AD damages clasp while sizing on day of purchase

[bobabreath]

While unfortunate, the AD has no obligation to correct it.

The minor scratches do not affect the function of the watch in any way.

[train-time]

Originally Posted by RHIII

I’m sorry - but what do you want people to say? You said you aren’t looking for re-assurance or that it’s ok - and going to happen ANYWAY if you’re going to wear and enjoy your watch. So what are you looking for? Fuel to go back to your AD and point a finger at them for something they might have done? Cmon.

Furthermore - what would you like them to do? They just sold you one of (if not the) hardest To get, and most sought after watches on the planet.

I am very careful with my watches as well. All of them, from Rolex to Patek - but I wear them, enjoy them and understand that scratches are just going to happen. I don’t like polishing either - except at service time...which is rare.

If you have those types of concerns when at the AD etc, why didn't you inspect your watch before you left and addressed then? Even if you did, they would simply buff it out and that’s it. They’re not going to get you a new clasp.

Not trying to be overly critical, but I don’t know what you’re end game is here. If you simply can’t deal with it, go get your money back and move on.

Spot on!!

[MariettaMike]

Go back to your AD and explain the situation. Ask to have the scratch polished and if that does not meet your satisfaction have the clasp replaced and the sooner you go back to your AD the better.


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[ganiccus]

Originally Posted by RHIII

I’m sorry - but what do you want people to say? You said you aren’t looking for re-assurance or that it’s ok - and going to happen ANYWAY if you’re going to wear and enjoy your watch. So what are you looking for? Fuel to go back to your AD and point a finger at them for something they might have done? Cmon.

Furthermore - what would you like them to do? They just sold you one of (if not the) hardest To get, and most sought after watches on the planet.

I am very careful with my watches as well. All of them, from Rolex to Patek - but I wear them, enjoy them and understand that scratches are just going to happen. I don’t like polishing either - except at service time...which is rare.

If you have those types of concerns when at the AD etc, why didn't you inspect your watch before you left and addressed then? Even if you did, they would simply buff it out and that’s it. They’re not going to get you a new clasp.

Not trying to be overly critical, but I don’t know what you’re end game is here. If you simply can’t deal with it, go get your money back and move on.

I don't understand how OP thinks that buying a ceramic white dial Daytona, a Hulk and a Pepsi at MSRP somehow makes him a valuable client who has been good to his AD. They could have sold those watches in their sleep to dozens of other customers. I would count myself lucky to have those watches and not ask for any kind of special treatment when I actually deserve none.

[Randy63]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

So, in advance, please refrain from making any comments like, get over it, it was bound to happen anyway (especially considering that is not true based on information you will read below), you're being OCD, it's just a watch , it gives character battle scares, etc.

I have included a photo of the clasp, with 3M tape over it. I'm VERY careful with my watches, and I am not a fan of polishing. Hence, I put 3M helicopter tape because I'm always at a desk and I do a lot of desk driving. To that end, the whole, it would have happened anyway really doesn't apply to me here, fortunately or unfortunately.

The AD took the plastics off and then went to size the watch herself. I do not know whether it was the SA or another agent at the ad who caused the minor damage on the clasp. I know she got help sizing it.

Detail of damage:

It's about three scratches, at the PCL as well as the brushed area. It can only be seen when the light hits it at a certain angle. So if I'm in a lit room, and I twist my wrist, it doesn't necessarily mean that it can be seen. Light literally has to hit it For to show, so it's not particularly deep.

Background / relationship

I'm really friendly with my SA. They have been really good to me and I have been really good to them, and I don't want to leave a bad taste in their mouth. So I am not trying to be demanding or annoying, but at the same time, I'm disappointed that this happened, and that extra care wasn't taken. Plus, I don't know whether it was SA or another agent.

Things that are not an option:

Polishing or buffing it out.

How do you think I should proceed? It obviously bothering me enough that I am posting this ....

I appreciate your thoughts and feedback. P.s. For those wondering why I put helicopter tape, because I want to protect my jewelry, to keep it shiny new and sparkly, somewhat in line with me putting 3M on my phone that is 1/20th the value.

I'll bet that you're happy you started this thread.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Randy63

I'll bet that you're happy you started this thread.

It's fine. I knew it would come with some backlash, some disgruntled people who want some of these watches and can't get them, or people who cringe at the thought of 3M on watches, or just people angry in general. I just wanted to know how to approach the situation, but I definitely got some excellent feedback and honestly the hairline scratch is nothing significant, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it. It's just not right what happened, and they should know that. Not the end of the world, though, and I appreciate most of the members input, even those with whom I disagree.

[MariettaMike]

My new GMTII has a wear scratch. Unless you tape your clasp and wear watch with tape, it will get scratched.



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[Fleetlord]

This is an interesting thread....and it shows the span of peoples viewpoint of what these watches are for and their tolerance for wear and tear.

On one extreme we have members who will stick their Rolex in raw sewage when fixing a pipe or wear it rummaging around in some junk to show how tough it is....etc. I am certainly no advocate of that as the repair costs for Rolex to fix potential damages negates the joy of destruction...

But, then we have what's going on in this thread. OP's joy of ownership is so debilitated by the fear of scratches and damage that it seems that he would be better off without watches such as these in his life....

There is definite therapeutic component to letting this scratch live on your clasp. The world won't end....etc. It will be just fine. It's very minor cosmetic marring on a spot on the watch that gets scratched from air molecules. Even your tape will get marred and look like ##$%#...so what happens then? Do you carry tape with you replace on the fly? Will you put tape over the tape to protect the tape? When will it end?

As for your specific issue with the watch, I would not expect the AD to replace the clasp over this "issue". Even if they did agree to this unimaginable hassle, I don't think Rolex will just send them a clasp for them to replace, I would think the watch will go back to Rolex and then who knows the level of carnage that watch will see at the RSC.
Pushing through the AD also runs the risk of you losing this relationship as most AD's hate this stuff and would rather you just disappear. Sorry to say it, but they have plenty of other customers who couldn't care less about something like this....and that's who they want to deal with.

So given the scenario above and the fact that you will not accept a polishing of the clasp...which in turn leads me to believe that you will be unable to accept the scratch itself...the best resolution in this case is the sell the watch and move on from it 100%.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

It's fine. I knew it would come with some backlash, some disgruntled people who want some of these watches and can't get them, or people who cringe at the thought of 3M on watches, or just people angry in general. I just wanted to know how to approach the situation, but I definitely got some excellent feedback and honestly the hairline scratch is nothing significant, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it. It's just not right what happened, and they should know that. Not the end of the world, though, and I appreciate most of the members input, even those with whom I disagree.

Yeah man there are some pretty mean unhelpful people here but you also did get some sound advice from others. Let us know what you do and what happens. Meanwhile congratulations on an excellent watch.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This is an interesting thread....and it shows the span of peoples viewpoint of what these watches are for and their tolerance for wear and tear.

On one extreme we have members who will stick their Rolex in raw sewage when fixing a pipe or wear it rummaging around in some junk to show how tough it is....etc. I am certainly no advocate of that as the repair costs for Rolex to fix potential damages negates the joy of destruction...

But, then we have what's going on in this thread. OP's joy of ownership is so debilitated by the fear of scratches and damage that it seems that he would be better off without watches such as these in his life....

There is definite therapeutic component to letting this scratch live on your clasp. The world won't end....etc. It will be just fine. It's very minor cosmetic marring on a spot on the watch that gets scratched from air molecules. Even your tape will get marred and look like ##$%#...so what happens then? Do you carry tape with you replace on the fly? Will you put tape over the tape to protect the tape? When will it end?

As for your specific issue with the watch, I would not expect the AD to replace the clasp over this "issue". Even if they did agree to this unimaginable hassle, I don't think Rolex will just send them a clasp for them to replace, I would think the watch will go back to Rolex and then who knows the level of carnage that watch will see at the RSC.

So given the scenario above and the fact that you will not accept a polishing of the clasp...which in turn leads me to believe that you will be unable to accept the scratch itself...the best resolution in this case is the sell the watch and move on from it 100%.

Interesting you find a person that’s unhappy with his brand new watch damaged with a scratch from the AD as “Debilitated by fear“. Can’t quite wrap my head around that one. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you never read his original post.

[AJMarcus]

Afraid once you walk out the AD with your watch it’s going to be on you. They’ll offer to polish it for you. That’s about it.

[MariettaMike]

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[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Correct good sir. This is straight from the coffin. The people saying these things are firing me up, it's like egging me on. I'm trying to control myself.

How do you get through life's ups and downs with this unstable way of thought?
How do you handle a scratch or door ding on your car or a broken coffee cup?

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Interesting you find a person that’s unhappy with his brand new watch damaged with a scratch from the AD as “Debilitated by fear“. Can’t quite wrap my head around that one. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you never read his original post.

I absolutely won't be needing it, but thanks anyway

The OP avoids wearing certain clothes out of fear of scratching his watch. He wore a soft long sleeve shirt when he picked it up to protect it. He safely placed in an drawer until he could put TAPE ON IT!!

All that takes away from the joy of ownership and is driven by fear of "what if" it got scratched...something must be done to stop it.

All that is driving the overreaction to a blemish so slight that it can only be seen in certain angles and lighting.

I gave the dude good advice. Accepting the scratch will help him more than anything. If not, sell the watch and move on...Case Closed

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

This is an interesting thread....and it shows the span of peoples viewpoint of what these watches are for and their tolerance for wear and tear.

On one extreme we have members who will stick their Rolex in raw sewage when fixing a pipe or wear it rummaging around in some junk to show how tough it is....etc. I am certainly no advocate of that as the repair costs for Rolex to fix potential damages negates the joy of destruction...

But, then we have what's going on in this thread. OP's joy of ownership is so debilitated by the fear of scratches and damage that it seems that he would be better off without watches such as these in his life....

There is definite therapeutic component to letting this scratch live on your clasp. The world won't end....etc. It will be just fine. It's very minor cosmetic marring on a spot on the watch that gets scratched from air molecules. Even your tape will get marred and look like ##$%#...so what happens then? Do you carry tape with you replace on the fly? Will you put tape over the tape to protect the tape? When will it end?

As for your specific issue with the watch, I would not expect the AD to replace the clasp over this "issue". Even if they did agree to this unimaginable hassle, I don't think Rolex will just send them a clasp for them to replace, I would think the watch will go back to Rolex and then who knows the level of carnage that watch will see at the RSC.
Pushing through the AD also runs the risk of you losing this relationship as most AD's hate this stuff and would rather you just disappear. Sorry to say it, but they have plenty of other customers who couldn't care less about something like this....and that's who they want to deal with.

So given the scenario above and the fact that you will not accept a polishing of the clasp...which in turn leads me to believe that you will be unable to accept the scratch itself...the best resolution in this case is the sell the watch and move on from it 100%.

Originally Posted by Patton250

Yeah man there are some pretty mean unhelpful people here but you also did get some sound advice from others. Let us know what you do and what happens. Meanwhile congratulations on an excellent watch.

Fleetlord, your posts are always so well written, thoughtful and insightful, and I pretty much respect everything you write on these forums and how you contribute so much. Just wanted to say that in advance. There is certainly a therapeutic component, and also something I'm kind of fighting within myself. The scratch is certainly there, but it is not a gash, it is only on the clasp, and it's somewhat superficial. Now, if anyone were to sell this watch, or demand a new watch, I would think they deserve a slap in the face and a kick in the rear. I would never sell this watch for such a small, minor blemish on a PLC. I am 99.999% sure would have happened to any single owner that owns this watch within the first couple of months, no matter what care is taken (unless 3m is in order :)). I guess that goes to show how this is all subjective, and people have different takes no matter what. In other words, I'm sure that people are reading this thread, and thinking the same thing about me, and that I have issues. I guess I could just say, at least I'm not too crazy insofar as I would never demand a new watch or I think I should sell this watch, or pay 700 or a thousand bucks for a new clasp for a superficial scratches on the clasp.

One more thing: you mentioned something that resonated with me: whether I should even have these watches considering how anal I am.I have truly thought about this before and have battled with it. There have been times that my father-in-law bumped into me, or my brother-in-law gave me a hug and I thought that I made contact with some metal and damaged one of my watches. You should have seen my reactions. In retrospect, I truly don't think that this is "normal." after anticipated several years of wear, I'm sure something is bound to happen. What am I going to do when it does? This thread is becoming a lot more than I expected.

Anyway, thanks for your input.

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Interesting you find a person that’s unhappy with his brand new watch damaged with a scratch from the AD as “Debilitated by fear“. Can’t quite wrap my head around that one. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you never read his original post.

I think the post makes perfect sense. You can either own the watch and enjoy it, or let it own you, obsess over it in every way and never enjoy it. At that point might as well sell it.

ADs are just people, people make mistakes period.

Wish I could find the pic of my black dial 116500 that my wife wears quite a bit face down in the bottom of a glass on the counter in the bathroom at a hotel we were at on vacation with rings and bracelets piled on top of it!! That has gotten some twitchy looks over the years. Lol

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

I absolutely won't be needing it, but thanks anyway

The OP avoids wearing certain clothes out of fear of scratching his watch. He wore a soft long sleeve shirt when he picked it up to protect it. He safely placed in an drawer until he could put TAPE ON IT!!

All that takes away from the joy of ownership and is driven by fear of "what if" it got scratched...something must be done to stop it.

All that is driving the overreaction to a blemish so slight that it can only be seen in certain angles and lighting.

I gave the dude good advice. Accepting the scratch will help him more than anything. If not, sell the watch and move on...Case Closed

Exactly. Your rationale is spot on and not "mean" in any way. Some here need to pull up their big boy pants and start acting like men and not two year olds. I think the OP has deeper issues that go far beyond a hairline scratch or two on a watch clasp.

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

How do you get through life's ups and downs with this unstable way of thought?

How do you handle a scratch or door ding on your car or a broken coffee cup?

I couldn't care less when I get scratches on my car. Well I wouldn't go that far, but if you saw my car you would understand. I'm not a car guy. Plates and cups can break, no big deal.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Fleetlord, your posts are always so well written, thoughtful and insightful, and I pretty much respect everything you write on these forums and how you contribute so much. Just wanted to say that in advance. There is certainly a therapeutic component, and also something I'm kind of fighting within myself. The scratch is certainly there, but it is not a gash, it is only on the clasp, and it's somewhat superficial. Now, if anyone were to sell this watch, or demand a new watch, I would think they deserve a slap in the face and a kick in the rear. I would never sell this watch for such a small, minor blemish on a PLC. I am 99.999% sure would have happened to any single owner that owns this watch within the first couple of months, no matter what care is taken (unless 3m is in order :)). I guess that goes to show how this is all subjective, and people have different takes no matter what. In other words, I'm sure that people are reading this thread, and thinking the same thing about me, and that I have issues. I guess I could just say, at least I'm not too crazy insofar as I would never demand a new watch or I think I should sell this watch, or pay 700 or a thousand bucks for a new clasp for a superficial scratches on the clasp.

One more thing: you mentioned something that resonated with me: whether I should even have these watches considering how anal I am.I have truly thought about this before and have battled with it. There have been times that my father-in-law bumped into me, or my brother-in-law gave me a hug and I thought that I made contact with some metal and damaged one of my watches. You should have seen my reactions. In retrospect, I truly don't think that this is "normal." after anticipated several years of wear, I'm sure something is bound to happen. What am I going to do when it does? This thread is becoming a lot more than I expected.

Anyway, thanks for your input.

Thanks for the kind words...

Trust me I understand your situation...I just think in this case, exposing yourself to this scratch will do you more good than all the stress of "fixing" it.

You will become habituated to it and in time, will no longer need these rituals of avoidance and tape to enjoy your watches.

Now, I'm not saying stick your watch in the sewer...lol But wear it without anxiety of scratching it...it will take awhile, but you will enjoy your watches much more...

[joshinbrooklyn]

3M helicopter tape? Not wearing clothes in your own wardrobe because they have buttons? Avoiding casual contact with your family for fear of bumping your watch? This thread is nuts!

[214270Explorer]

Rant begins:
What JacksonRain has here is just ANOTHER example of a ham-fisted ^&$%#* untrained SA who has NO business attempting to be a jeweler and sizing bracelets.

It doesn't matter if it is the least costly Rolex or the most expensive, or even if it a cheaper brand. The point is that someone KNOWINGLY damaged the watch. No way could they NOT know. And they seldom if ever seem to own up, at least from what we read at the watch forums.

The exact same thing happened to my Sky-Dweller. (Big post at WUS.) Literally within a few minutes of payment, it was badly damaged with a deep scratch across the bracelet and incredibly damaged pins. I have never in my life been so infuriated. I did not enjoy paying $18K for that outcome!

The offer to "polish" my scratch was an insult . It's a brand NEW watch after all!

I have to wonder how many bracelets are butchered as this at AD's and we never hear of it because most watch buyers are not "Watch Forum" oriented.

(I also wonder about the posters who say "no big deal" if this had happened to their watch, or maybe their new Lambo at the dealer. Hmmm. Something to think about there.)

My SA is no longer "really" wanting to deal with me. He has become sarcastic, dismissive and overall nasty because he was caught and (I believe) received a butt-chewing and possibly denied the commission? I no longer do business there since their Rolex-trained tech has long since retired.

Now I own the proper tools and do it myself (retired mechanical tech.)

So yes - JacksonRain has every right to be just as infuriated about the ham-fisted treatment to a brand new watch.

It will get scratched, of course, over time, with HIS scratch history. He does not need to reminded every time he looks at the watch as to where that ^%&$ FIRST scratch originated.

Rant Over

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Exactly. Your rationale is spot on and not "mean" in any way. Some here need to pull up their big boy pants and start acting like men and not two year olds. I think the OP has deeper issues that go far beyond a hairline scratch or two on a watch clasp.

Thanks...I see this a great opportunity for Jackson to get past this and enjoy his watches more without fretting over the day to day stuff that comes up.

Again...not advocating scraping it against a brick wall..etc, but habituating the little stuff will set him free!!

[envuks]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Plates and cups can break, no big deal.

And watches scratch.... and this one is just the clasp. I’d recommend a cape cod and a little rub a dub if it bothers you which it seems like it kind of does. Hey, I get it, someone else scratched your new watch. Frustrating. Unlucky, but lucky it’s just the clasp. A light polish at home with a cape cod will have it basically gone and it’s just a clasp so concerns about polishing seem unjustified. Not like it’s a case, and even then come on, a light polish hurts nothing this isn’t a dent or ding. It’s a light surface scratch that doesn’t look like it has any depth to it

If you noticed it while in the store it would be worth speaking with the AD about. Since you already took it home and wore it, it’s not worth mentioning to them IMHO. They’ll likely give you more funny looks than TRF

[JacksonRain]

Originally Posted by envuks

And watches scratch.... and this one is just the clasp. I’d recommend a cape cod and a little rub a dub if it bothers you which it seems like it kind of does. Hey, I get it, someone else scratched your new watch. Frustrating. Unlucky, but lucky it’s just the clasp. A light polish at home with a cape cod will have it basically gone and it’s just a clasp so concerns about polishing seem unjustified. Not like it’s a case, and even then come on, a light polish hurts nothing this isn’t a dent or ding. It’s a light surface scratch that doesn’t look like it has any depth to it

If you noticed it while in the store it would be worth speaking with the AD about. Since you already took it home and wore it, it’s not worth mentioning to them IMHO. They’ll likely give you more funny looks than TRF

Originally Posted by Fleetlord

Thanks...I see this a great opportunity for Jackson to get past this and enjoy his watches more without fretting over the day to day stuff that comes up.

Again...not advocating scraping it against a brick wall..etc, but habituating the little stuff will set him free!!

Yes. I agree. There is a silver lining here. Thanks again

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

Rant begins:
What JacksonRain has here is just ANOTHER example of a ham-fisted ^&$%#* untrained SA who has NO business attempting to be a jeweler and sizing bracelets.

It doesn't matter if it is the least costly Rolex or the most expensive, or even if it a cheaper brand. The point is that someone KNOWINGLY damaged the watch. No way could they NOT know. And they seldom if ever seem to own up, at least from what we read at the watch forums.

The exact same thing happened to my Sky-Dweller. (Big post at WUS.) Literally within a few minutes of payment, it was badly damaged with a deep scratch across the bracelet and incredibly damaged pins. I have never in my life been so infuriated. I did not enjoy paying $18K for that outcome!

The offer to "polish" my scratch was an insult . It's a brand NEW watch after all!

I have to wonder how many bracelets are butchered as this at AD's and we never hear of it because most watch buyers are not "Watch Forum" oriented.

(I also wonder about the posters who say "no big deal" if this had happened to their watch, or maybe their new Lambo at the dealer. Hmmm. Something to think about there.)

My SA is no longer "really" wanting to deal with me. He has become sarcastic, dismissive and overall nasty because he was caught and (I believe) received a butt-chewing and possibly denied the commission? I no longer do business there since their Rolex-trained tech has long since retired.

Now I own the proper tools and do it myself (retired mechanical tech.)

So yes - JacksonRain has every right to be just as infuriated about the ham-fisted treatment to a brand new watch.

It will get scratched, of course, over time, with HIS scratch history. He does not need to reminded every time he looks at the watch as to where that ^%&$ FIRST scratch originated.

Rant Over

It has happened to me on several occasions. I’ve had a couple of watches scratched at an AD. And I’ve had a sports car backed into something during service causing about $2500 worth of damage.

The scratches weren’t bad - and I honestly didn’t even mention it to them. My dealership repaired and re-painted the bumper and life went on.

[2th_doc]

Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

Rant begins:

What JacksonRain has here is just ANOTHER example of a ham-fisted ^&$%#* untrained SA who has NO business attempting to be a jeweler and sizing bracelets.



It doesn't matter if it is the least costly Rolex or the most expensive, or even if it a cheaper brand. The point is that someone KNOWINGLY damaged the watch. No way could they NOT know. And they seldom if ever seem to own up, at least from what we read at the watch forums.



The exact same thing happened to my Sky-Dweller. (Big post at WUS.) Literally within a few minutes of payment, it was badly damaged with a deep scratch across the bracelet and incredibly damaged pins. I have never in my life been so infuriated. I did not enjoy paying $18K for that outcome!



The offer to "polish" my scratch was an insult . It's a brand NEW watch after all!



I have to wonder how many bracelets are butchered as this at AD's and we never hear of it because most watch buyers are not "Watch Forum" oriented.



(I also wonder about the posters who say "no big deal" if this had happened to their watch, or maybe their new Lambo at the dealer. Hmmm. Something to think about there.)



My SA is no longer "really" wanting to deal with me. He has become sarcastic, dismissive and overall nasty because he was caught and (I believe) received a butt-chewing and possibly denied the commission? I no longer do business there since their Rolex-trained tech has long since retired.



Now I own the proper tools and do it myself (retired mechanical tech.)



So yes - JacksonRain has every right to be just as infuriated about the ham-fisted treatment to a brand new watch.



It will get scratched, of course, over time, with HIS scratch history. He does not need to reminded every time he looks at the watch as to where that ^%&$ FIRST scratch originated.



Rant Over

Pretty harsh considering there is reasonable doubt that it was the AD who put the scratch of the watch. It could have been the OP. No matter how certain he may be.


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[Cabaiguan]

Get over it. There, I said it.

[envuks]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Yes. I agree. There is a silver lining here. Thanks again

Cheers!

Hopefully the TRF rodeo here has at least taken your mind off it a bit

[Cossak]

The 1st scratch is a disaster and the 1000th is patina.

Wait till you dent one of the lugs.

[Geckobros]

Originally Posted by JacksonRain

Now, if anyone were to sell this watch, or demand a new watch, I would think they deserve a slap in the face and a kick in the rear.

You gave specific parameters as to what you felt was acceptable so myself and some others tried to give you honest advice as well advice that could help you in the future. In return... ? I had a watch that I put a dent in it on the very first day of owning it. It bothered me to the point that I actually sold it and never looked back. So I wasn't trying to be smart with my advice. I can't speak for the other replies you received.

I am going to give you a pass and just chalk it up to you being upset that the clasp on your watch has a scratch. In a years time, none of this will matter.