AFC Championship time....

[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by Angrypuppy

I'm only here so I won't get fined.

Awesome

[Brunotheboxer]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

I don't think I would be enjoying the week knowing that my team has been cheating their way in year in and year out.

Have fun with the Seahawks this week!

Suck on that Bro.

[East Bay Rider]

Everyone whining about the alleged 'cheating' seem to forget that the Patriots dominated the second half of that game - AFTER the balls had been switched back to the regulation pressure.
So really the Patriots played better with the harder balls than with the softer ones. That's why this whole ball controversy is such a NON-issue.
No matter, the 2 week long distraction didn't work and The Patriots won.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

That's why this whole ball controversy is such a NON-issue.

It's an issue if it is found that New England altered the balls.

The outcome of the game is immaterial.

Chris Collinsworth thinks we'll know tomorrow what the league's finding are.

I hope the drama will finally be over.

[linesiders]

Perfectly confident the inflate gate will be determined no foul and that people will still complain about it

[Rondineli]

Here is to the Pats

[ceo012384]

They hate us, cuz they ain't us. City of champions!

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

They hate us, cuz they ain't us. City of champions!

It has been a great decade and a half

Since my son was born:
4 Pats
3 Sox
1 Bruins
1 Celts

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by ceo012384

They hate us, cuz they ain't us. City of champions!

Oh my...

[Ed Rooney]

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Suck on that Bro.

Thank Mr Carroll for that one.


Never go full Pete Carroll!!

[Brunotheboxer]

Originally Posted by Ed Rooney

Thank Mr Carroll for that one.


Never go full Pete Carroll!!

Nah. I'll thank Butler.

One of the Greatest plays in super bowl history.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Nah. I'll thank Butler.

One of the Greatest plays in super bowl history.

I couldn't agree more.

I think it ranks right up there with the "immaculate reception."

[Tripp11]

Based on the evidence developed in connection with the investigation and summarized in this Report, we have concluded that it is more probable than not that New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the NFL Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate attempt to circumvent those rules. In particular, we conclude that it is more probable than not that Jim McNally and John Jastremski participated in a deliberate plan to circumvent the rules by releasing air from Patriots game balls after the examination of the footballs by NFL game officials at the AFC Championship Game. We believe that McNally and Jastremski were aware that the inflation level of the Patriots game balls following pre-game inspection by the game officials would be approximately 12.5 psi and planned for McNally to deflate the balls below that level following the pre-game inspection using a needle provided by Jastremski. Based on the evidence, we also have concluded that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com...championsh.pdf

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Tripp11

https://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com...championsh.pdf

Pretty damning evidence, if you ask me.

[teqp]

Based on the evidence, it also is our view that it is more probable than not that Tom Brady (the quarterback for the Patriots) was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities of McNally and Jastremski involving the release of air from Patriots game balls.

Goodell better come down hard on all of them.

[wantonebad]

This report calls out Brady, he has to answer to it, period. He claims he knew nothing, this report is calling him a liar so his actions from here-on-in will determine what happens. If he clams up, or comes out guns blazing I'd be suspicious. We shall see...

[Tripp11]

Another forum I frequent stated that it was reported Brady refused to turn over his phone for analysis to Wells and his investigators.

I haven't read the entire report yet, but I wonder if that is contained within the report anywhere.

Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered
questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information
(including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited
to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game
balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady‟s
counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive
materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic
devices. Our inability to review contemporaneous communications and other documents in
Brady‟s possession and control related to the matters under review potentially limited the
discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation.

Edit above.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by Tripp11

Another forum I frequent stated that it was reported Brady refused to turn over his phone for analysis to Wells and his investigators.

Page 20 of the report.

Page 25 of the PDF.

[azguy]

The only thing that surprised me is that anyone would use text or email in this day and age. Be like the mafia, "walk'n'talks"

[Tripp11]

Originally Posted by azguy

The only thing that surprised me is that anyone would use text or email in this day and age. Be like the mafia, "walk'n'talks"

Agree. If it's going to go on, and it's not on the up and up, why use electronic communication at all? Face to face conversations where any sort of investigation would discover NOTHING as long as the parties don't talk. And if the parties talk, it's "he said, she said" where one side doesn't agree with the other side's story.

[mannyv11]

they are more probable than not, still isn't definitive proof.
how can you come down on someone for we think 51% to 49% that they did it?
what a waste of NFL resources for this entire investigation and all they got was "we think they might have possible maybe known about it"

good job by the NFL on another witch hunt.

[Brunotheboxer]

I read this on the Internet I have not researched it myself to see if it is it is in fact true.


So during the investigation the Wells report hired a company, who once said second hand smoke doesn't cause cancer.
Oh ok....very reliable source.

[Gaijin]

Read through most of that.



















I have nothing nice to say after reading through most of that so I am just gonna stop typing right now.

[Tripp11]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

they are more probable than not, still isn't definitive proof.
how can you come down on someone for we think 51% to 49% that they did it?
what a waste of NFL resources for this entire investigation and all they got was "we think they might have possible maybe known about it"

good job by the NFL on another witch hunt.

“More probable than not” equates to a “preponderance of the evidence,” the standard that applies in most civil lawsuits.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...legal-meaning/

[bmpwatch]

"hate us cuz they aint us" .its been happening for years thats what happens when you are the best....every QB in the league does this but Pats target of another witch hunt due to being a dynasty...If I were other teams in the league I would watch out. Even more motivation to get ring #5

[Tripp11]

Originally Posted by bmpwatch

"hate us cuz they aint us" .its been happening for years thats what happens when you are the best....every QB in the league does this but Pats target of another witch hunt due to being a dynasty...If I were other teams in the league I would watch out. Even more motivation to get ring #5

Proof that every QB in the league does this?

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by bmpwatch

"hate us cuz they aint us" .its been happening for years thats what happens when you are the best....every QB in the league does this but Pats target of another witch hunt due to being a dynasty...If I were other teams in the league I would watch out. Even more motivation to get ring #5

There is some truth to what you are saying however at this stage I want Brady to come clean, if that means he did some doctoring, tell us. If that means that McNally and Yaz had orders to do some tinkering after the ref inspection then tell us, this is not circle the wagons time. Whether the scrutiny, accusations and attention on the patriots for this incident is fair, not fair, a witch hunt or an orchestrated attack by the NFL, two rival franchises or self destruction doesn't matter to me, I want the truth and I don't want to hear about jealousy or ulterior motives. Someone needs to man up here and right now I think that person is Brady. If he did nothing he needs to compel us all in some way that he did nothing, sorry, that's how I feel.

No bigger Boston sports fan anywhere then me, but this is getting very tiring. Can't wait till Sunday's mother's day Brunch at my BIL's house, he's a GIANTS/Yankee's fan and my Nephew lives in Baltimore, loves the Ravens and they both have battalions worth of ammo for me. I better wear my Kevlar undies...

Originally Posted by Tripp11

Proof that every QB in the league does this?

That's just silly, the NYT did a piece 3 years ago that talked about individual QB's treatment of game balls. It was Brady and Payton Manning (when he was with the colts) that went to the rules committee to get them to allow the teams to scuff up the balls before games.

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

they are more probable than not, still isn't definitive proof.
how can you come down on someone for we think 51% to 49% that they did it?
what a waste of NFL resources for this entire investigation and all they got was "we think they might have possible maybe known about it"

good job by the NFL on another witch hunt.

What's the integrity of the game worth?

[teqp]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

I better wear my Kevlar undies...

Better hit the Barry Crockett before you go to brunch Sunday!

[Tripp11]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

That's just silly, the NYT did a piece 3 years ago that talked about individual QB's treatment of game balls. It was Brady and Payton Manning (when he was with the colts) that went to the rules committee to get them to allow the teams to scuff up the balls before games.

I'm asking for proof that every quarterback in the league plays with the PSI level in the balls and has them below the allowable limits. Unless the poster is not suggesting that all QB's do that; however, that's what this entire investigation pertains to - the deflating of balls below the allowable limits AFTER the head official has inspected them.

I'm not disputing that QB's like to have a certain feel to their balls, whether that means scuffing them or massaging them or whatever it is they do with their balls.