Quality / design issue in Rolesor Oyster bracelets: Gold piece can fall off the clasp

[padi56]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

Thanks for the picture, but I still don't see how they are joined or why the same couldn't happen on the clasp.

Might I suggest you write to Rolex on how you would drill the thin strip of gold and the amount of necessary screws and pins to attach the strip of gold of the SS clasp. That is without compromising the function and adjustment of the adjustable clasp sure Rolex would be interested to know.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

But how is it co necessarily ro rhe SS parts?

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Care to elaborate?

[garyk]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

It won’t. Because the full pm piece is machined from a solid block of gold.





The clasp of any two tone Rolex regardless oyster or jubilee is primarily 914L steel with the gold portion fused on. It’s the same method they used with older 5 digits TT watches and issues like this have been posted before on TRF with the older TT models

Take a guess what the solution is going to be.

Gorilla glue?

[OrangeSport]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Care to elaborate?

Ha!

Wow, bad typing!!

I meant how are the gold and SS pieces connected?

[OrangeSport]

Originally Posted by padi56

Might I suggest you write to Rolex on how you would drill the thin strip of gold and the amount of necessary screws and pins to attach the strip of gold of the SS clasp. That is without compromising the function and adjustment of the adjustable clasp sure Rolex would be interested to know.

Of course you can, but I'm just trying to I understand:

1 - how the pieces of the individual links are connected
2 - as they are obviously secure why a similar method wasn't used on the clasp (as some seemed to assume)

I am sure there's a reason as I expect Rolex went with the best cist/performance choice, but I'm just interested - that's all.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

Ha!



Wow, bad typing!!



I meant how are the gold and SS pieces connected?

Pins, just like in a SS oyster bracelet.

[OrangeSport]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Pins, just like in a SS oyster bracelet.

Thanks

And I guess the clasp isn’t thick enough to do the same?

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

Thanks



And I guess the clasp isn’t thick enough to do the same?

Possibly. Also, the pins joining the center links to the side links serve a purpose, they allow the three pieces of the link to pivot slightly, to have some play between each other for added comfort around the wrist. This clasp has not been designed with that flexibility in mind, but to acomodate a glidelock system allowing to adjust the length of the bracelet around a wetsuit.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

Thanks

And I guess the clasp isn’t thick enough to do the same?

Not a TT but clasp construction is the same as on the SS,but its how the clasp could possibly function if screws and pins were used to attach a strip of gold or solid lump of gold to the middle of the clasp.

[Cryten]

Originally Posted by OrangeSport

Thanks for the picture, but I still don't see how they are joined or why the same couldn't happen on the clasp.

Maybe this will clarify.



All bracelet links are made from 3 pieces held together wih friction pins

[ancientmariner]

When the Submariner TT 16613 came out around 1988 it was designed with an all steel clasp. This was for a functional reason, and my preference.
Around 2001 the gold piece was added to the clasp for looks alone, so the clasp matched the bracelet and looked nicer in the eyes of most buyers.
So it has remained on later TT models.

[h20addict]

Originally Posted by ancientmariner

When the Submariner TT 16613 came out around 1988 it was designed with an all steel clasp. This was for a functional reason, and my preference.
Around 2001 the gold piece was added to the clasp for looks alone, so the clasp matched the bracelet and looked nicer in the eyes of most buyers.
So it has remained on later TT models.

I would prefer the full SS clasp as it is more durable with regards to "desk diving" scratches.

[IamJacky]

learn something new everyday, thanks for sharing and please do share the after-pic!

[OrangeSport]

Originally Posted by Cryten

Maybe this will clarify.



All bracelet links are made from 3 pieces held together wih friction pins

[Old Geezer]

I knew the gold piece was glued on the clasp. It's cool to see what's underneath.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by padi56

Might I suggest you write to Rolex on how you would drill the thin strip of gold and the amount of necessary screws and pins to attach the strip of gold of the SS clasp. That is without compromising the function and adjustment of the adjustable clasp sure Rolex would be interested to know.

Alright Padi, calm down mate! He is only trying to understand!

[aayates]

Originally Posted by Ollie1982

Alright Padi, calm down mate! He is only trying to understand!

Seems like someone's rather bitter/sarcastic regarding any questions/clarifications/criticisms of the unavailable Rolex line.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Ollie1982

Alright Padi, calm down mate! He is only trying to understand!

Originally Posted by aayates

Seems like someone's rather bitter/sarcastic regarding any questions/clarifications/criticisms of the unavailable Rolex line.

Not true if you took the time to read the thread I explained fully in plain simple language and pictures that a 12 year would fully understand. And many are still stating its glued to the clasp but its been explained by many members this it not true its fused to the SS clasp with a method very similar to spot welding.

[aayates]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not true if you took the time to read the thread I explained fully in plain simple language and pictures that a 12 year would fully understand. And many are still stating its glued to the clasp but its been explained by many members this it not true its fused to the SS clasp with a method very similar to spot welding.

I read the thread. You prove my point with "Even a 12 year would fully understand". Again, a snarky comment not required, but illustrative.

[OG1982]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not true if you took the time to read the thread I explained fully in plain simple language and pictures that a 12 year would fully understand. And many are still stating its glued to the clasp but its been explained by many members this it not true its fused to the SS clasp with a method very similar to spot welding.

Well excuse me, but I have read the whole thread and thought your responses to be a bit over the top.

There is no doubt you contribute a lot to this forum, but sometimes you could read-read a response before posting and ask yourself if you feel it’s appropriate.

People come here to learn, no need to make them feel stupid in doing so.


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[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by garyk

Gorilla glue?

They only do the fusion/solder at the factory.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by padi56

How anyone could think they were being ripped off defeats me, as its not possible to make a solid SS and gold clasp. So a thin strip of solid 18Ct is fused in the solid SS clasp is the only way to do it. Once on the TT subs there was no gold strip as clasp was all just plain SS.

i agree that it is an overreach to feel ripped off. while this shouldn't happen, considering the volume of watches without issue it is understandable to have an occasional imperfection.



i am reasonably sure that the TT clasp could be made by rolex if they so desired...
after all they cracked the code on the ceramic pepsi bezel, they all said that could not be done

[roadie1]

If you don’t like the fused piece, just take it off. Then you’ll have an old school clasp. That is your other option. Here is a pic from the FS section of an old school clasp on a TT watch.



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[myporsche]

After multiple explanations, common sense, and pictures some people still don't understand basic construction/explanation, everything needs to be spoon-fed on reddit or youtube.

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by Ollie1982

Well excuse me, but I have read the whole thread and thought your responses to be a bit over the top.

There is no doubt you contribute a lot to this forum, but sometimes you could read-read a response before posting and ask yourself if you feel it’s appropriate.

People come here to learn, no need to make them feel stupid in doing so.


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He’s one of the worst part of the forum. Like a toddler shouting in the corner that wants attention.


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[Andad]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

He’s one of the worst part of the forum. Like a toddler shouting in the corner that wants attention.


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Hi S.

Peter has more information on Rolex than most on TRF.

With the number of members we now have here it can get a bit tedious repeating answers to the same old questions.

Sometimes patience runs out and we can be a little testy.

Cut Pete some slack and read between the line for the information.

He really is a softy.

[Dirt]

Thanks for sharing
Very interesting and cleverly executed design

I imagine the only Rolex watch clasp that could successfully execute a solid Gold centre section would be a DSSD

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by padi56

Might I suggest you write to Rolex on how you would drill the thin strip of gold and the amount of necessary screws and pins to attach the strip of gold of the SS clasp. That is without compromising the function and adjustment of the adjustable clasp sure Rolex would be interested to know.

Perhaps a couple of studs could be cast into the inside of the gold fashion piece/insert?
That way they could potentially pass the studs through corresponding holes in the SS clasp with a countersink on the inside of the SS clasp. Then form a rivet head with the stud that could be finished flush on the inside of the clasp.
It would serve as a mechanical augmentation of the fusion process
It'll have to be Nuked to separate them and the cost would be justified given the price point of the watches

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by MasonDixon

Couldn't the clasps be manufactured in sections and joined together using the same method as the bracelet links?

Not easily done and would require a serious redesign and review of well established manufacturing processes of a Deployant clasp arrangement that has been the product of a decades long evolutionary process.
It'll push the cost up as well

[padi56]

Originally Posted by myporsche

After multiple explanations, common sense, and pictures some people still don't understand basic construction/explanation, everything needs to be spoon-fed on reddit or youtube.

Have to agree on that one.