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[77T]

Taking the flag from a corner marshal is icing on the cake.


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[bremersm]

Originally Posted by saxo3

What a race!
VER in hospital and HAM wins.

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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[walds11]

Originally Posted by bremersm

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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It looked that way, but the stewards called it a racing incident….assessed him a 10 second penalty…. What a crash! Poor Max.

[Speedbird-1]

Leclerc, just showed Max, what he should have done.

It's a motor race.

Justice was done.

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by 77T

VER transported. MRIs coming soon.


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A&E waiting times in the UK are horrendous

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by bremersm

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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Good good, let the hate flow through you.

[sillo]

Pit maneuver your closest championship rival out of the race and still win. Looks like we have a new, foolproof strategy for the WDC.

[77T]

Originally Posted by walds11

It looked that way, but the stewards called it a racing incident. What a crash! Poor Max.

Stewards called it predominantly HAM fault.
Not a racing incident.


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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by bremersm

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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Hatorade booth is now open.

[77T]

Originally Posted by bremersm

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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VER is not in the hospital because of HAM.

He was transported because of car rotating sideways after contact and then impact happening into to tire wall vs. TekPro which was just feet away.

You can’t judge a driving incident by the consequences afterward.

It was HAM responsibility but not done with malice - it was inches and may have missed completely.


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[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by bremersm

VER is in the hospital because of HAM. Lewus is a POS


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Motor racing is dangerous....it tells you that, on the back of every race day entrance ticket.

Hope Max is ok...he's a fantastic racer.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by 77T

Stewards called it predominantly HAM fault.
Not a racing incident.


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Got it. Sorry, I was in and out all morning and trying to catch up on the race.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Motor racing is dangerous....it tells you that, on the back of every race day entrance ticket.

Hope Max is ok...he's a fantastic racer.

I fear he is a long way from OK.

From a driver perspective he is certainly pissed. Losing 25 points in WDC will stay in his mind for weeks.

From a medical perspective he is almost certainly concussed. Liberty Media & FIA censored his radio comms. 51-52 G impact - legs, feet and ribs also bruised is my guess.


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[The Joker]

Horner is pi**ed

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver"

[77T]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Horner is pi**ed

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver"

True - I expect Hornet to support his driver.

And seeing a gap HAM took it - was bad outcome. The calculus at that speed is hard to complete in micro seconds.


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[sillo]

Originally Posted by The Joker

Horner is pi**ed

"if you no longer go for a gap that exists you are no longer a racing driver"

Loved the “hollow victory” quip. Wasn’t letting the sky crew get a rebuttal in either.

[77T]

For those who want to know…




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[saxo3]

VERY poor interview from HAM.
He did not even ask what is with with VER!

To be clear, I’m neither a HAM nor a VER fan.

[77T]

Time to watch another race…Spieth is creeping up on Morikowa at the Open Championship.


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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by 77T

VER is not in the hospital because of HAM.

He was transported because of car rotating sideways after contact and then impact happening into to tire wall vs. TekPro which was just feet away.

You can’t judge a driving incident by the consequences afterward.

It was HAM responsibility but not done with malice - it was inches and may have missed completely.


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Very well stated.

Originally Posted by 77T

Stewards called it predominantly HAM fault.
Not a racing incident.


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Apparently so, but hard to say it really was, even by the commentators. That was really two drivers going for it "racing" for position. Karun did a good break down showing Max's steering going into the corner, he started to turn right, saw Lewis, adjusted left, then turned back right where by that time he found Lewis' tire waiting....

Originally Posted by sillo

Loved the “hollow victory” quip. Wasn’t letting the sky crew get a rebuttal in either.

That's pure silliness, gotta expect a mom to fight tooth and nail for their baby...if it were the other way around and Ham crashed, he would be simply saying it's unfortunate but it's racing and Lewis should have given him the corner....
He wasn't even this pissed when Riccardo slammed into the back of Max at Baku. That was brutal, "hollow victory" that's just immature sulking.

[Mifune]

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some things not adding up

[77T]

Originally Posted by saxo3

VERY poor interview from HAM.
He did not even ask what is with with VER!

To be clear, I’m neither a HAM nor a VER fan.

It was a poor interview…
But HAM asked how VER was doing after hitting pit lane under Red Flag.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 77T

It was a poor interview…
But HAM asked how VER was doing after hitting pit lane under Red Flag.


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That's not the same as during the winner interview.
He could have asked and/or wish him a quick recovery! No?

[sillo]

Originally Posted by 77T

For those who want to know…




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The points system makes no sense to me. Not saying he deserves more, but seeing Perez get 4 in Austria and Yuki getting 2 for crossing the pit entry line you’d expect a different outcome here.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Very well stated.



Apparently so, but hard to say it really was, even by the commentators. That was really two drivers going for it "racing" for position. Karun did a good break down showing Max's steering going into the corner, he started to turn right, saw Lewis, adjusted left, then turned back right where by that time he found Lewis' tire waiting....

Thanks.

Yes and Karun was doing that analysis right afterward. With time he would have commented on the what if’s.

Incidents are often a chain of decisions, the laws of physics and judgement.

The judgement to poke a nose into T9 was the poor choice. If VER had somehow avoided the first contact, the vector HAM had would have ended in a side-to-side impact exiting the turn.

That’s why we don’t take that choice.

But I’m not criticizing either driver - those were the decisions taken and the contact was inevitable. Either when it did happen or a bit further down the track.

LEC took a wide line and you saw how that ended. Surrendering to the inevitable and he finished P2.


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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Motor racing is dangerous....it tells you that, on the back of every race day entrance ticket....

Agree hope Max is OK.

Motorsports is dangerous. Even in SCCA regional event you basically sign your life away and nearly all rights, loss of life, yada yada, etc etc.

Am sure this drama will be made as big as possible for publicity sake. Europe desperately needs a good distraction and all that.

[77T]

Originally Posted by saxo3

That's not the same as during the winner interview.
He could have asked and/or wish him a quick recovery! No?

That would have been my choice.

I was just making sure people knew HAM did ask - and asked at the appropriate time.

Remember HAM may have believed on the Podium that he was in the right. Only after seeing the video in freeze frame plus his vector data will he apologize (as I believe he should).


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[77T]

Originally Posted by sillo

The points system makes no sense to me. Not saying he deserves more, but seeing Perez get 4 in Austria and Yuki getting 2 for crossing the pit entry line you’d expect a different outcome here.

The points are automatic and published but I understand one can disagree.

The Stewards did not take a decision against HAM that it was deliberate or malicious. The points are appropriate based on the offense.

You have some points confused about Austria.

PER got +5sec. and 2 points per offense just like HAM for forcing PER off track. He did it twice in two different turns. (T4 & T6)







And on the TSU penalty for failure to enter pit lane correctly, he got +5 sec. and 1 point.



Just sayin’


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[dan993]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Leclerc, just showed Max, what he should have done.

It's a motor race.

Justice was done.

For me that's correct. Leclerc left the space needed because Hamilton was there. Max's biggest failing is he drives too aggressively and these things can happen when you do.

Bear in mind the stewards look at all the evidence and a penalty was given to Hamilton, end of!

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by 77T

Thanks.

Yes and Karun was doing that analysis right afterward. With time he would have commented on the what if’s.

Incidents are often a chain of decisions, the laws of physics and judgement.

The judgement to poke a nose into T9 was the poor choice. If VER had somehow avoided the first contact, the vector HAM had would have ended in a side-to-side impact exiting the turn.

That’s why we don’t take that choice.

But I’m not criticizing either driver - those were the decisions taken and the contact was inevitable. Either when it did happen or a bit further down the track.

LEC took a wide line and you saw how that ended. Surrendering to the inevitable and he finished P2.


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This situation perfectly explains the rational when determining a “racing incident” because it’s very difficult to Monday night quarterback this. They were going what 160-180 in that turn?? Those three steering wheel inputs Max gave probably happened within a hundredth of a second or less.

Lewis usually gives Max lots of room, he’s said this during interviews. During that lap he gave up ground to Max in previous corners, if he were to let himself be bullied at every corner then he’ll never beat Max again.

I posted before the race how Max has become more focused and less reckless, this first lap was old Max to me, and old Max usually produced this similar result.

I’m not saying Lewis was right not that Max was necessarily wrong, but LeClerc went into the same situation and didn’t end up having a 51g crash as a result, he got second place and no hospital visits.

That quote about no longer going for a gap that exists, applies perfectly here, for both drivers, I think both saw a gap…. Hence why I get the racing incident. HAAS’ team principal emphatically agreed, they’re racing, it’s what we want them to do right.