HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9

[teabags001]

Originally Posted by kimnkk

The count as of yesterday was 7.

A few have posted directly on here.



As far as I understand:

#1: Daytona guy here $29k (managed to get funds back)

#2: GMT2 guy $16k (managed to get funds back)

#3: GMT2 guy $16k (lost $16k)

#4: Rolex & Snoopy $60k (managed to get funds back)

#5: Platinum Day Date ($TBC) (attempting to get funds back)



That’s off the top of my head, the other 2 haven’t posted but are in touch with the OP.



Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

What happens to guy number 3? It seems as if most have got funds back in time. Just wondering why he didn’t get a refund. What number did he post?

DavidSW and an AD are the only avenues I will use. I really hope number 3 will get his money back. Same with number 5. Wow.


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[Sandpit]

Well if ever there was a counter argument to “going grey” this is it. A seemingly popular and well known / respected watch guy at first but there’s obviously a lot more to him.

This is one reason I’d be very very reluctant to buy from any type of reseller.

[S``]

Originally Posted by Sandpit

Well if ever there was a counter argument to “going grey” this is it. A seemingly popular and well known / respected watch guy at first but there’s obviously a lot more to him.

This is one reason I’d be very very reluctant to buy from any type of reseller.

He was "online" for only 18 months... He was a "flash in a pan"...

Unlike the trusted sellers here, who had been in biz for Years, way before Youtube or horology reviews were a thing....

It's a case of "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" and also "to know your seller well"

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

How many times it has to be sad I am also a mod there and a victim...

I’m not talking about you but those who are banned now.


Cheers, mate


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[Sandpit]

Originally Posted by S``

He was "online" for only 18 months... He was a "flash in a pan"...

Unlike the trusted sellers here, who had been in biz for Years, way before Youtube or horology reviews were a thing....

It's a case of "if it's too good to be true, it probably is" and also "to know your seller well"

That’s a fair point. I’m sure there are many very trusted sellers on TRF

[edyu]

Originally Posted by cerendigit

I just went through this thread.

I have to say, I'm baffled.

I am well aware of the danger of wiring money to strangers, and the importance of trust (in any business really), but I wouldn't have suspected someone with so much "internet-cred/fame" to be a crook. Not in a million years.

I totally feel for the victims.

It's just goes to show how much trust we can place on someone based on how "social media-famous" they are.

Live and learn I guess.

This.

[skorN83]

Originally Posted by Claudio1989

How many times it has to be sad I am also a mod there and a victim...

Did you ever think about paying him a visit?

Seems from your logs that you were on a personal basis and if I remember correctly he even helped you with your camera setup and stuff.

Any indications in person that he was scrambling so hard?

If the gambling bit is true, it is sad. I used to work in the gambling and sports betting industry and it definitely gets a hold of people.

[APforlife]

Hi All New Reader's!

Anybody wanting a quick catch-up, this is the post for you!

-Please Note, I will of missed a couple things but this will be the best of my recollection of events/post's ive seen/read inregards to this matter.
-This post is purely my opinion/interpretation of events, not an attack on anybody

-Happy to be corrected if i have gone wrong anywhere, Reminder just recollection of what i've read.[/B]

-Seller does deal on Daytona $29k
-Buyer pays him
-Seller uses 'Toll' couriers
-Seller give's buyer Tracking ID
-Buyer check's tracking ID, doesn't exist
-Seller rings around, turns out it's not on the system or something
-Seller claims he has dashcam footage of him there etc
-Buyer at the time believes him in good faith & his well known reputation
-At this point Courier/Seller assume it's lost
-Seller say's he will contact 'Parcel Pro' to ask about the shipment
(Parcel Pro is a luxury item's insurer)
(Note: ParcelPro don't work with 'Toll Couriers' which was stated the courier of use)
-Buyer is patient as heck, this drag's out for 2-3months or so
-Buyer requests to have money returned
-Seller insists, just give me abit i can source you another
-Seller then claims he has another Daytona he can supply from his watchvault
-Buyer again ask's for refund so this can just be finalised and finished
-Seller insists please let me make this right or something if i recall properly
-Buyer then agree's to it, thinking maybe it was just bad luck
-More mucking around/delays
-Excuses for delays was he had to fly and help his family in the tragic bushfires that made headlines
-Buyer is sympathetic towards Seller, was very nice/courteous/sorry about the whole ordeal
-Fast forward, Finally delivery day comes
-Watch looked dodgy, Found to be FAKE (Refer to OP Posts for Pics)
-Buyer then tells Seller it's fake, wants money back
-Seller agree's for the refund after being threatened of legal/police action etc
-Seller insists on sending a decent chunk first, then paying the rest after arrival of his fake piece
-Buyer then get's his money back after what was 3+months?

-This thread get's made
-Several people start stepping up and speaking out about bad experiences/dodgy run-in's
-One of the other people who got tricked
-Show's us proof of chat he had with Chris showing the same excuse
(Excuse was something like this was his parent's house from the bushfire)

Picture's: (From another person who dealt with the same seller)


Reverse Image Search:


Original Image:


Watches that've been mentioned in all this from my understand: Daytona, Rolex GMT, Blue Sky-Dweller, Silver Snoopy, Platinum DJ etc.

I don't know the full story of the other case's, there's several post's about it for those who want to have a look.

-Ever since being posted about, he has Deleted Facebook Account, Business Page, Apparently YouTube page is hidden or something, Instagram has gone private and blocking people commenting stuff.

-Also worth noting this post was made prior to the Daytona buyer receiving funds:


Reference to chatlog's where seller mentions using "Parcel Pro"



Parcel Pro Website:
No Toll Selection??


Here's a screenshot of someone else coming forward, Don't think they wanted to be shown publicly
-This was posted earlier in the thread somewhere-
-NOT my conversation-


Link to post from user: Louey001 (Who also has a story with the same seller)
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...5#post10335635

Link to post from user: Hzahh (Who also has a story with the same seller)
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...0#post10337930

Link to post from user: Claudio1989 (Buyer of Skydweller & Silver Snoopy)
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...4#post10339364

(I am reading there is a list of up to 7-10 people)
-Several people still without money/watches
-Platinum Day-Date still in question, apparently in 'customs'

Someone else also came forward about a Daytona (Chatlog below, you can see he used the same dodgy excuse... and tracking didnt work??? WOW!!!)



-Please Note: This is intended to only inform other's, it's a summary of thing's discussed already by others and is purely my opinion only and interpretation of events and therefore may have information missing, anything incorrect happy to be corrected & this is not to intended to be defamatory in any means more just to help other's on the basis they could have illegitimate item's if they've had dealings with this same person/seller in question as this person seems to have a large following & sale history-

[APforlife]

Chris, my only piece of advice is that you please get help if it's actually a gambling issue...

Come forward and admit everything publicly so we can all understand what you're going through...




If you don't choose to do that well then....



Because apparently there's a large group being set-up with all those that've been conned that'll be taking action...


my opinion only, not financial advice, speculation at it's finest so therefore nothing should seriously be taken away from this post. seek a licensed professional for help as i am not one.

[DDDan]

The guy definitely needs help. Gambling or drugs makes sense here. The last videos of him saw him pale, overweight, baggy eyed and seemingly exhausted. What a fall from grace, and what a shit stain on the Australian watch community.

[Oodles of Noodles]

I really hope people are taking swift action because Chris' silence doesn't point to an honest apology any time soon; it likely points to him desperately trying to cover his tracks. As the European banker stated, there's a very good possibility he and any others involved are moving money around as we speak.

[ibbraithwaite]

This is crazy! I started out calling for calm and trusting that there must be an explanation... that someone in his position, with a couple of years worth of reputation building, leading up to setting up to have his own straps etc...

Damn, how wrong was I!

I never bought anything off him but I still feel stung. I watched his videos with amazement and backed up his rules on AWBSS countless times.

Still a bit shocked at the breadth of his dodgyness... surely there will be real world repercussions...

[Oodles of Noodles]

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[xaykogeki]

Just saw in AWF that a member got his Horology House NATO delivered. Can't post the link as my post count is still below 10 lel.

[old45]

Have seen a couple of people with gambling addictions get completely out of hand and this sort of behaviour is completely within the realm of possibility if it is indeed true that he was financing a gambling addiction. Australia are the biggest gamblers per capita in the world.

[DDDan]

It’s funny, I recently acquired a 216570 Explorer II - my first Rolex. My initial jubilation has been quelled somewhat by the feeling that I’ve bought into a hype beast that has been the catalyst for elaborate scams such as this.

The only way HH can handle this now is to come clean in a statement to the watch community, and face the music be it legal or financial.

[jvmartin]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

Those TRF members here who believe HH is innocence after all the facts, are you guys his “friends” or what? #chuckle

Good some of them are banned.


Thanks to Admins/Mods here


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

Read up on Charles Ponzi... he was receiving fan mail and Christmas cards while sitting in jail well after his scheme had been exposed...

[cpl]

Originally Posted by cpl

I have been reliably told that he sold another fake Daytona before this latest incident but the victim stayed quiet. I may have missed this information in the thread. So this was no accident and I retract what I said above.

The rumours of heavy gambling debts appear to be true which starts to explain a lot.

For the sake of accuracy (and I think it's an important point) I have to correct myself again...there was no second fake daytona (or any other fake) that we know of thus far

I can't edit original post.

[Oodles of Noodles]

I've also seen how bad gambling addictions can get. That said, it is no way any shape or form of a viable excuse for stealing and defrauding. I say this to vehemently oppose any semblance of sympathy for someone who has victimized innocent people.

[daveb]

Originally Posted by proftobes

Uncut Gems 2

I had the exact same thought.

[Cocochu]

I just want to say thank you to the OP for their encouragement to post this in the forum and for TRF to keep this post alive.

Although gambling(if it is true) or alcoholic is a very big issue but does that give them the right/excuses to scam other people.


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[imgook]

We have another.

User wants to stay anonymous. Details below.
//------------------ start -------------//

Thanks again for doing this. A brief summary below. Please don’t make this information public. I want to help the cause anonymously if possible.

19-Mar 2019 - contacted Chris through Instagram after seeing him advertise a Daytona 116500 white dial for sale (see screen grab). Says he has “a few” for sale as he’s finding funds for a grail purchase


20-Mar 2019 - agreed price of $20k USD. Picture of similar “full set” GMT sent. But panda is “in the bank”


11-Apr - false DHL tracking number received


Throughout April - various excuses about the problem. Chris speaks to his insurance. Chris says he’ll speak to the police.




Chris asks that I move conversion to WhatsApp.

May - I try to reverse the transfer with my bank. Blocked by his bank. Chris offers me a black Daytona as an alternative. I say no.


5 jun - Chris tries to send money back.


20 jun - partial refund (less £1250) received back


July - quiet time. Chris has lost another phone.


August - Chris explains that the difference is in x-rate. He offers to send some to bridge the gap.


Mid September- funds arrive back. Still £400 short but I decide to leave it there.


31 January - Chris calls me to ask that I stay quiet.


My personal take on all of this:
- Chris thought I was ripe for a fake watch but I let him know that I lost my job in April and he had an attack of conscience and decided to send the funds back. He obviously lied a lot along the way as the funds I sent went somewhere else and he couldn’t get them straight back.

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[cpl]

Originally Posted by jimmytamp

I don’t believe this.

I think now he doesn’t have anymore excuses and he used “gambling addictions” to get people pitty on him.

NO, he is a truly con artis
& scammers!!


Cheers...


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

I heard rumours of gambling debt 2 months ago. Today he told one of his victims that he has a gambling addiction. So he made up a gambling addiction to match the rumour I heard before the shit hit the fan over the last few days?

[old45]

Another one...

I can't decide whether a huge amount of effort and planning has gone into maintaining this scam or this is the ad hoc scheming of an addict. He clearly has an modus operandi though, same few excuses in each one of the transcripts I've seen.

Skeptical about the gambling addition... I will be skeptical about anything from here on out as he's obviously done so much lying... why stop now?

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by DDDan

The guy definitely needs help. Gambling or drugs makes sense here. The last videos of him saw him pale, overweight, baggy eyed and seemingly exhausted. What a fall from grace, and what a shit stain on the Australian watch community.

More and more people fell on him because he supposedly a “gambler”.

NO, I don’t buy that.

Looks like Chris friends’ has started the damaged control by “forgiving” him as a gambler?


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by xaykogeki

Just saw in AWF that a member got his Horology House NATO delivered. Can't post the link as my post count is still below 10 lel.

So what if the culprit delivered the strap?

Chris Essery is a scammer.


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by jvmartin

Read up on Charles Ponzi... he was receiving fan mail and Christmas cards while sitting in jail well after his scheme had been exposed...

To those fans I can say they are dumb. Sorry to say.


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/

[Qballdp]

Instagram account taken down within the last hour! That was his last remaining internet presence. Probably throwing his go bag into the Ute as we speak and headed for the outback!

[cpl]

Originally Posted by Oodles of Noodles

I really hope people are taking swift action because Chris' silence doesn't point to an honest apology any time soon; it likely points to him desperately trying to cover his tracks. As the European banker stated, there's a very good possibility he and any others involved are moving money around as we speak.

I personally don't think he has the money. That's why he's been taking advance payment and not delivering anything. The money has gone to pay gambling debts and legal fees.

[jimmytamp]

Originally Posted by cpl

I heard rumours of gambling debt 2 months ago. Today he told one of his victims that he has a gambling addiction. So he made up a gambling addiction to match the rumour I heard before the shit hit the fan over the last few days?

Do you trust what this culprit said??


https://www.instagram.com/fliegerb777/