32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Andad]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Hahaha.
What you are doing wrong?

Easy: before posting, you do not check if one can investigate a Quartz watch with a timegrapher or another special analyzer.

Anyhow, send it to Charles.

I have checked my OQ on the TimeGrapher.

Precision was excellent.

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Not sure about this, Andy. Repeatability is not interesting?

Here is the DU result for your second test (green data points).



After RSC work this movement is now excellent.
Confirmed by the fact that all vertical amplitudes are identical.
Congratulations.

Cheers…..the watch has not long stopped, it ran for an incredible 79 Hr 45 mins


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Cheers…..the watch has not long stopped, it ran for an incredible 79 Hr 45 mins

This would be 14% above Rolex specs (approx. 70 hours). Your 79 hours + 45 min sounds odd. You are sure?
I have never measured a power reserve far above 72 hours.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Andad

I have checked my OQ on the TimeGrapher.

Precision was excellent.

Did it tell you how the battery was ?

Is it rechargeable by running around flailing your arms etc ?

[Dennisoul]

Originally Posted by saxo3

This would be 14% above Rolex specs (approx. 70 hours). Your 79 hours + 45 min sounds odd. You are sure?
I have never measured a power reserve far above 72 hours.

100%…..Full wind at 9am Monday , stopped at 16:45 tonight, Thursday


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

100%…..Full wind at 9am Monday , stopped at 16:45 tonight, Thursday


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For your 5-position measurements (after 48, 52, 55, 60 hours) you always had to move (rotate) your watch a little bit, between different positions on the timegrapher. I guess this will not significantly enhance the PR.

But what did you do after your last measurement (at 60 hours)?

Did the watch rest untouched on the timegrapher until the movement stppoed after 79 hrs 45 min? In dial up position?

Or did you do something else after 60 hours?

[Dennisoul]

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[Dennisoul]

It was laid at rest in its green Rolex pouch dial up, no activity as such that would wind the watch…only taken out the pouch to see if it was still running..then back into the pouch and left dial up till it stopped…I’m as amazed as anyone else…what ever they’ve done at the RSC it’s made a terrific difference, just look at the results….maybe they’ve solved the 3235 movement issue ?….just maybe lol


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[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

It was laid at rest in its green Rolex pouch dial up, no activity as such that would wind the watch…only taken out the pouch to see if it was still running..then back into the pouch and left dial up till it stopped…I’m as amazed as anyone else…what ever they’ve done at the RSC it’s made a terrific difference, just look at the results….maybe they’ve solved the 3235 movement issue ?….just maybe lol

Ah, that explains it. The green pouch adds 10 hours of PR. You guys didn't know this?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Did it tell you how the battery was ?

I had just installed a new battery.

Is it rechargeable by running around flailing your arms etc ?

It prefers to flail around on a warm wrist than sit in a cold dark box.

But I don't flail my arm around too fast - we don't want water to squeeze past the seals, do we.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Andad

I have checked my OQ on the TimeGrapher.
Precision was excellent.

Bright Blue

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Did it tell you how the battery was ?
Is it rechargeable by running around flailing your arms etc ?

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

It was laid at rest in its green Rolex pouch dial up, no activity as such that would wind the watch…only taken out the pouch to see if it was still running..then back into the pouch and left dial up till it stopped…I’m as amazed as anyone else…what ever they’ve done at the RSC it’s made a terrific difference, just look at the results….maybe they’ve solved the 3235 movement issue ?….just maybe lol

Undefined experimental pouch conditions
Repeat or it doesn't exist!

Originally Posted by HiBoost

Ah, that explains it. The green pouch adds 10 hours of PR. You guys didn't know this?

Miracles do happen!



Enough Lagavulin may help and explain?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have just finished a Power Reserve test on an Explorer II model 226570 which has a 3285 movement.
The watch ran on to finally stop after 72Hours: 44Mins: 20Seconds at 22:44:20 on 20 July 2021.

Originally Posted by Dennisoul

Cheers…..the watch has not long stopped, it ran for an incredible 79 Hr 45 mins

Originally Posted by Mystro

I just finished my 1st Power Reserve test on my new Sub41 126610LN warranty card 5/17/21 so it’s a very new/fresh model right from Rolex.
Power Reserve: 70 hours and 46 minutes

Here is a summary of all 3235 and 3285 power reserve test results which you presented in this thread. I think there were no more in 1900 posts.



Rolex SA specification for 32xx movements
"Power Reserve Approximately 70 hours"

[CharlesN]

That’s a great comparison chart
I bet that was some hard work … thank you

It’s interesting how similar most (but not all) the PR times are for each set of movements.

The Datejust 41 seems to have a PR which is abnormally high. Can the test be rerun without the 5 positions so that the watch remains still and untouched for the full PR test in a Dial Up position.
A full wind with the PR starting at a time that is written down so that it can be cross referenced ?
That would prove the PR on that watch.

[saxo3]

Thread and Poll Development Over Time

[CharlesN]

It looks like people are too shy to contribute to the thread.
What a shame.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

It looks like people are too shy to contribute to the thread.

My conclusion is as follows:

- The quantity of 32xx owners, which notice their watch has a problem and who also vote remains approximately constant, at about 30%, while about 70% say their watch has no issue.

- One cannot derive how many members participated in the poll despite the fact that they don't own a 32xx watch.

- The quantity of posts, poll voters, and new contributors increases linearly with time, no saturation is visible.

- The quantity of poll voters during the past 198 days is a factor of 3.6 – 4.5 higher than the number of new contributors, i.e. voting is preferred over posting.

- At the time of my post #1904, this thread had 92699 individual views, which corresponds to averaged 468 views every day.

[Slimpee]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

It looks like people are too shy to contribute to the thread.
What a shame.

I didn’t buy my timegrapher until after I sent my DJ41 off for service for the second time.

In the meantime, I’m happy to provide completely irrelevant data on a DD 1803!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

In the meantime, I’m happy to provide completely irrelevant data on a DD 1803!

Please don't.

We wait for your DJ41 timegrapher measurements after RSC repair.
Then, you will have a reference point and (hopefully) don't need to worry any longer.

You will see how useful a timegrapher can be.

In the meantime, I'm happy to discuss and help you as already done via pm

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Slimpee

completely irrelevant data on a DD 1803!

Not for me please.

I am having enough "Fun" checking all my and my wife's watches.

I am only putting the data up on the forum about my 32xx equipped watches.

[waterman1]

Should add the choice - “have you had to send your 3235 in for service for amplitude issues”. It would be interesting to see those numbers?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by waterman1

Should add the choice - “have you had to send your 3235 in for service for amplitude issues”. It would be interesting to see those numbers?

Interesting, your second post here, the first was on day1 of this thread. We cannot change the poll choices.

Do you own a 32xx watch and have any experience to share?

[carbon888]

Does this still apply to modern Rolex for the simple regulating part?

[CharlesN]

Although many say that that is incorrect nowadays it certainly does work for both of my 32xx watches.
That is how I manage to keep my watch correct within one second per month.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by carbon888

Does this still apply to modern Rolex for the simple regulating part?

I say Yes and No.

The gain and lose (in seconds per day) depends on the specific watch and how its movement is regulated.

Especially point 3 is not generally true. I have several watches that do not lose
"rather more seconds" in 3-UP position.

Two ways to find out (i) either by trying different rest positions or (ii) by messuring the caliber rate in all positions using a timegrapher.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I say Yes and No.

The gain and lose (in seconds per day) depends on the specific watch and how its movement is regulated.

Especially point 3 is not generally true. I have several watches that do not lose
"rather more seconds" in 3-UP position.

Two ways to find out (i) either by trying different rest positions or (ii) by messuring the caliber rate in all positions using a timegrapher.

I agree it doesn’t really make a difference, my OysterQuartz doesn’t deviate at all no matter what position it is in….. Here, I’ll do it to myself Yeah I know, old joke, just can’t help myself sometimes

But here is an interesting point I discovered on my 3235, it is getting MORE accurate as it gets older. I check it once a month, on the first day of the month against internet time. It is eight months old, and for months one through five was very consistent at -1.5 seconds per day (45 seconds slow at months end). But the last THREE months, (roughly) it has gradually gotten more accurate. For the month of July for example, it came out to -1 second per day (30 seconds for the month). It seemed to gradually improve, -1.5, -1.3, -1.2 etc. I do admit that it spends a little more time lately on the watch stand, I don’t wear it to the gym and (try to) go to the gym every day, so for at lease a couple hours a day it is sitting face up (kind of), which I think has been posted to make the watch run faster. Otherwise it’s on my wrist 24/7.

I have a feeling though this increase in accuracy and faster timing of the watch makes sense after it is “broken in.” Couldn’t this be attributed to some initial wearing of the gears so there is less friction(?). It seems reasonable that after a few months the mechanics of the watch have formed together and are running more efficiently; doesn't it?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I agree it doesn’t really make a difference, my OysterQuartz doesn’t deviate at all no matter what position it is in….. Here, I’ll do it to myself Yeah I know, old joke, just can’t help myself sometimes

But here is an interesting point I discovered on my 3235, it is getting MORE accurate as it gets older. I check it once a month, on the first day of the month against internet time. It is eight months old, and for months one through five was very consistent at -1.5 seconds per day (45 seconds slow at months end). But the last THREE months, (roughly) it has gradually gotten more accurate. For the month of July for example, it came out to -1 second per day (30 seconds for the month). It seemed to gradually improve, -1.5, -1.3, -1.2 etc. I do admit that it spends a little more time lately on the watch stand, I don’t wear it to the gym and (try to) go to the gym every day, so for at lease a couple hours a day it is sitting face up (kind of), which I think has been posted to make the watch run faster. Otherwise it’s on my wrist 24/7.

I have a feeling though this increase in accuracy and faster timing of the watch makes sense after it is “broken in.” Couldn’t this be attributed to some initial wearing of the gears so there is less friction(?). It seems reasonable that after a few months the mechanics of the watch have formed together and are running more efficiently; doesn't it?

Thanks for your balanced feedback.

Honestly, I can't answer your questions in detail. But I also observed that my 126600 Sea-Dweller gradually became a bit faster over time. You know, I could show a graph ;-)

Anyhow, despite the fact that I don't know you personally and that our ways only crossed in this thread, I sincerley wish you all the best and good luck for your private endeavour, which you described in detail in your "How important is money" thread.

Your issue has orders of magnitude more importance than our funny 32xx data and timegrapher anslysis thread here.

My Best Wishes to You "San Diego" Paul!

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks for your balanced feedback.

Honestly, I can't answer your questions in detail. But I also observed that my 126600 Sea-Dweller gradually became a bit faster over time. You know, I could show a graph ;-)

Anyhow, despite the fact that I don't know you personally and that our ways only crossed in this thread, I sincerley wish you all the best and good luck for your private endeavour, which you described in detail in your "How important is money" thread.

Your issue has orders of magnitude more importance than our funny 32xx data and timegrapher anslysis thread here.

My Best Wishes to You "San Diego" Paul!

Thanks Saxo, Maybe I’ll end up working for you; need your office cleaned?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Thanks Saxo, Maybe I’ll end up working for you; need your office cleaned?

Good to know that you are a cleaning expert.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Good to know that you are a cleaning expert.

How did he get that video of me?

JOCKE!!!!!!!

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Maybe I’ll end up working for you; need your office cleaned?

Hi Paul,

Saxo3 and I are obviously working on the same thoughts about watch mechanisms and their idiosyncratic behaviour.

We do need more help studying this.

How about you getting a Timegrapher and becoming OUR TIMEGRAPHER ASSISTANT.

I am totally sure you wiull not only enjoy it but you will be in huge demand from others to measure their watches.

The training process can be done whilst you are at home.