong and he apparently has a legitimate inside source.


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Although in this video he says this is the first time he's ever spoken with/used this particular source so who knows...

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by mic6

To be honest, he said it's not the same source as last year. My feeling says he will be wrong this year, but you never now... It just doesn't make sense for such an important change on the explorer's anniversary. Unless the explorer goes back to 40mm and the two watches share the exact same bracelet from now on, like it happened for many many decades in the past.

who knows? the red/blue color pepsi has long history in the gmt lineup, a heritage piece, may be rolex want to make it more special by discontinuing it after just 3 years of production!

[drfrankenstein]

Originally Posted by rambo99

who knows? the red/blue color pepsi has long history in the gmt lineup, a heritage piece, may be rolex want to make it more special by discontinuing it after just 3 years of production!

The other possibility is that by doing this, Rolex could “hit back” at the secondary market a little bit. If the Pepsi goes to Oyster, which seems to be preferred, it could devalue the jubilee. This would be especially true if the Batgirl reverts back, as the Oyster models are now currently priced where they because they’ve been “discontinued.” One would think if BLNR went back to Oyster the value of the previous model would indeed drop.

[Wrist King]

Originally Posted by VacherObsessive

I could see them discontinue the batgirl and replace with Coke on oyster, but it seems like such a short run on the batgirl unless they combine the run of Batman+batgirl as a cumulative run and think 8 years is enough of the blue/black.

Can’t see Pepsi on oyster. Getting too close to WG and that would not happen as that would piss off a fair quantity of the existing WG Pepsi owners (original black or current blue dial). Would be poor form

That’s what you said before they released the SS Pepsi.


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[mic6]

Originally Posted by rambo99

who knows? the red/blue color pepsi has long history in the gmt lineup, a heritage piece, may be rolex want to make it more special by discontinuing it after just 3 years of production!

Who said discontinue? We are just talking about a bracelet change

[shkure]

Originally Posted by mic6

Who said discontinue? We are just talking about a bracelet change

This. They might not even mention it, just update the website. They have done silent releases/upgrades before.


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[mic6]

Originally Posted by shkure

This. They might not even mention it, just update the website. They have done silent releases/upgrades before.


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Exactly. With the exact same model number

[Token74]

Originally Posted by drfrankenstein

The other possibility is that by doing this, Rolex could “hit back” at the secondary market a little bit. If the Pepsi goes to Oyster, which seems to be preferred, it could devalue the jubilee. This would be especially true if the Batgirl reverts back, as the Oyster models are now currently priced where they because they’ve been “discontinued.” One would think if BLNR went back to Oyster the value of the previous model would indeed drop.

I would expect the secondary market to do the opposite, with everyone suddenly wanting jubilee. People want what they can’t have, look at what happened to the 116600. And i still don’t understand why people would think Rolex want to hit back at the secondary market, makes zero sense to me.


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[kwingy]

Originally Posted by Token74

I would expect the secondary market to do the opposite, with everyone suddenly wanting jubilee. People want what they can’t have, look at what happened to the 116600. And i still don’t understand why people would think Rolex want to hit back at the secondary market, makes zero sense to me.


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Exactly I agree - why would the Pepsi in Jubilee drop lol. That makes zero sense. If anything given it's been out only 3 years - the value would only go up.

Either way I can't see it happening really. Think the Jubilee will stay for a few years yet.

[Dhiren]

If they do this the price of the Jubilee BLRO and the Jubilee BLNR should go up a notch. As it’s a difficult reference to get anyway and a short production run of only 3 years the prices will move upwards.
Personal choice for me would be the BLRO with a Jubilee.
I wonder if Rolex would allow you to buy an oyster bracelet and switch it out ??


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[vdbdg]

Goldberg never predicted a 41mm Sub, to the contrary. Only UptickWatchReviews had it spot on in his pre-September video. The April Fools would be an actual correct prediction from the dog trainer.

[drfrankenstein]

Originally Posted by Token74

I would expect the secondary market to do the opposite, with everyone suddenly wanting jubilee. People want what they can’t have, look at what happened to the 116600. And i still don’t understand why people would think Rolex want to hit back at the secondary market, makes zero sense to me.

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Originally Posted by kwingy

Exactly I agree - why would the Pepsi in Jubilee drop lol. That makes zero sense. If anything given it's been out only 3 years - the value would only go up.

Either way I can't see it happening really. Think the Jubilee will stay for a few years yet.

I was referring more to the BLNR...it could go either way but the point being that the more minor alterations to the model the less desirable the prior model becomes. There's no reason why the BLNR on Oyster trades for what it does, just because "it's been discontinued" is silly imo when the model on jubilee has a new movement and is otherwise the same watch.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by mic6

Who said discontinue? We are just talking about a bracelet change

i mean discontinue the jubilee pepsi, not the pepsi.

[blada4life]

I don’t think the jubilee gmts will change in price at all if the reference number stays the same, even if this is true. Now if the reference changes slightly, all prices will rise even first gen Batman.


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[mic6]

Originally Posted by blada4life

I don’t think the jubilee gmts will change in price at all if the reference number stays the same, even if this is true. Now if the reference changes slightly, all prices will rise even first gen Batman.


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+3000 in just one day if references stays same. If references changes then we will have a big party.

I am talking about grey market of course

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by mic6

Four to five months in advance he posted two videos. One saying that the hulk is discontinued and another one showing a leaked picture of the exact 41mm sub. They are still in his channel in case you want to check, uploaded in May 2020. I remember everyone was making fun of him at that time about both predictions that where actually leaks from his source, and in fact 100% correct.

If you’re referring to this video he specifically said the size would remain 40mm https://youtu.be/RiZRBOmf_3k

If you’re referring k the video about 10 months ago where he shows the “leaked” image: https://youtu.be/f6VeauPx8jE there is zero mention of “41mm”. Direct me to the time log maybe I missed it? But as far as I can tell he’s only discussed it having slimmer lugs which MANY predicted.

In fact, the video in between these 2, he “leaked” a new SS yachmaster that looks identical to the white gold model. Never happened for 2020.


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[blada4life]

Originally Posted by mic6

+3000 in just one day if references stays same. If references changes then we will have a big party.

I am talking about grey market of course

Btw here is a video he made with predictions on 8/11/20 a mere 3 weeks before the announcement. Once again, he only regurgitates the same 3 things he’s said all year: new movement, crown at 6 o clock, and slimmer lugs. Almost all of these was predicted by everyone. Even with a leaked image still no 41mm mention? No mention in this video either from 8/11/20 and I would think it would be the #1 thing to bring up and talk about:

https://youtu.be/rVWO9Ozm188

I don’t know how it came to be that he is associated with that prediction but it’s pure bs. because of such a MASSIVE oversight in his 'leak', i actually wont give him credit at all for it. Makes me wonder if he even has someone who emailed him. i actually think the first mention of 41mm was either the day before (when the leaked catalogue shots came out), or maybe even the day of. I think he just credits himself on these videos as leaking the new sub well in advance and its presumed he predicted 41mm, but that didnt actually happen. nothing he ever said was unforeseeable and was predicted by many after what happened to the GMT line with the lugs.

aside from what was already discussed by experts, youtubers and forums, lets go over what he DIDNT predict as part of his submariner "leak": no mention of 41mm larger case, no mention of new bracelet with tapering, no mention of larger clasp, no mention of new kermit/cermit, no mention of smurf going away either. If i had a source that leaked no news i would seriously question "money penny".

laughably, he actaully said in this 8/11/20 video that rolex wouldnt update the gold sub for 1-2 years after the ss gets updated. he couldnt be any more wrong. it was released 3 weeks later across the entire line. in this same video he again gave a "goldberg probability rating of 80%" that a steel yachmaster mimicking the 42mm white gold model would come out in September. wrong again. the phrase no credibility comes to mind.


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[mic6]

Originally Posted by blada4life

If you’re referring to this video he specifically said the size would remain 40mm https://youtu.be/RiZRBOmf_3k

If you’re referring k the video about 10 months ago where he shows the “leaked” image: https://youtu.be/f6VeauPx8jE there is zero mention of “41mm”. Direct me to the time log maybe I missed it? But as far as I can tell he’s only discussed it having slimmer lugs which MANY predicted.

In fact, the video in between these 2, he “leaked” a new SS yachmaster that looks identical to the white gold model. Never happened for 2020.


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I am not with him I am just trying to be netrual here.
I just remember when he said about the hulk and the new model, everyone was making fun of him. And don't tell me that the leaked image of the new sub is not a good one. It looks spot on.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by blada4life

Btw here is a video he made with predictions on 8/11/20 a mere 3 weeks before the announcement. Once again, he only regurgitates the same 3 things he’s said all year: new movement, crown at 6 o clock, and slimmer lugs. Almost all of these was predicted by everyone. Even with a leaked image still no 41mm mention? No mention in this video either from 8/11/20 and I would think it would be the #1 thing to bring up and talk about: https://youtu.be/rVWO9Ozm188

I don’t know how it came to be that he is associated with that prediction but it’s pure bs. because of such a MASSIVE oversight in his 'leak', i actually wont give him credit at all for it. Makes me wonder if he even has someone who emailed him. i actually think the first mention of 41mm was either the day before (when the leaked catalogue shots came out), or maybe even the day of. I think he just credits himself on these videos as leaking the new sub well in advance and its presumed he predicted 41mm, but that didnt actually happen. nothing he ever said was unforeseeable and was predicted by many after what happened to the GMT line with the lugs.

aside from what was already discussed by experts, youtubers and forums, lets go over what he DIDNT predict as part of his submariner "leak": no mention of 41mm larger case, no mention of new bracelet with tapering, no mention of larger clasp, no mention of new kermit/cermit, no mention of smurf going away either. If i had a source that leaked no news i would seriously question "money penny"


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as far as i can remember, he also correctly predicted the discontinuation of the hulk in one of his video near the official announcement, when many people said why rolex would do such thing on one of their most sought after watches.

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by rambo99

as far as i can remember, he also correctly predicted the discontinuation of the hulk in one of his video near the official announcement, when many people said why rolex would do such thing on one of their most sought after watches.

dont know what youre talking about... almost everyone was saying the hulk would go away

[Lamontsanders]

I doubt they would replace entirely - add the oyster as an option is the more likely scenario if they do anything at all. Would make the 126710 on jubilee even more expensive and Rolex is probably sensitive to that. The clasp teaser is most likely an Explorer 2. Marc is entertaining at times but definitely to be taken with a grain of salt.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by blada4life

dont know what youre talking about... almost everyone was saying the hulk would go away

not everyone.

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by mic6

I am not with him I am just trying to be netrual here.
I just remember when he said about the hulk and the new model, everyone was making fun of him. And don't tell me that the leaked image of the new sub is not a good one. It looks spot on.

i am not trying to give you a hard time as i just want to clarify the record, but you are not trying to stay neutral at all. you referenced the fact he was spot on in his predictions. in fact, you pointed out the videos. And what about the leaked image? its just a 116610 sub with a photoshopped crown at 6... the fact that he didnt mention the craziest change to 41mm, makes me question his source entirely, which was his moneypenny source. if he did mention 41mm, i would be impressed and give him credit but to point out what everyone else was saying is not new. they were educated guesses based on what they did with the gmt line and all he had to do was copy forum posts or other prediction videos.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by Lamontsanders

I doubt they would replace entirely - add the oyster as an option is the more likely scenario if they do anything at all. Would make the 126710 on jubilee even more expensive and Rolex is probably sensitive to that. The clasp teaser is most likely an Explorer 2. Marc is entertaining at times but definitely to be taken with a grain of salt.

this is not an option, rolex wont sell ss pepsi osyter and ss pepsi jubilee at the same time, they just dont do business this way.

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by rambo99

not everyone.

why dont you search "hulk" in this forum and go back to 2020... the majority of the posts expected it to go away, only a small handful of people thought it would remain. in fact people thought it would be discontinued even in 2019

[mic6]

Originally Posted by blada4life

i am not trying to give you a hard time as i just want to clarify the record, but you are not trying to stay neutral at all. you referenced the fact he was spot on in his predictions. in fact, you pointed out the videos. And what about the leaked image? its just a 116610 sub with a photoshopped crown at 6... the fact that he didnt mention the craziest change to 41mm, makes me question his source entirely, which was his moneypenny source. if he did mention 41mm, i would be impressed and give him credit but to point out what everyone else was saying is not new. they were educated guesses based on what they did with the gmt line and all he had to do was copy forum posts or other prediction videos.

No my friend it's not a 116610 with the crown. It's a 116610 with slimmer lugs and the crown. That gives us the 126610. 41mm is a totally pointless reference, in fact the new model looks same if not smaller than the old one. Show me another guy that predicted this model five months before the release. And also please tell me who confirmed the hulk ending five months before it happened.

Again, I don't believe his predictions for 2021 will come true, but for 2020 he was by far the quickest and most accurate on earth. Sorry.

[mic6]

Originally Posted by blada4life

dont know what youre talking about... almost everyone was saying the hulk would go away

You mean almost everyone made fun of those who were saying the the hulk would go away, especially on TRF.

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by mic6

No my friend it's not a 116610 with the crown. It's a 116610 with slimmer lugs and the crown. That gives us the 126610. 41mm is a totally pointless reference, in fact the new model looks same if not smaller than the old one. Show me another guy that predicted this model five months before the release. And also please tell me who confirmed the hulk ending five months before it happened.

Again, I don't believe his predictions for 2021 will come true, but for 2020 he was by far the quickest and most accurate on earth. Sorry.

i totally agree with you.

[blada4life]

Originally Posted by mic6

No my friend it's not a 116610 with the crown. It's a 116610 with slimmer lugs and the crown. That gives us the 126610. 41mm is a totally pointless reference, in fact the new model looks same if not smaller than the old one. Show me another guy that predicted this model five months before the release. And also please tell me who confirmed the hulk ending five months before it happened.

Again, I don't believe his predictions for 2021 will come true, but for 2020 he was by far the quickest and most accurate on earth. Sorry.

here you go buddy, 1/2020 online article... one of many and before Marc's vid from 5/25/20: https://www.vulcanwatchstraps.com/bl...20-predictions

here is the pertinent part:

1. Rolex Submariner 116610LV “Hulk” discontinued.

Shock horror, Rolex discontinuing the Green Submariner 116610LV in 2020. This was a prediction of many last year and even in 2018 but it still hasn’t happened. Rumours of this model being discontinued at Baselworld over the past couple of years have sent the grey market price of this model through the roof and I imagine that if it is discontinued this year the price will increase even further. I’m really glad I gpurchased mine before the 2018 Baselworld show. As regular readers know I don’t buy Rolex watches as an investment but it’s good to know you can buy something, enjoy it, and sell it on for more money than you paid for it some years later. So, that is our first prediction, I am pretty sure that Rolex will discontinue the 116610LV in 2020.

Here are several various between 1/2020 - 3/2020, all before the video. He is not as important as you think:

https://www.chronext.com/journal/new...rs-about-rolex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opSrpzW-dH0 (david khalil 12-14min mark)
https://www.watchpro.com/whats-in-an...rolex-in-2020/
https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-bl...aselworld.html (this is a good one from 2/2020)