Robbery Robbed of Rolex Day Date 40 228206 in Southern California

[Len S]

Just saw this on youtube. You might want to register your stolen watch on the Enquirus.com database. Good luck.

[Twisted Vicar]

OP - Why haven't you disclosed the serial number in this thread?

[2loaded]

Originally Posted by Twisted Vicar

OP - Why haven't you disclosed the serial number in this thread?

OP may be a flipper?

[Al1969]

Quite a few posts suggesting the OP post the SN. Why hasn’t he posted it?

[jetguy22]

Originally Posted by Danny83

He contacted me about a Daytona I had for sale. So when he told me he wanted to meet me at the Jewler to get it opened up. I told him that that’s a no, especially since he had no references. I asked him to leave me a deposit to meet him and I knew something was up.

Sorry guys, but it's the green text message that's the red flag for me!

Sorry OP, this story is horrible, and I'm sorry you ended up in such a position.

[zineddine.zidane]

While I understand your promise to your wife I wish you had beat the s….out of him and took your watch back! I’m sorry to hear about this unfortunate situation


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[Doood]

I hate hearing stories like this. So sorry for you. Glad you are ok.

[Cauhauna]

serial number?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by jetguy22

Sorry guys, but it's the green text message that's the red flag for me!

Lol so true.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by EEpro

These little BS gotchas in policies is another reason why I don't bother. My house was burglarized in 2016 and I lost a significant amount of valuables and didn't even bother to file a claim. I figured after paying a deductible and a new higher rate per year I'd end up just spreading the loss over more years and Allstate would end up ahead collecting higher premiums over a longer period.

Brad, everyone knows you need to hire a lawyer to read the insurance document.

Then you need an interpreter to translate the lawyer document.

Then you end up paying for your lost items in the long run, through increased insurance premiums.

That’s why I invest in insurance companies, they make lots of money

[wjv4200]

I think a lot of guys are justifying doing things they wouldn’t normally do in some of these face to face transactions we’ve been hearing about lately on this forum due to current market conditions and the thieves are well aware of it. I would just say to these sellers if your asking an exorbitant price for a piece (in line with Chrono24 prices) be very cautious of a buyer that is willing to pay it if he or she is not personally known to you. You can and will become the mark in the blink of an eye. I have declined sales to people in the past after speaking to them over the phone, just use common sense I don’t need to spell it out.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Brad, everyone knows you need to hire a lawyer to read the insurance document.

Then you need an interpreter to translate the lawyer document.

Then you end up paying for your lost items in the long run, through increased insurance premiums.

That’s why I invest in insurance companies, they make lots of money

So I regression tested putting $900 premiums into a basket of 4 insurance stocks starting 22 years ago. You'd have yourself a platinum watch.

[Little machines]

excellent point thank you !

[Little machines]

Good job Brad!

[jimcameron]

Originally Posted by Dr.Mehr

Hope this criminal is caught and severely punished

Dr. Mehr, you may want to catch up on California Law.

The likelihood of severe punishment is near zero. Even if the thief is ever caught it is very likely he will not even have to post bail before rapid release from jail. After he walks out of jail without putting down so much as a penny, he will likely disappear into the mist.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by jimcameron

Dr. Mehr, you may want to catch up on California Law.

The likelihood of severe punishment is near zero. Even if the thief is ever caught it is very likely he will not even have to post bail before rapid release from jail. After he walks out of jail without putting down so much as a penny, he will likely disappear into the mist.

[Oystersteel92]

Another plus of Rolex's CPO program. Very little risk in trading/selling at an AD. I've got a couple Breitlings I'm looking at divesting myself of and will probably work a trade with a reputable grey dealer I've worked with in the past. I won't get as much, but the transaction will absolutely go smoothly.

Sorry this happened to you. I don't want to rag on California necessarily, but I'm glad I live in a place where my AD props their doors OPEN on nice days because there is so little crime here.

[Cassidyanne]

You should have pounded him!! What’s the name of the jewelry store??

[Roger Lococco]

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...3170248/?amp=1


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[Pinchy]

Originally Posted by EEpro

So I regression tested putting $900 premiums into a basket of 4 insurance stocks starting 22 years ago. You'd have yourself a platinum watch.

How app / site allowed you to simulate this?

[Rolexken]

Lesson in how not to sell a watch…….

[Modiferous]

The method I used to sell this watch is the same I used to sell a few other nearly as expensive watches. All went fine, smoothly.

I am not a dealer, or a flipper, I was just thinning my collection or looking at possible trades.

Now that we know that this Rolex Robber has targeted many others, and robbed at least two of us, the real lesson is that when something happens, or something is off, people should post about it, to warn others. Other than that, the people commenting on "I would do it differently &etc." really have no idea how they would do it or how they would react, the fact that close to a dozen people (just that we know of so far) were contacted by this Rolex Robber, some of whom are professional dealers, and at least one professional dealer met with this guy and was robbed, and others came close, means that if you are willing (at all) to transact in person, this could happen to you too.

And if you are unwilling to transact in person, then you run a different risk of sending along your money or your watch in advance, and getting back nothing, or getting back something different from what you expected. On the Moda forums every now and then there is a story about a previously known and good dealer, who went bad ("You're only as good as your last transaction").

I had a conversation with a dealer about this robbery, and his comment was "I don't sell to people I don't know." I laughed, because he had already forgotten that years ago, he met with me, and sold me a very expensive watch, and I had never met him before and he had no idea who I was.


Best thing to do is to post here about near misses anytime they happen, sure it might get redundant, but if a pattern of Con Man talk is made visible, it'll make it harder for these types to operate.

[sleepydoc]

Just curious - why don't you post the serial #

[Modiferous]

And robbery is a serious crime in California, which is what this robber is guilty of, along with at least one other grand theft grab and run to which he has been tied, so far.

While it's true that in California we don't lock people up for as long periods as some other states, especially for non-violent crime, that also cuts in the other direction - that we give criminals a chance to clear their records and start fresh, which is why when you think about it, this Rolex Robber really has no excuse for what he is doing. The last several years California's legislature has passed unprecedented new laws aimed at expunging and sealing the records of criminals who have stayed out of trouble for long enough, to give them a chance to re-enter productive society without being always dragged down by their past mistakes.

Anyone who has spent that long studying watches, to the point where he is able to rip off a professional watch dealer (one of the other victims, not me), could easily get a job in the watch profession, or even become a legitimate watch dealer in his own right. This guy may think that he has "come up" mightily through ripping off a couple or more of us in the past six months, but really the guy is selling himself short, and in the short or long run, he could really apply himself to doing something that might make him a much better living, without having to worry about how the whole world might be looking to lock him up.

Yes, I'm mad at what this guy did to me, but I think in the long run he's going to hurt himself more than anyone else if he doesn't change his ways.

[Incident]

^

Wait...what?

So now you are sympathetic to this d-bag and concerned for his future?

How about that serial number...curious minds want to know.

[Modiferous]

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

And robbery is a serious crime in California, which is what this robber is guilty of, along with at least one other grand theft grab and run to which he has been tied, so far.

While it's true that in California we don't lock people up for as long periods as some other states, especially for non-violent crime, that also cuts in the other direction - that we give criminals a chance to clear their records and start fresh, which is why when you think about it, this Rolex Robber really has no excuse for what he is doing. The last several years California's legislature has passed unprecedented new laws aimed at expunging and sealing the records of criminals who have stayed out of trouble for long enough, to give them a chance to re-enter productive society without being always dragged down by their past mistakes.

Anyone who has spent that long studying watches, to the point where he is able to rip off a professional watch dealer (one of the other victims, not me), could easily get a job in the watch profession, or even become a legitimate watch dealer in his own right. This guy may think that he has "come up" mightily through ripping off a couple or more of us in the past six months, but really the guy is selling himself short, and in the short or long run, he could really apply himself to doing something that might make him a much better living, without having to worry about how the whole world might be looking to lock him up.

Yes, I'm mad at what this guy did to me, but I think in the long run he's going to hurt himself more than anyone else if he doesn't change his ways.

Lot of assumptions here, least of which you believe him to be a one person operation. Sounds like there's the brains of the operation and the brawn. You're most likely dealing with the brains on the phone and text messages whilst the brains sends a lacky to pick up the watch and takes all the risk of being caught.

Depending on how sophisticated this person may be, he may or may not be monitoring this thread.

Not posting the serial number is certainly curious.

[Laostuh]

Originally Posted by Modiferous

And robbery is a serious crime in California, which is what this robber is guilty of, along with at least one other grand theft grab and run to which he has been tied, so far.

While it's true that in California we don't lock people up for as long periods as some other states, especially for non-violent crime, that also cuts in the other direction - that we give criminals a chance to clear their records and start fresh, which is why when you think about it, this Rolex Robber really has no excuse for what he is doing. The last several years California's legislature has passed unprecedented new laws aimed at expunging and sealing the records of criminals who have stayed out of trouble for long enough, to give them a chance to re-enter productive society without being always dragged down by their past mistakes.

Anyone who has spent that long studying watches, to the point where he is able to rip off a professional watch dealer (one of the other victims, not me), could easily get a job in the watch profession, or even become a legitimate watch dealer in his own right. This guy may think that he has "come up" mightily through ripping off a couple or more of us in the past six months, but really the guy is selling himself short, and in the short or long run, he could really apply himself to doing something that might make him a much better living, without having to worry about how the whole world might be looking to lock him up.

Yes, I'm mad at what this guy did to me, but I think in the long run he's going to hurt himself more than anyone else if he doesn't change his ways.

You are better than me in the sense that I would not have any empathy/sympathy for this guy. Actually I'd be wishing the worse on him... Good for you for taking this loss so gracefully.. I know I couldnt.

[JRell]

Who gets a platinum Daytona just to flip? I don’t understand.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JRell

Who gets a platinum Daytona just to flip? I don’t understand.

Day date? Not anymore. Daytona? You bet ! Still a great flip of you can put $80k on your Amex.