Bump, Bump, Goose? S’long Nautilus speculators!

[pam66]

Originally Posted by ap1

Are the beads art

if the enamel WTs are art, then i don't see why the beads shouldn't be

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by pam66

if the enamel WTs are art, then i don't see why the beads shouldn't be

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by pam66

if the enamel WTs are art, then i don't see why the beads shouldn't be

Beads could be art... as u know I’m not good at telling what art is.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by pam66

if the enamel WTs are art, then i don't see why the beads shouldn't be

I think to make such an enamel dial you need an artist to make it a simple craftsmen just not good enough,may be i m wrong .In my opinion and many of you will argue with me but the PP WT enamel dials are the quintessence of PP haute horologerie ,PCCs are great Split seconds are even greater but for ME the WT is the superwatch.

[Aquaman]

[QUOTE=Passionata;9913349]I think to make such an enamel dial you need an artist to make it a simple craftsmen just not good enough,may be i m wrong .In my opinion and many of you will argue with me but the PP WT enamel dials are the quintessence of PP haute horologerie ,PCCs are great Split seconds are even greater but for ME the WT is the superwatch.[/QUOTE

Each to there own opinion. Be a boring world if everyone thought the same]

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Beads could be art... as u know I’m not good at telling what art is.

the “Fountain”is an art too

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Passionata

the “Fountain”is an art too

Is that a fountain or an upside down urinal lol


Separately I still love your WT!

[Fat_ninja]

[QUOTE=Aquaman;9913356]

Originally Posted by Passionata

I think to make such an enamel dial you need an artist to make it a simple craftsmen just not good enough,may be i m wrong .In my opinion and many of you will argue with me but the PP WT enamel dials are the quintessence of PP haute horologerie ,PCCs are great Split seconds are even greater but for ME the WT is the superwatch.[/QUOTE

Each to there own opinion. Be a boring world if everyone thought the same]

You still have girly wrist

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Is that a fountain or an upside down urinal lol


Separately I still love your WT!

Among the 100 most important artworks of the World !


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Duchamp

[Passionata]

[QUOTE=Fat_ninja;9913392]

Originally Posted by Aquaman

You still have girly wrist

Fatfree mate
☕️

[mongrelnomoad]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Is that a fountain or an upside down urinal lol


Separately I still love your WT!

Ninja, that’s the joke. It’s a seminal piece of Dadaist (basically absurdist) art by Michel Duchamp.

[Aquaman]

[QUOTE=Passionata;9913399]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Fatfree mate
☕️

That God dam ninja

[Passionata]

[QUOTE=Aquaman;9913403]

Originally Posted by Passionata

That God dam ninja

[Swearengen]

I got my 5712 in 2015 pre-owned for retail, which I thought was expensive back then. The more the value has risen the less I am inclined to wear it, I feel its attracts too much attention now. I'll be going back to my Omega 1510 Megaquartz that I can enjoy anonymously

Originally Posted by rolexpatek363

Yes, I bought my 5712A at RRP in 2012 and it's my favourite watch.

I am agog at the prices, and if it continues to rise I might have to sell because I do not especially like the idea of wearing a megabucks watch (anything worth say >£80k). If I do sell I know I will regret it.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Passionata

the “Fountain”is an art too

look george, if the presentation of an object of daily life evokes strong feelings and reactions in you then it has an artistic connotation. that is precisely what duchamp and beuys have taught us, when they arranged objects from daily life in a way that they did something new to our perception of the world and how we feel about it.
this is really the definition of good art - evoke strong emotions in outside observers.. it has often (surely not always) very little to do with 'skills', the latter refers to craftsmanship. i am the first to admit that both are not independent, but for the classification of an artwork it takes more than even highly skilled execution.
as so often it is good to learn something about the background of artistic endeavor in general, it makes one appreciate more - maybe even the work of marcel duchamp.
whatever you make of it, for me WTs are not pieces of art, they are perfectly well executed time pieces with a touch of individualism, inspite of being often (re)produced. nothing more and nothing less. they may be central to patek, but i would also not refer to them as pieces of high orology, for that the movements are too simple. this is different from minute repeaters for example.
anyway, people like WTs and that is fine. i find them somewhat likable as well, between kitsch and old fashioned but as i said i will get my 5231J in 2020, just for the sake of adding spice to my collection. i am by no means immune to kitsch myself:::)))
all good, no?:::)))

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by pam66

look george, if the presentation of an object of daily life evokes strong feelings and reactions...

That urinal makes me want to pee...

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by pam66

look george, if the presentation of an object of daily life evokes strong feelings and reactions in you then it has an artistic connotation. that is precisely what duchamp and beuys have taught us, when they arranged objects from daily life in a way that they did something new to our perception of the world and how we feel about it.

this is really the definition of good art - evoke strong emotions in outside observers.. it has often (surely not always) very little to do with 'skills', the latter refers to craftsmanship. i am the first to admit that both are not independent, but for the classification of an artwork it takes more than even highly skilled execution.

as so often it is good to learn something about the background of artistic endeavor in general, it makes one appreciate more - maybe even the work of marcel duchamp.

whatever you make of it, for me WTs are not pieces of art, they are perfectly well executed time pieces with a touch of individualism, inspite of being often (re)produced. nothing more and nothing less. they may be central to patek, but i would also not refer to them as pieces of high orology, for that the movements are too simple. this is different from minute repeaters for example.

anyway, people like WTs and that is fine. i find them somewhat likable as well, between kitsch and old fashioned but as i said i will get my 5231J in 2020, just for the sake of adding spice to my collection. i am by no means immune to kitsch myself:::)))

all good, no?:::)))

Big fan of Dada and all the countercultures ,
nur zu Erklaren,

[ap1]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

That urinal makes me want to pee...

you are 2 much

[pam66]

[QUOTE=Aquaman;9913403]

Originally Posted by Passionata

That God dam ninja

dane would have taken care of the ninja very decisively. he misses that:::)))

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Passionata

Big fan of Dada and all the countercultures ,
nur zu Erklaren,

cool!

[_speedmaster_]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

That urinal makes me want to pee...

A strong feeling and reaction of wanting to pee?

[pam66]

Originally Posted by _speedmaster_

A strong feeling and reaction of wanting to pee?

proof of art

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by pam66

look george, if the presentation of an object of daily life evokes strong feelings and reactions in you then it has an artistic connotation. that is precisely what duchamp and beuys have taught us, when they arranged objects from daily life in a way that they did something new to our perception of the world and how we feel about it.
this is really the definition of good art - evoke strong emotions in outside observers.. it has often (surely not always) very little to do with 'skills', the latter refers to craftsmanship. i am the first to admit that both are not independent, but for the classification of an artwork it takes more than even highly skilled execution.
as so often it is good to learn something about the background of artistic endeavor in general, it makes one appreciate more - maybe even the work of marcel duchamp.
whatever you make of it, for me WTs are not pieces of art, they are perfectly well executed time pieces with a touch of individualism, inspite of being often (re)produced. nothing more and nothing less. they may be central to patek, but i would also not refer to them as pieces of high orology, for that the movements are too simple. this is different from minute repeaters for example.
anyway, people like WTs and that is fine. i find them somewhat likable as well, between kitsch and old fashioned but as i said i will get my 5231J in 2020, just for the sake of adding spice to my collection. i am by no means immune to kitsch myself:::)))
all good, no?:::)))

Wow, you've got it bad!

[steeevvvooo]

Urinals, high complication astrological pieces (what IS that UN by the way, I want to read more about it...) and absurdly priced platinum nautili...

So is the back end falling out of the market or what

None of my pieces are for sale or trading at the moment (most have special meaning) but I still kick myself for not trading into a 5711 white or 5712 grey when I had the chance. I went a different route and got a 5396R with breguet numerals but it didn't last long. If I've missed the boat for a Nautilus (like it did with the zenith Daytona) so be it. I won't chase, I will find value elsewhere and enjoy them all the more for then not being "hot" pieces

In the meantime... Back to the entertainment gents

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[PJ S]

Originally Posted by steeevvvooo

… (what IS that UN by the way, I want to read more about it…) ...

It is the Ulysse Nardin Tellurium Johannes Kepler, and part of the trilogy of time, the other two being Planetarium Copernicus and Astrolabum Galileo, originating from the late ‘80s-early ‘90s, iirc.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by steeevvvooo

Urinals, high complication astrological pieces (what IS that UN by the way, I want to read more about it...) and absurdly priced platinum nautili...

Since this is a Patek forum I won’t elaborate more except to say there was a book written to accompany the 3 pieces, here is link to a pdf version of the book which is available to download, interesting read:

https://www.sbg.ac.at/irk/div/trilogy/28apr.pdf

Originally Posted by PJ S

It is the Ulysse Nardin Tellurium Johannes Kepler, and part of the trilogy of time, the other two being Planetarium Copernicus and Astrolabum Galileo, originating from the late ‘80s-early ‘90s, iirc.

Spot on.

[Aquaman]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Since this is a Patek forum I won’t elaborate more except to say there was a book written to accompany the 3 pieces, here is link to a pdf version of the book which is available to download, interesting read:

https://www.sbg.ac.at/irk/div/trilogy/28apr.pdf



Spot on.

thanks for this, im gonna enjoy learning and being educated

[steeevvvooo]

PJ and Russell, Thankyou looking forward to reading that tonight.

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[Token74]

Originally Posted by ToneLok

Previous spends with my AD got me on the list. It’s if I want to jump the queue that requires buying a couple dress watches. This is not an uncommon phenomenon right now and the rest of Patek’s line (and effete dress watches in general) struggle compared to sport watches that appeal to a younger and more active demographic. And I speak fairly regularly with a couple of the volume resellers who pop up on this forum and they are definitely starting to see a crack in the zeal for steel with marked differences between the asks and the gets. I’ll bide my time. I’ve seen it before with stocks, real estate, other watch brands, even Pateks for a while. It’s an interesting spectacle to observe for sure.

Bubbles burst, but here’s the thing, give it time and the punctures get fixed, and the bubbles return bigger and better!


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[GreenLantern]

This thread went down the toilet fast. :)