Who owns a Tesla?

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by pickettt

I’d heard an account of a person hitting the underbody with something or another and damaging the battery. A complete replacement was $16k. Now, since the battery is warranted for 8 years, barring any accidental damage, if the battery died a day after warranty expiration …$16k wouldn’t be a deal breaker

I guess my way of thinking is that is one heck of a price to pay for any one thing and at one time. That and maybe unlike some here I tend to hang onto my cars longer than just eight years.

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Originally Posted by pickettt

JUST had a software update that changes the user interface (like from Windows 95 to 10). $#%*!, please don’t let me wreck looking for the heater.

But wait, there’s more; while trying to learn the new touchscreen interface, I turn on the ambient lights to reveal rain leaking into the passenger cabin from under the dash. Nothing like that new wet carpet smell. I wanted to like this car, but after owning it for a little over a month, I’m officially done with it. POS

Sorry to hear this. For what it’s worth, I’ve had my Y for a little under a month so far and love it. No issues at all.

[BillA]

Originally Posted by pickettt

JUST had a software update that changes the user interface (like from Windows 95 to 10). $#%*!, please don’t let me wreck looking for the heater.

But wait, there’s more; while trying to learn the new touchscreen interface, I turn on the ambient lights to reveal rain leaking into the passenger cabin from under the dash. Nothing like that new wet carpet smell. I wanted to like this car, but after owning it for a little over a month, I’m officially done with it. POS

Sorry to hear this, should not happen at all.

As far as QC issues, I believe it is being overblown: First, the newer cars compared to the older versions are more reliable, have the sheet metal lined up better. Second, look at all the cars these guys pump out each quarter, no one puts out more cars then them and they are not done, a plant in Germany and Texas coming on line soon will help the demand from Fremont and China.

As far as Tesla opening the superchargers to other cars, Musk does not do this out of the goodness of his heart. There is a test of this going on now in Norway. These newer supercharger stations now how 3 electric cables coming from them, one for Tesla, one for Chademo, and one for CCS. Why would Musk do this: Answer: Money, revenue, it will bring in more money, more cars charging at his superchargers means more money for Tesla.

Current battery life should be between 300-500,000 miles. Who holds a car that long? I lease my cars, want a new car in 3 years and although my LR M3 is rated at 353 miles, in a few years, they will have 500 miles on a full charge.

Anyone thinking of taking a long trip on an EV should think about charging along the way, of course. You need to have a supercharger not the Level 2 chargers that you bring into your garage or found free in many locations, the level 2 will take too long to charge and you want to be back on the road sooner. Tesla has the best, to date, supercharger network. It is said they have more superchargers out there in the US than all the other superchargers combined.

Someone posted the paint quality is just fair, I have to agree with that. My car is white and it does not take much to chip the paint.

I had mentioned in another post that getting in and out of the M3 is a challenge, the car is low to the ground, some people have reported they are scraping the underbelly of the car when exiting their driveway. Definitely test drive the car. The MY is higher off the ground. My wife looked at the car, it did not have a rear windshield wiper blade, which she said is a must, LOL.

To the poster who cannot get an appt, I recommend you just drive you car into the Tesla CS center near you. I had a software problem at the beginning, drove it in, they looked at it, said it had to be kept overnight, I was lucky to get a loaner, but definitely crash their party and bring the car in and don’t take no for an answer, make them keep the car until fixed.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by dddrees

I guess my way of thinking is that is one heck of a price to pay for any one thing and at one time. That and maybe unlike some here I tend to hang onto my cars longer than just eight years.

I keep cars a long time too. So what I mean is if my battery crapped out at 8 years, I’d be willing to pay $16k to get me to at least 16 years……though the rest of this car is not gonna make it that long, I can almost guarantee that

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by pickettt

I keep cars a long time too. So what I mean is if my battery crapped out at 8 years, I’d be willing to pay $16k to get me to at least 16 years……though the rest of this car is not gonna make it that long, I can almost guarantee that

Yeah, that's the other problem I have gathered about these cars. Added to the many other issues I keep reading about these cars in threads like this one. Just not my cup of tea.

Here's hoping by the time I have to buy an electric car it's a lot better proposition than what the Tesla currently offers that and a good number of the inconveniences have been made a whole lot more convenient.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by dddrees

Yeah, that's the other problem I have gathered about these cars. Added to the many other issues I keep reading about these cars in threads like this one. Just not my cup of tea.

Here's hoping by the time I have to buy an electric car it's a lot better proposition than what the Tesla currently offers that and a good number of the inconveniences have been made a whole lot more convenient.

It really is a shame because they really have the potential to last even longer than older cars, but that’s not the goal…repeat sales are the goal.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by pickettt

It really is a shame because they really have the potential to last even longer than older cars, but that’s not the goal…repeat sales are the goal.

I just never even get the impression Tesla even attempts to make quality product to begin with.

I take that back. I should have said a sound product.

But I got to give it up to him. Sounds like no matter how terrible it is it hasn't been enough to stop him from getting rich.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Maybe you Telsa owners can help me out with a decision.

Right now, I own a (2015, 60K miles) Ford fusion Hybrid, it is a titanium edition and has every bell and whistle. I was debating between it, and a Lincoln MXZ (hybrid), but when it came down to it, they both ride the same (at least to me) and I saved a lot of money buying the cheaper car.

I will buy an EV, a lot of reasons but lets just say I am destined. I always considered the S, because I figured in ride comfort it would be very similar to my Fusion. I discounted the Y, due to ride quality. I follow a bunch of Tesla and mechanics on Youtube who stated the Y rode very stiff, even to the point of uncomfortable. The X is out of my price range.

The 3 is very much within my price range, however I am concerned I will be disappointed in the ride. Can any of you owners weigh-in with your opinions?

STOP IGNORING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

STOP IGNORING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t really notice my Y as being uncomfortably stiff. I’d suggest getting on Turo and renting a Y or a 3 for a day or two where you can test it out.

[pickettt]

Originally Posted by dddrees

I just never even get the impression Tesla even attempts to make quality product to begin with.

I take that back. I should have said a sound product.

But I got to give it up to him. Sounds like no matter how terrible it is it hasn't been enough to stop him from getting rich.

He knows where the bodies are buried.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by pickettt

He knows where the bodies are buried.

Anyway good luck and I hope you find your heater. Who knows maybe next year he"ll be good enough to include even more fabulous Christmas lights in the next update.

But seriously I hope your able to iron out all of your difficulties. That leaking thing doesn't sound good.

[donas]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

If Tesla opens up their charging stations to other makes and models, that may be a better deal for those thinking about something outside the Tesla universe.

I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but I was disappointed to discover that it costs roughly $12 to "fill up" at a Tesla charger, at least where I'm living; these are located at the service center. About 45 minutes away, at a Tanger Outlet shopping center, the EV chargers are free to use. It seems that other venues support Tesla owners more than Tesla does.

I am certainly glad to have done some research before jumping into a purchase, I don't think Tesla is in my future.

[Rori]

I can’t stand the design language they use specially the dash.
To me, the only way I would go electric is with a BMW or MB.


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[Time4aRolex]

This guy pulled the ripcord on his Tesla when faced with the battery replacement on an 8 year old car.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/...0-repair-cost/

[ItnStln]

Originally Posted by Time4aRolex

This guy pulled the ripcord on his Tesla when faced with the battery replacement on an 8 year old car.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/...0-repair-cost/

That's awesome!

[Addictedtowatches]

I have had my S for 4 yrs now. Bought it new and it now has 110k miles. I have spent $500 for a replacement battery. The only issues have been windows that werw stuck and tesla did a mobile repair for that. I plan on keeping it until it dies.

[BillA]

Originally Posted by donas

I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but I was disappointed to discover that it costs roughly $12 to "fill up" at a Tesla charger, at least where I'm living; these are located at the service center. About 45 minutes away, at a Tanger Outlet shopping center, the EV chargers are free to use. It seems that other venues support Tesla owners more than Tesla does.

I am certainly glad to have done some research before jumping into a purchase, I don't think Tesla is in my future.

I guess you have not been to the gas station lately. $12 to fill a Tesla vs. $40 at the gas station. Spoiler alert: $40 is greater than $12.

[donas]

Originally Posted by BillA

I guess you have not been to the gas station lately. $12 to fill a Tesla vs. $40 at the gas station. Spoiler alert: $40 is greater than $12.

In the haste to post your quippy reply, you seem to have missed the intended context of my post. In my area, Tesla charges its customers to use their chargers. To me, this is not a good way to show appreciation to a customer when they can go to other vendors/parking lots/etc and fill their vehicle for free. In using the skills obtained in your impromptu math lesson, I see that $12 is more than $0.

[Goin2drt]

I guess those places that charge zero assume you are coming into their place of business and they can capture some sales. Tesla doesn’t get that same benefit and their chargers will also charge a lot faster hence a better charger. Just my option.

Now if people really thought that going EV and away from ICE it was going to remain the same cost benefit then I guess they don’t understand business. Once companies get folks hooked on the new tech then prices will rise just like gas does.

We are buying ours for the tech and insane thrill of instant torque. We could care less about the “green factor” if there is one and the cost of operation. We assume cost of operation will soon be the same as ICE.

[dddrees]

Originally Posted by Addictedtowatches

I have had my S for 4 yrs now. Bought it new and it now has 110k miles. I have spent $500 for a replacement battery. The only issues have been windows that werw stuck and tesla did a mobile repair for that. I plan on keeping it until it dies.

I take it you only spent $500 for the replacement battery because it was under warranty but had it not been it would have cost much more?

[BillA]

Originally Posted by donas

In the haste to post your quippy reply, you seem to have missed the intended context of my post. In my area, Tesla charges its customers to use their chargers. To me, this is not a good way to show appreciation to a customer when they can go to other vendors/parking lots/etc and fill their vehicle for free. In using the skills obtained in your impromptu math lesson, I see that $12 is more than $0.

Obviously you do not own an EV.

The free chargers are what are called level 2 chargers, they are 240 volt and charge about 28-30 miles in an hour. The Tesla chargers you are referring to are what are called Level 3 or SuperChargers and can charge up to a few hundred miles in an hour. So yes, Tesla chargers for the latter which is a big plus for Tesla owners who are traveling and need to charge quickly to get on their way. The Level 2 chargers are what EV owners install in their garage for home use. Why should Tesla give free charging? Tesla just discontinued a program that when you use someone’s referral code who has a Tesla, you get 1000 free supercharger miles and so does the person buying the car. This ended a few months ago.

Why should the superchargers be free? When you buy an ICE car, does the dealer give you free gas for the life of the car?

As stated above, I know you do not own an EV, I can tell you that even paying for the charge is much cheaper than going to the pump. $40 is greater than $12.

I live in the NY area, service by ConEd. ConEd and many other utility companies have charging incentives. First, if you charge from midnight to 8am, it is off peak, and a fraction of the cost of peak time use of electricity. Second, they work with FleetCarma, a box you put in the car, tracks off peak charging, and if you can believe this pays you money to charge off peak.

[donas]

Originally Posted by BillA

Obviously you do not own an EV.

Seeing how I'm the OP seeking input, I have not purchased one since this thread started. I fully understand the rest of your reply and expected it, almost exactly as written. Arguments can be made for my viewpoint as well as yours. I'm not on TRF for silly bickering, as many are now. Thanks for your input on my thread.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by BillA

Obviously you do not own an EV.

The free chargers are what are called level 2 chargers, they are 240 volt and charge about 28-30 miles in an hour. The Tesla chargers you are referring to are what are called Level 3 or SuperChargers and can charge up to a few hundred miles in an hour. So yes, Tesla chargers for the latter which is a big plus for Tesla owners who are traveling and need to charge quickly to get on their way. The Level 2 chargers are what EV owners install in their garage for home use. Why should Tesla give free charging? Tesla just discontinued a program that when you use someone’s referral code who has a Tesla, you get 1000 free supercharger miles and so does the person buying the car. This ended a few months ago.

Why should the superchargers be free? When you buy an ICE car, does the dealer give you free gas for the life of the car?

As stated above, I know you do not own an EV, I can tell you that even paying for the charge is much cheaper than going to the pump. $40 is greater than $12.

But why the snark. Donas stated when he stared this thread he's trying to decide if he wants to buy an EV.

You could have just explained the various charging regimens without the math lessons and sarcasm.

[donas]

Originally Posted by Blansky

But why the snark. Donas stated when he stared this thread he's trying to decide if he wants to buy an EV.

You could have just explained the various charging regimens without the math lessons and sarcasm.

Oh, but that is TRF now it seems.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Blansky

But why the snark. Donas stated when he stared this thread he's trying to decide if he wants to buy an EV.

You could have just explained the various charging regimens without the math lessons and sarcasm.

Originally Posted by donas

Oh, but that is TRF now it seems.

SHUT UP!!!

[BillA]

Originally Posted by donas

Seeing how I'm the OP seeking input, I have not purchased one since this thread started. I fully understand the rest of your reply and expected it, almost exactly as written. Arguments can be made for my viewpoint as well as yours. I'm not on TRF for silly bickering, as many are now. Thanks for your input on my thread.

Reread your original post. I hope some comments were helpful.
This and other forum answers questions and sometimes the post do stray a bit. People who do not own an EV seem to state facts, they cannot backup because they do not own the car.
Anyway, good luck and if you want PM me with any detail questions so I can keep my comments to you on track

[donas]

Originally Posted by BillA

Reread your original post. I hope some comments were helpful.
This and other forum answers questions and sometimes the post do stray a bit. People who do not own an EV seem to state facts, they cannot backup because they do not own the car.
Anyway, good luck and if you want PM me with any detail questions so I can keep my comments to you on track

Thanks

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

SHUT UP!!! :

And to you Paul, I've filed the appropriate paperwork

[TheVTCGuy]

IMHO, I think a great deal of the pushback against EVs is the reluctance to change. I completely understand. Me? I am a Techno-Geek, and can’t wait to own an electric car, yes, I admit, some of it is for the “cool” factor. As someone pointed out, there needs to be a mindset change. I have to adjust driving so that I am aware of charging stations and can not expect one at every corner like there are gas stations. I have to understand, my “fill-ups” are going to take 15 to 20 minutes longer, and adjust accordingly. Still, I am willing to make these adjustments and am very excited to own a Tesla (as soon as the dam prices come down!). I also understand the general reluctant to change something our society has been doing for over 100 years and works just fine for most people.

A serious question, I wonder if there was pushback when cars were first being introduced to society(?). I can see some of the same reasons being discussed. A gasoline car can not refuel itself by eating grass (like my horse). There were very few (back then) places to buy gasoline, and you had to closely monitor your gas supply so as not to be stranded. Sound Familiar? I personally believe they were having the same push back reasons for ICE vehicles. Well, we solved those, it didn’t happen over night, but ICE vehicles became the standard mode of transportation. I believe we will have that same evolution with Electric (or Hydrogen) vehicles.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by donas

Thanks



And to you Paul, I've filed the appropriate paperwork

It wouldn’t be the first time Wade

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

IMHO, I think a great deal of the pushback against EVs is the reluctance to change. I completely understand. Me? I am a Techno-Geek, and can’t wait to own an electric car, yes, I admit, some of it is for the “cool” factor. As someone pointed out, there needs to be a mindset change. I have to adjust driving so that I am aware of charging stations and can not expect one at every corner like there are gas stations. I have to understand, my “fill-ups” are going to take 15 to 20 minutes longer, and adjust accordingly. Still, I am willing to make these adjustments and am very excited to own a Tesla (as soon as the dam prices come down!). I also understand the general reluctant to change something our society has been doing for over 100 years and works just fine for most people.

A serious question, I wonder if there was pushback when cars were first being introduced to society(?). I can see some of the same reasons being discussed. A gasoline car can not refuel itself by eating grass (like my horse). There were very few (back then) places to buy gasoline, and you had to closely monitor your gas supply so as not to be stranded. Sound Familiar? I personally believe they were having the same push back reasons for ICE vehicles. Well, we solved those, it didn’t happen over night, but ICE vehicles became the standard mode of transportation. I believe we will have that same evolution with Electric (or Hydrogen) vehicles.

The tech companies are counting on our interest in techy cars....

https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...ign=pockethits