Aaron Faber

[Zabaco]

First of all, I am not Mr. Faber. For those of you who have insulted me with foul terms like "rotter," I'm sure this goes against the terms of proper conduct of this forum. Considering one of you is a so-called "moderator," you should resign your position.

So you think because I recommended that a tourist visit the Faber Gallery, I must be Mr. Faber? Or that I have some financial interest in his store? That kind of logic is what makes your point nearly unworthy of comment.

If you read post #1, you'll notice numerous grammatical errors that led me to make the 'broken English" comment. OK. it was probably not politically correct. But can you explain this?


Aaron Faber exhibit basically zero product knowledge of fine watches. Aaron Faber mislead people into thinking that they are knowledgable when in fact they are far from it.

Exactly who's not knowledgeable? What people? That's what I was talking about. If you don't like it, why don't you do what the guy who claims to be owed "tens of thousands of dollars" should do: TAKE IT TO COURT. Flooding a business with antagonistic, threatening emails is infantile at best, and possibly actionable.

I find the demeanor of this forum mostly civil and polite. There is a small group who are immature, clownish and just plain rude and obnoxious. You know who you are.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Zabaco

So you think because I recommended that a tourist visit the Faber Gallery, I must be Mr. Faber? Or that I have some financial interest in his store? That kind of logic is what makes your point nearly unworthy of comment.

A. Of course you're not Faber, just a fanboy. He's too cowardly to show his face to Dr. Pav directly or these forums.

If you read post #1, you'll notice numerous grammatical errors that led me to make the 'broken English" comment. OK. it was probably not politically correct. But can you explain this?

B. Post #1 was created by The Boss, Big Cheese, Top Banana etc.

Your piss take of him has gone down like a lead balloon. I can see absolutely no reason to explain anything to you since you are the visitor.

For those of you who have insulted me with foul terms like "rotter," I'm sure this goes against the terms of proper conduct of this forum. Considering one of you is a so-called "moderator," you should resign your position.

C. Says you. That's the same sort of ill conceived air of self importance that you've exhibited previously here and it wasn't unnoticed at the time let me tell you.

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As if you ever had the tiniest right to demand such a thing.

When The Boss says I'm to go, I'm history. Until then, I'm doing exactly this sort of thing.

Aaron Faber exhibit basically zero product knowledge of fine watches. Aaron Faber mislead people into thinking that they are knowledgable when in fact they are far from it.

D. Well that's the first sensible thing you've said.

I find the demeanor of this forum mostly civil and polite. There is a small group who are immature, clownish and just plain rude and obnoxious. You know who you are.

E. Who cares an nanometre?

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[robertneville]

I am a professor (albeit not English) and have graded 1000's of papers through the years, and I perfectly understand Steve's English, and more importantly. Comprehend it's meaning.

[WyoWatch]

Wow, after reading this thread, all I can say is I hope you get your money back from that scumbag. I hate to hear of things like this happening to people.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Zabaco

Flooding a business with antagonistic, threatening emails is infantile at best, and possibly actionable.

There is still a tremendous amount of ill feeling and energy towards Faber and his actions. It has a very long half life I can tell you.

Piggy banks are there to be broken.

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by Zabaco

First of all, I am not Mr. Faber. For those of you who have insulted me with foul terms like "rotter," I'm sure this goes against the terms of proper conduct of this forum. Considering one of you is a so-called "moderator," you should resign your position.

So you think because I recommended that a tourist visit the Faber Gallery, I must be Mr. Faber? Or that I have some financial interest in his store? That kind of logic is what makes your point nearly unworthy of comment.

If you read post #1, you'll notice numerous grammatical errors that led me to make the 'broken English" comment. OK. it was probably not politically correct. But can you explain this?


Aaron Faber exhibit basically zero product knowledge of fine watches. Aaron Faber mislead people into thinking that they are knowledgable when in fact they are far from it.

Exactly who's not knowledgeable? What people? That's what I was talking about. If you don't like it, why don't you do what the guy who claims to be owed "tens of thousands of dollars" should do: TAKE IT TO COURT. Flooding a business with antagonistic, threatening emails is infantile at best, and possibly actionable.

I find the demeanor of this forum mostly civil and polite. There is a small group who are immature, clownish and just plain rude and obnoxious. You know who you are.

Mr. Zabaco,

Often times there are two sides to a story. That is not the case here.

Mr. Faber knows he owes me the money and acknowledges it in emails.

Again, Mr. Faber contracted to sell a Rolex Exp II 'cream dial' for me on consignment for 8500. He sold it a couple of weeks later at a nice markup for himself (as per the saleswomen who works there). He never paid me for it and continues to refuse. Now what is the other side of the story???? At around the same time he offered me a 'brand new Patek 5125P' wristwatch. We made a deal which included a couple of trades and cash as this is a rare and expensive piece. I gave a deposit of 26,150.

A couple of months later when he received the watch (yes he sold it to me sight unseen.... I did not need to see it as it was supposed to be BRAND NEW with everything included). I then went in to his shop to finalize the deal. It took me 1 second to see the watch was covered with scratches and dings (some deep). The watch was well used and not even close to new. I did not accept it. He promised a refund. To date, he has not refunded me and I gave him the deposit in February.

Now what can be the other side of the story??? Even to a simpleton like yourself this deal should be very easy to comprehend.

And yes I am suing him. Thank you for your concern. Ed Faber is a fool but not foolish enough to go to court....

[tgoose1]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

There is still a tremendous amount of ill feeling and energy towards Faber and his actions. It has a very long half life I can tell you.

Piggy banks are there to be broken.

And it could be your piggy bank too. Appears to be a growing paper trail leading back to you, that could be construed as malicious intent to destroy someone's business reputation. This is outside of whatever happened w/Pav and the dealer regarding the Patek issue. It would be wise to proceed with caution and concern about what is now potentially out of your control, but not your accountability.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Zabaco

I have read the original poster's complaint about Aaron Faber Gallery, and there isn't one solid piece of information that warrants this kind of wholesale condemnation. I could hardly understand his stream of broken English or his repetitive accusations. There wasn't one specific thing mentioned: Just generalities. And I really don't like the way everyone just jumped on the bandwagon to vilify this businessman whose been in New York for many, many years. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

You seem to have tunnel vision on some grammatical issue. You need to open your eyes here this isn't about trying to give me an English lesson.

You choose to ignore that there is a first hand account here from a very well respected professional person from New York who has paid a significant sum to Edward Faber and also entrusted a Rolex with him on consignment that has been sold to a third party.

It is now 6 months down the track and the member who gives a first hand account of this has received NOTHING from Edward Faber except the door slammed in his face.

You also overlook the terms and conditions stated at the start of this thread which are blatantly illegal terms that attempt to exclude Aaron Faber from any kind of accountability. How about telling us how fair you think those terms and conditions appear, or do you find them to your grammatical satisfaction.

You're just and Edward Faber stooge, you have no facts to present, just personal attacks on those who present the facts.

Examples were given of a non-disclosure on the Aaron Faber the website (Day-Date) and the misinformation regarding another model (Sea-Dweller helium escape valve).

Try a bit harder because you're just wasting everyones time with your unfounded claims.

[Traveler]

Caveat Emptor !

[expensivetaste]

I hope you get things worked out, I have been doing business with Mr. Faber for over 20 years and have never been treated unfairly. Not to mention Mr. Faber is a founding member of the International watch and jewelry guild and is considered one of New York City's top jewelry stores, which in itself is no small feat. In regards to warranties they offer what any retailer offers and have actually gone above and beyond for myself and several colleagues on many occasions.

Warranties:
Our jewelry is guaranteed to be as stated: the period, the materials and the manufacturer - or we will refund your money. There is no warranty on the jewelry itself but we, like you, expect it to stand up to normal wear and tear unless otherwise advised. We have a full time service department to repair or restore any jewelry that is damaged or worn, (link to service center).
Here are the basics: opals are delicate, enamel is fragile, pearls cannot be exposed to hair spray or chemicals, emeralds should never be subjected to heat or sonic cleaning, no one can drop their jewelry without expecting an unpleasant outcome, no weight-lifting with those rings, and, should the jewelry be serviced outside Aaron Faber, we simply have no way to provide support afterwards.
All our timepieces are warranted for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours. All our watches are serviced before you buy them, but adjustments are often necessary for vintage timepieces. We will pay round-trip shipping on website purchases for one adjustment. All adjustments within the 18 months of purchase are free, but subject to shipping and insurance fees. Our timepiece warranty does NOT cover the outer or cosmetic parts of the watch (crystal, band, and bezel) and is void if the watch is dropped or exposed to water. In all service issues, we are sensitive to your concerns, so please E-mail service@aaronfaber.com or call 212-582-1088 or write to us at: AF Services, 666 Fifth Avenue, Subway Arcade, New York, NY 10103 and we will do our best to provide the service you expect.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

I hope you get things worked out, I have been doing business with Mr. Faber for over 20 years and have never been treated unfairly. Not to mention Mr. Faber is a founding member of the International watch and jewelry guild and is considered one of New York City's top jewelry stores, which in itself is no small feat. In regards to warranties they offer what any retailer offers and have actually gone above and beyond for myself and several colleagues on many occasions.

Warranties:
Our jewelry is guaranteed to be as stated: the period, the materials and the manufacturer - or we will refund your money. There is no warranty on the jewelry itself but we, like you, expect it to stand up to normal wear and tear unless otherwise advised. We have a full time service department to repair or restore any jewelry that is damaged or worn, (link to service center).
Here are the basics: opals are delicate, enamel is fragile, pearls cannot be exposed to hair spray or chemicals, emeralds should never be subjected to heat or sonic cleaning, no one can drop their jewelry without expecting an unpleasant outcome, no weight-lifting with those rings, and, should the jewelry be serviced outside Aaron Faber, we simply have no way to provide support afterwards.
All our timepieces are warranted for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours. All our watches are serviced before you buy them, but adjustments are often necessary for vintage timepieces. We will pay round-trip shipping on website purchases for one adjustment. All adjustments within the 18 months of purchase are free, but subject to shipping and insurance fees. Our timepiece warranty does NOT cover the outer or cosmetic parts of the watch (crystal, band, and bezel) and is void if the watch is dropped or exposed to water. In all service issues, we are sensitive to your concerns, so please E-mail service@aaronfaber.com or call 212-582-1088 or write to us at: AF Services, 666 Fifth Avenue, Subway Arcade, New York, NY 10103 and we will do our best to provide the service you expect.

Ok.....
So obviously you work for this guy who is withholding funds to a fellow member!!!
Can you explain,in depth,why he has not recieved any money over the transaction in question that has dragged on since Feb of this year??

If you can't,let's hear from the boss himself........

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by tgoose1

And it could be your piggy bank too. Appears to be a growing paper trail leading back to you, that could be construed as malicious intent to destroy someone's business reputation. This is outside of whatever happened w/Pav and the dealer regarding the Patek issue. It would be wise to proceed with caution and concern about what is now potentially out of your control, but not your accountability.

How about your piggy bank????
A member longer than I and still no pledge to help the forum???
The paper trail to you is calling you out.......Why no pledge???

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by sleddog1000

Ok.....
So obviously you work for this guy who is withholding funds to a fellow member!!!
Can you explain,in depth,why he has not recieved any money over the transaction in question that has dragged on since Feb of this year??

If you can't,let's hear from the boss himself........

I cannot speak on the implied misfortunes that this gentleman has had in his dealings with Mr. Faber as I do not work for him. I am however a loyal customer as stated, and have been for some 20 odd years. I am retired military and have never worked in a jewelry store. I am not here to argue, I was just simply stating that I have never had any problems, nor has anyone I know in their dealings with Mr. Faber. I take all information into consideration when dealing with businesses but just because one person has had a bad experience does not justify, in my opinion, that a business practices shoddy customer service. Mr. Faber carries a lot of weight in the watch collector world, I had the pleasure of accompanying several members of the Saudi royal family to a lecture of Mr. Faber's in Dubai in 2004 and was thoroughly impressed by the turnout. I do apologize if anyone is offended by my dealings with Mr. Faber, as long as I continue to receive top shelf customer service I will continue my dealings with him.

[Lol-x]

Well how does one explain the trading terms stated in post #2 of this thread (and the link provided therein).

I'm sure Aaron Faber has done a lot of deals over the years but that of itself is of little assistance.

Here we have a members watch that Edward Faber sold 6 months ago and has appropriated both the watch and the proceeds of sale. How would you feel if you gave Edward Faber a watch to sell and then kept the entire proceeds of sale for 6 months and slammed the door in your face?

Also the said member had agreed to buy a very expensive collectable watch sight unseen subject to it being in accordance with the description. Paid a substantial deposit and when the watch was presented to him it did not accord with the description given by Edward Faber. So Edward Faber appropriated the deposit and gave the intending purchaser nothing.

Its not unusual for a collector of fine watches to be spun a story and put down a holding deposit subject to production and visual confirmation. Where does the seller have the right or entitlement to forfeit the prospective purchaser's deposit on a handshake arrangement if the buyer upon seeing the watch doesn't take it?

This smacks of sharp and unethical conduct. The kind of tactics that unfortunately are occasionally found and which need to be stamped out.

The least we can do is spread the word and if the seller will not reform himself, then the public needs to be informed and protected. If that ultimately means the seller goes out of business well he is the author of his own destiny.

[Idle Swede]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

I cannot speak on the implied misfortunes that this gentleman has had in his dealings with Mr. Faber as I do not work for him. I am however a loyal customer as stated, and have been for some 20 odd years. I am retired military and have never worked in a jewelry store. I am not here to argue, I was just simply stating that I have never had any problems, nor has anyone I know in their dealings with Mr. Faber. I take all information into consideration when dealing with businesses but just because one person has had a bad experience does not justify, in my opinion, that a business practices shoddy customer service. Mr. Faber carries a lot of weight in the watch collector world, I had the pleasure of accompanying several members of the Saudi royal family to a lecture of Mr. Faber's in Dubai in 2004 and was thoroughly impressed by the turnout. I do apologize if anyone is offended by my dealings with Mr. Faber, as long as I continue to receive top shelf customer service I will continue my dealings with him.

Of course you should continue dealing with him if you're pleased with his services but this is not what this is about.

Fact is that a member here is out $35,000 since Feb and that to me doesn't sound like "Top shelf customer service".

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Well how does one explain the trading terms stated in post #2 of this thread (and the link provided therein).

I'm sure Aaron Faber has done a lot of deals over the years but that of itself is of little assistance.

Here we have a members watch that Edward Faber sold 6 months ago and has appropriated both the watch and the proceeds of sale. How would you feel if you gave Edward Faber a watch to sell and then kept the entire proceeds of sale for 6 months and slammed the door in your face?

Also the said member had agreed to buy a very expensive collectable watch sight unseen subject to it being in accordance with the description. Paid a substantial deposit and when the watch was presented to him it did not accord with the description given by Edward Faber. So Edward Faber appropriated the deposit and gave the intending purchaser nothing.

Its not unusual for a collector of fine watches to be spun a story and put down a holding deposit subject to production and visual confirmation. Where does the seller have the right or entitlement to forfeit the prospective purchaser's deposit on a handshake arrangement if the buyer upon seeing the watch doesn't take it?

This smacks of sharp and unethical conduct. The kind of tactics that unfortunately are occasionally found and which need to be stamped out.

The least we can do is spread the word and if the seller will not reform himself, then the public needs to be informed and protected. If that ultimately means the seller goes out of business well he is the author of his own destiny.

As stated in my original post, I sincerely hope this gentleman gets these misgivings worked out. I cannot comment on these transactions because I was not there to see what really happened. As far as post number 2.....these are merely website terms of use and are directed toward implied liability by the use of their website, similar to the HOT label on McDonalds coffee. Would you not go eat at your favorite restaurant anymore because someone caught a stomach flu but insisted they got sick off of the food? This is one persons dealings with a business who conducts millions of dollars a year in transactions!

[Kokyuryoku]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

In regards to warranties they offer what any retailer offers and have actually gone above and beyond for myself and several colleagues on many occasions.

Warranties:
Our jewelry is guaranteed to be as stated: the period, the materials and the manufacturer - or we will refund your money. There is no warranty on the jewelry itself but we, like you, expect it to stand up to normal wear and tear unless otherwise advised. We have a full time service department to repair or restore any jewelry that is damaged or worn, (link to service center).
Here are the basics: opals are delicate, enamel is fragile, pearls cannot be exposed to hair spray or chemicals, emeralds should never be subjected to heat or sonic cleaning, no one can drop their jewelry without expecting an unpleasant outcome, no weight-lifting with those rings, and, should the jewelry be serviced outside Aaron Faber, we simply have no way to provide support afterwards.
All our timepieces are warranted for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours. All our watches are serviced before you buy them, but adjustments are often necessary for vintage timepieces. We will pay round-trip shipping on website purchases for one adjustment. All adjustments within the 18 months of purchase are free, but subject to shipping and insurance fees. Our timepiece warranty does NOT cover the outer or cosmetic parts of the watch (crystal, band, and bezel) and is void if the watch is dropped or exposed to water. In all service issues, we are sensitive to your concerns, so please E-mail service@aaronfaber.com or call 212-582-1088 or write to us at: AF Services, 666 Fifth Avenue, Subway Arcade, New York, NY 10103 and we will do our best to provide the service you expect.

Interesting. The warranty seems to be very strange if you ask me. They only guarantee the period, materials and manufacturer, but not the actual piece....hmmm.....strange Also, there time pieces are covered for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours I guess these aren't certified chronometers then....strange And if the crystal, bracelet or bezel fail or break it's not their problem either......hmmmm...strange They also state that if the watch is dropped or exposed to water the warranty is void, well the dropping part I can understand, but exposure to water....hmmmm strange I guess it's not a good idea to purchase a diver watch from them then

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

I cannot speak on the implied misfortunes that this gentleman has had in his dealings with Mr. Faber as I do not work for him. I am however a loyal customer as stated, and have been for some 20 odd years. I am retired military and have never worked in a jewelry store. I am not here to argue, I was just simply stating that I have never had any problems, nor has anyone I know in their dealings with Mr. Faber. I take all information into consideration when dealing with businesses but just because one person has had a bad experience does not justify, in my opinion, that a business practices shoddy customer service. Mr. Faber carries a lot of weight in the watch collector world, I had the pleasure of accompanying several members of the Saudi royal family to a lecture of Mr. Faber's in Dubai in 2004 and was thoroughly impressed by the turnout. I do apologize if anyone is offended by my dealings with Mr. Faber, as long as I continue to receive top shelf customer service I will continue my dealings with him.

Noted........
I hope you see the big picture here.....!
He maybe a long standing bussiness man,but he needs to come forward and address the issue at hand. Alot of money is at stake and this site and it's members are only backing the facts!! It stands to reason that at the very least,a refund should be given yesterday.....
I don't control,nor do I condone other members here but a resolution needs to be had.
If you have the relationship you do with this guy,then let him know of the scope and impact that this will have on his rep.....

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Of course you should continue dealing with him if you're pleased with his services but this is not what this is about.

Fact is that a member here is out $35,000 since Feb and that to me doesn't sound like "Top shelf customer service".

You are correct sir, if this happened I am truly saddened, and I do hope that he gets it worked out. I do not understand why this is turning into more than it is, I merely stated that I have had great dealings with them for a long time.

[Lol-x]

The website is part and parcel of the Aaron Faber business.
The website does sell online very expensive watches and jewellery.
The terms and conditions do apply to sales on the website.
Aaron Faber does proffer the terms and conditions stated and as I have said these are oppressive and unconscionable.

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by Kokyuryoku

Interesting. The warranty seems to be very strange if you ask me. They only guarantee the period, materials and manufacturer, but not the actual piece....hmmm.....strange Also, there time pieces are covered for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours I guess these aren't certified chronometers then....strange And if the crystal, bracelet or bezel fail or break it's not their problem either......hmmmm...strange They also state that if the watch is dropped or exposed to water the warranty is void, well the dropping part I can understand, but exposure to water....hmmmm strange I guess it's not a good idea to purchase a diver watch from them then

In direct accordance with any used watch retailer.....

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

I hope you get things worked out, I have been doing business with Mr. Faber for over 20 years and have never been treated unfairly. Not to mention Mr. Faber is a founding member of the International watch and jewelry guild and is considered one of New York City's top jewelry stores, which in itself is no small feat. In regards to warranties they offer what any retailer offers and have actually gone above and beyond for myself and several colleagues on many occasions.

Warranties:
Our jewelry is guaranteed to be as stated: the period, the materials and the manufacturer - or we will refund your money. There is no warranty on the jewelry itself but we, like you, expect it to stand up to normal wear and tear unless otherwise advised. We have a full time service department to repair or restore any jewelry that is damaged or worn, (link to service center).
Here are the basics: opals are delicate, enamel is fragile, pearls cannot be exposed to hair spray or chemicals, emeralds should never be subjected to heat or sonic cleaning, no one can drop their jewelry without expecting an unpleasant outcome, no weight-lifting with those rings, and, should the jewelry be serviced outside Aaron Faber, we simply have no way to provide support afterwards.
All our timepieces are warranted for accurate timekeeping of 2 minutes per 24 hours. All our watches are serviced before you buy them, but adjustments are often necessary for vintage timepieces. We will pay round-trip shipping on website purchases for one adjustment. All adjustments within the 18 months of purchase are free, but subject to shipping and insurance fees. Our timepiece warranty does NOT cover the outer or cosmetic parts of the watch (crystal, band, and bezel) and is void if the watch is dropped or exposed to water. In all service issues, we are sensitive to your concerns, so please E-mail service@aaronfaber.com or call 212-582-1088 or write to us at: AF Services, 666 Fifth Avenue, Subway Arcade, New York, NY 10103 and we will do our best to provide the service you expect.

I can only tell you my story and experience with Mr. Faber. I am glad YOU have had no issues. I am in a different position.... having given him 26,150 and an 8,500 watch with nothing to show for it except a paper contract he did not abide by and a copy of my personal check that he deposited into his bank account.

[expensivetaste]

If they had such oppressive and unconscionable dealings how is it that he is one of the most regarded watch enthusiasts in the world?

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

You are correct sir, if this happened I am truly saddened, and I do hope that he gets it worked out. I do not understand why this is turning into more than it is, I merely stated that I have had great dealings with them for a long time.

It did happen and it will get worked out .... I guarantee it. Unfortunately, it will get worked out only because Mr. Faber is forced to do so.

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I can only tell you my story and experience with Mr. Faber. I am glad YOU have had no issues. I am in a different position.... having given him 26,150 and an 8,500 watch with nothing to show for it except a paper contract he did not abide by and a copy of my personal check that he deposited into his bank account.

I understand and thank you for that, I hope these things get worked out in a speedy and positive manner.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

In direct accordance with any used watch retailer.....

Not true of a competent watchmaker Faber claims to be...!
His disclaimers at best hold no value other than to himself.........

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

If they had such oppressive and unconscionable dealings how is it that he is one of the most regarded watch enthusiasts in the world?

Over the past 6 months I have heard of other well known, highly regarded watch collectors having problems with Mr. Faber. One well known vintage Rolex collector/seller in NYC sold a piece to Mr. Faber and it took 6 months and many phone calls to get paid.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

If they had such oppressive and unconscionable dealings how is it that he is one of the most regarded watch enthusiasts in the world?

Ignorance of reputation...

[expensivetaste]

Originally Posted by sleddog1000

Ignorance of reputation...

A possibility indeed......but if YOU have never done business with them them your argument carries no weight.

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by expensivetaste

I understand and thank you for that, I hope these things get worked out in a speedy and positive manner.

If you know Mr. Faber so well and have a good relationship with him for so many years, why don't WE visit him TOGETHER to discuss this issue.