Official vacheron overseas thread!!

[elostuodimni]

was on the phone with the online boutique today to ask about my status on the 4500V blue dial waitlist.

the nice lady told me they're getting calls nonstop about the overseas nowadays and that I should feel lucky that I still got onto the list earlier this year.
When asked about when I could expect the watch she said roughly 3-9 years

[037]

That sounds about right. Dealers in my area are quoting up to 12 months on silver and black dials with prior purchase history or a deposit. Blue dials are 12 months to 2 years out even for exiting customers.

Like it or not, VC has caught on and they simply don’t manufacture enough Overseas to meet demand.

[1sttimerolex]

Originally Posted by BeantownExpress

I was curious for some thoughts on a deal I have on a new VC Overseas with Blue dial. I can get it for $14,700 cash (out the door) Is this considered a good deal? I know some on this forum only care about the long term value of a watch but at this price am I closer to the point where I am not just throwing money away? I know buying a watch is not a investment and I am not looking for it to be. I love the watch but just want to make sure I am getting a decent deal. Thanks for any advice.

Wow....this was just 2 years ago. Incredible

[GreenLantern]

Watches are like the latest over-hyped cryptocurrency now.

What a joke.

It's all a big joke. And the joke's on us.

[ChetBaker]

Well. There’s still a lot of fun to be had searching out undervalued pieces. There are still a lot of deals well under retail with Vacheron, Breguet etc. Just look beyond the steel sports watches.

[awbcollier]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Well. There’s still a lot of fun to be had searching out undervalued pieces. There are still a lot of deals well under retail with Vacheron, Breguet etc. Just look beyond the steel sports watches.

What is your approach to asking to get a piece at under retail? Do you got to an AD or the boutique? What’s the most effective way to ask?


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[AperolSpritz]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Well. There’s still a lot of fun to be had searching out undervalued pieces. There are still a lot of deals well under retail with Vacheron, Breguet etc. Just look beyond the steel sports watches.

True - but I also feel retail prices are also a flawed indicator. They have increased so much in the last few years for every brand (on the back of this general hype by the way).

[phiberoptiks]

Originally Posted by elostuodimni

was on the phone with the online boutique today to ask about my status on the 4500V blue dial waitlist.



the nice lady told me they're getting calls nonstop about the overseas nowadays and that I should feel lucky that I still got onto the list earlier this year.

When asked about when I could expect the watch she said roughly 3-9 years

Wait 3-9 years and you put a deposit down??

[GreenLantern]

Waiting 3-9 years for anything other than $1 Billion, or a Super Soldier Serum that would turn you into Captain America, is not worth it.

Also, what a range. Amazing. So, I will deliver you your product in either year 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9. I have no idea.

Why do I have no idea? Because other customers can come and bump you further down the list.

[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by awbcollier

What is your approach to asking to get a piece at under retail? Do you got to an AD or the boutique? What’s the most effective way to ask?


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I mostly buy used or grey. Sometimes through an AD. In my experience the Boutiques don’t do discounts.

[awbcollier]

https://therake.com/watchfinder-and-...110a-b128.html

In case anyone wants to pay twice the price …


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[maruchan22]

Originally Posted by awbcollier

https://therake.com/watchfinder-and-...110a-b128.html

In case anyone wants to pay twice the price …


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Does anyone know how much is the 4500 pink gold in grey market?

[Nathan_]

Little disappointed with my Boutique, they have been fantastic thus far but I'm not sure if they are being completely honest..

I ordered the light grey rubber strap for 4500/7900 ref# VMXF083030 (stated on my deposit receipt).

After a 3 months wait I received a dark blue strap ref# VMXF08230

They are telling me VC have changed their internal part numbers and 8230 aligns with grey description in their systems but it's clearly a dark blue band.

Anyone else receive a light/dark grey rubber band and can provide a photo of the PN printed near the quick release?

I almost feel like they have given my band to someone else either on purpose or by mistake and now trying to persuade me into retaining the dark blue, but i have since returned it via mail this afternoon as they are not awfully cheap (~$350usd) and the colour looks too similar to my black rubber band. Reason I am suspect is I followed up on my band and was told it is yet to arrive, but they have one for another customer who's watch is yet to arrive and they agreed to let me take it (which at the time was a wonderful gesture).

I also work for a large global manufacturer and we have never changed a PN# on an existing item. We may revise an item, but it receives a new PN# for traceability purposes.

[037]

Are you sure that's the dark blue and not the dark grey from the Everest? The rubber strap that came with my Everest is marked 083230.

The strap you have labeled as 'Received' looks like the dark grey, not blue.

Grey on left, blue on right:

[RobHK]

Nathan I'm actually not surprised that you are not receiving what you thought you would get. I have enquired 3 times with two different boutiques to get the grey strap you thought you would receive. They all claim its not available, so I have not been able to order anything. I think your store has made a mistake.

By the way your picture with the 4 straps is really confusing because the light make all of them look like a different shade. Compare your blue on the right with the blue posted by 037, looks like two different straps.

[Patek_collector]

An update on the 4500V blue…

So i spent the last week in Dubai trying to find one. The VC boutique in Dubai is not accepting any waitlist anymore and the seller told me the wait list for existing customers is now 3-5 years.

More interesting. I checked with the top 4 grey dealers in dubai. Those would have any watch anytime. Only one has one which is “new”. The other 3 have no new pieces and one has a 2017 used piece for 40K. The new piece ask price is 55k and he is not willing to negotiate. He told me getting new pieces is more difficult than getting any other piece.

The feedback from all, it is that the train left the station and the product is even less available than 5711 and 15202 and prices will get crazier unless something happens to the whole market.

So disappointing… but good for VC.


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[phiberoptiks]

Wow that is crazy. I put my deposit down in February and am still waiting. They are 8 months behind what they expected at first. No idea how much longer.

Any idea how long they can hold a deposit for?

[RobHK]

Originally Posted by Patek_collector

The feedback from all, it is that the train left the station and the product is even less available than 5711 and 15202 and prices will get crazier unless something happens to the whole market.

So disappointing… but good for VC.

This is not very strange given how low production volumes of VC are compared to PP and AP. Also given that this is a recent market change, the buyers of VC are mostly actual buyers and not flippers. Where as clearly the PP and AP market has a lot of shenanigans going on where watches are allocated to flippers. Im sure if this trend holds the flippers will find their way to VC as well, it will be even harder for actual buyers to get them and grey market availability will increase.

[037]

Originally Posted by Patek_collector

The feedback from all, it is that the train left the station and the product is even less available than 5711 and 15202 and prices will get crazier unless something happens to the whole market.

So disappointing… but good for VC.

Can't say I'm surprised. Production numbers aren't high enough to meet demand. Blue dial Overseas are now far more difficult to get at retail than a white dial Daytona.

Originally Posted by phiberoptiks

Wow that is crazy. I put my deposit down in February and am still waiting. They are 8 months behind what they expected at first. No idea how much longer.

Any idea how long they can hold a deposit for?

Ask your boutique or AD but it might be a non-refundable deposit. You're better off waiting it out if you want the watch. Be thankful you were able to put a deposit down. I'm seeing more posts where deposits aren't being taken anymore for any color dial.

Originally Posted by RobHK

This is not very strange given how low production volumes of VC are compared to PP and AP. Also given that this is a recent market change, the buyers of VC are mostly actual buyers and not flippers. Where as clearly the PP and AP market has a lot of shenanigans going on where watches are allocated to flippers. Im sure if this trend holds the flippers will find their way to VC as well, it will be even harder for actual buyers to get them and grey market availability will increase.

I suspect VC dealers are better than the rest about weeding out flippers. Here in the US a deposit is required at most if not all ADs. That alone tends to discourage flippers as they won't want their money tied up for a year or more.

[sgrossma]

I think VC is happy their watches are starting to skyrocket in value and they are not yet at the point where they care about flippers, as it is just helping them sell ALOT more watches right now.

I also find it interesting how the situation appears to vary so much by region. I inquired about the blue back in March/April within a week of the list closing and nobody ever offered me a waitlist opportunity for deposits. And then the number of years people are posting about now varies so widely. Even earlier this year after the US list closed, some other countries still allowed for purchase and there were reports of people having success with the E-boutique after the list closed. But the E-boutique told me the US list is shared among all boutiques so I am better off working with the local boutique.

Inconsistent reports about availability on black and silver dials, too. Boutique only vs AD availability. Bundling requirements. List closed vs not closed.

Advice would be to get a silver or black right now while it is still remotely possible, if anything.

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by sgrossma

I also find it interesting how the situation appears to vary so much by region. I inquired about the blue back in March/April within a week of the list closing and nobody ever offered me a waitlist opportunity for deposits. And then the number of years people are posting about now varies so widely. Even earlier this year after the US list closed, some other countries still allowed for purchase and there were reports of people having success with the E-boutique after the list closed. But the E-boutique told me the US list is shared among all boutiques so I am better off working with the local boutique.

Inconsistent reports about availability on black and silver dials, too. Boutique only vs AD availability. Bundling requirements. List closed vs not closed.

Agreed, seems like reports have been inconsistent from the various forums I've been following. I'm in the US and aligned to the SoCal Boutique..

From personal experience the silver / black dials were open as recent as of April 2021, but the blue has always been closed from deposits since at least that time.

I haven't received a call yet from being converted from the 'expression of interest list' to be asked to leave a deposit for one from either their E-boutique or local store. My assumption is, if the current deposit / wait list is several years, it's highly unlikely I'll get the call even as a registered VC owner. Naturally YMMV.

[Tanvo]

I was informed (in Europe) that they don’t accept deposits anymore at all. As it will cost them money with future price hikes, because the price will be locked when deposited.

[sgrossma]

Exactly.

In April 2021 (in the US & at a VC boutique) you could leave a deposit for a silver and black 4500 and any color 7900 or 5500 in steel (even in blue).

In July 2021 (in the US) you could still leave a deposit for a silver and a black 4500 (didn't check the others).

Unconfirmed, but from the sound of it and reports here, you can't just walk into a VC boutique and leave a deposit for anything at this point unless perhaps VIP or VVIP. It would appear that all blue colored steel became unavailable in the Fall and now possibly everything else, too.

[037]

Originally Posted by Tanvo

I was informed (in Europe) that they don’t accept deposits anymore at all. As it will cost them money with future price hikes, because the price will be locked when deposited.

Neither of the ADs (in the US) I've spoken to recently would agree to a price lock on deposit since delivery is expected to be close to if not a full year out. Maybe rules on deposits are different in Europe.

Originally Posted by sgrossma

Exactly.

In April 2021 (in the US & at a VC boutique) you could leave a deposit for a silver and black 4500 and any color 7900 or 5500 in steel (even in blue).

In July 2021 (in the US) you could still leave a deposit for a silver and a black 4500 (didn't check the others).

Unconfirmed, but from the sound of it and reports here, you can't just walk into a VC boutique and leave a deposit for anything at this point unless perhaps VIP or VVIP. It would appear that all blue colored steel became unavailable in the Fall and now possibly everything else, too.

I'd say all of this is accurate.

[Nathan_]

Originally Posted by 037

Are you sure that's the dark blue and not the dark grey from the Everest? The rubber strap that came with my Everest is marked 083230.

The strap you have labeled as 'Received' looks like the dark grey, not blue.

Grey on left, blue on right:

Thanks for these photo's and you may be correct! Can you confirm the PN# on the back of the everest please, its located near the quick release

Originally Posted by RobHK

Nathan I'm actually not surprised that you are not receiving what you thought you would get. I have enquired 3 times with two different boutiques to get the grey strap you thought you would receive. They all claim its not available, so I have not been able to order anything. I think your store has made a mistake.

A few people have said the same. I have the store manager following this up with VC direct. The customer service presented to me has been excellent, but I'm not sure what to believe and fortunate to have in writing what my wishes were from the beginning (circled the light grey in the photo).

Originally Posted by RobHK

By the way your picture with the 4 straps is really confusing because the light make all of them look like a different shade. Compare your blue on the right with the blue posted by 037, looks like two different straps.

Agree, there is certainly some sort of flash envolved. Even so, the light grey strap pictured is different enough than my current black to satisfy my wishes.

At this stage it looks like i'll be left with a store credit.

[Toproll85]

Originally Posted by Patek_collector

An update on the 4500V blue…

So i spent the last week in Dubai trying to find one. The VC boutique in Dubai is not accepting any waitlist anymore and the seller told me the wait list for existing customers is now 3-5 years.

More interesting. I checked with the top 4 grey dealers in dubai. Those would have any watch anytime. Only one has one which is “new”. The other 3 have no new pieces and one has a 2017 used piece for 40K. The new piece ask price is 55k and he is not willing to negotiate. He told me getting new pieces is more difficult than getting any other piece.

The feedback from all, it is that the train left the station and the product is even less available than 5711 and 15202 and prices will get crazier unless something happens to the whole market.

So disappointing… but good for VC.


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For my experience, I just sold my blue 4500V. It was very difficult to find a client at 40K (CHF).
So there are speculative prices, and market prices. Prices to make pretty advertisements on Chrono24 and the field.
I sold it for 36K. The currency is the Swiss francs, in dollars that means 39K USD. For now I think 50K is a dream for some ... maybe in the future, but I think people will always go for AP / PP in priority with large amounts (and I'm not talking about those making blah blah on the internet, but those who put the cash on the table).

I did not sell it for profit, but because the fact that the bracelet is made in France bothered me. It was a detail not seen at the time of purchase. It's still a Swiss manufacture, a Swiss watch, I want something from Switzerland (I'm not saying I'm right on my principle, it's personal). Even if it is the best trinity bracelet.
And for that AP and its CEO, have this philosophy (to work with sub-contractors and artisans of the country). Goodbye VC.

[Giangos]

Originally Posted by Toproll85

For my experience, I just sold my blue 4500V. It was very difficult to find a client at 40K (CHF).
So there are speculative prices, and market prices. Prices to make pretty advertisements on Chrono24 and the field.
I sold it for 36K. The currency is the Swiss francs, in dollars that means 39K USD. For now I think 50K is a dream for some ... maybe in the future, but I think people will always go for AP / PP in priority with large amounts (and I'm not talking about those making blah blah on the internet, but those who put the cash on the table).

I did not sell it for profit, but because the fact that the bracelet is made in France bothered me. It was a detail not seen at the time of purchase. It's still a Swiss manufacture, a Swiss watch, I want something from Switzerland (I'm not saying I'm right on my principle, it's personal). Even if it is the best trinity bracelet.
And for that AP and its CEO, have this philosophy (to work with sub-contractors and artisans of the country). Goodbye VC.

I’ve seen and read many reasons why people sell watches. Goodbye VC because the bracelet is made in France followed up by an acknowledgment that it’s the best trinity bracelet ….
Wow.
You must really dislike the French.
Nothing wrong with principles, but that one is out there!


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[Patek_collector]

then $50K for a brand new one is not far from reality. i think we are already there and the brand is enjoying this through the "no waitlist anymore" strategy.

i can assure you that in Dubai. there 1-2 brand new pieces floating now at grey and the dealers wont talk to you below $50K+.

i maybe wrong, but grey price will be $80K in one year. we have seen the same movie of 5711 and 15202, both trading at above $100K now.

i dont like it and i will never pay +100K+ for a SS watch, but unfortunately this is the reality. it seems some people are paying those prices (and i saw it myself at one grey dealer).

regards,

[solaire]

The crypto boys at those prices


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[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by solaire

The crypto boys at those prices

Yup.

It's all become one big joke.