Official vacheron overseas thread!!

[beshannon]

My Fifty-Six Complete Calendar

[JakeK]

Originally Posted by beshannon

My Fifty-Six Complete Calendar

Congrats! Very nice piece.

[awbcollier]

Just got off the line with a boutique who confirmed the silver faced overseas (for certain the three hander) are being discontinued from next year. Interesting times.


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[deuxani]

Originally Posted by Toproll85

For my experience, I just sold my blue 4500V. It was very difficult to find a client at 40K (CHF).
So there are speculative prices, and market prices. Prices to make pretty advertisements on Chrono24 and the field.
I sold it for 36K. The currency is the Swiss francs, in dollars that means 39K USD. For now I think 50K is a dream for some ... maybe in the future, but I think people will always go for AP / PP in priority with large amounts (and I'm not talking about those making blah blah on the internet, but those who put the cash on the table).

I did not sell it for profit, but because the fact that the bracelet is made in France bothered me. It was a detail not seen at the time of purchase. It's still a Swiss manufacture, a Swiss watch, I want something from Switzerland (I'm not saying I'm right on my principle, it's personal). Even if it is the best trinity bracelet.
And for that AP and its CEO, have this philosophy (to work with sub-contractors and artisans of the country). Goodbye VC.

I had the exact same experience. Don’t let the Chrono24 prices fool you. Between 5% - 6% is the fee that goes to them (so between €2000 and €3000). And next to that, these are asking prices. I got a lot of questions if I could sell it for €37.000 and below. Nobody close to seriously buying at above €40.000. And I was selling through a dealer with about 2000 positive reviews.

I eventually sold it for €39.500 ($44.700), so without fees that was about €37.500 ($42.500). But yeah, if you have enough patience and if you think in USD, $50.000 for a new unused model is niet strange.

[sgrossma]

Wow! That is huge news if true! Wonder what it will be replaced with if anything (prob green haha)

[RobHK]

Originally Posted by awbcollier

Just got off the line with a boutique who confirmed the silver faced overseas (for certain the three hander) are being discontinued from next year. Interesting times.


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Wow, gah, I have been back and forth if I should request to go on the waitlist for one, now I guess that might be too late. Its my favorite of the 4500v..

[deuxani]

Originally Posted by RobHK

Wow, gah, I have been back and forth if I should request to go on the waitlist for one, now I guess that might be too late. Its my favorite of the 4500v..

Prices of the silver dial are still reasonable on Chrono24. A couple at a little over MSRP. If you want it, you should get it now. No idea what might happen with the prices, even though it generally is the least sought after one.

[ChetBaker]

Well they said that about the black last year as well. Nothing happened.

[Toproll85]

Originally Posted by deuxani

I had the exact same experience. Don’t let the Chrono24 prices fool you. Between 5% - 6% is the fee that goes to them (so between €2000 and €3000). And next to that, these are asking prices. I got a lot of questions if I could sell it for €37.000 and below. Nobody close to seriously buying at above €40.000. And I was selling through a dealer with about 2000 positive reviews.

I eventually sold it for €39.500 ($44.700), so without fees that was about €37.500 ($42.500). But yeah, if you have enough patience and if you think in USD, $50.000 for a new unused model is niet strange.

I totally believe you. And thank you for the feedback which confirms mine on the market.
We agree, this remains an excellent resale price compared to the catalog. But it remains far from the prices of certain announcements or theories. It trades below to be clear. I'll be you at 37'500 € I'll be happy. So I sold mine for 36K (CHF) which is ~ 34'800 €.
I did not find anyone willing to put more! And that's the blue dial.
Maybe it will come one day, but once again I think that AP / PP in the collective conscious and unconscious, it remains of the best values.

[prospective buyer]

Originally Posted by deuxani

I had the exact same experience. Don’t let the Chrono24 prices fool you. Between 5% - 6% is the fee that goes to them (so between €2000 and €3000). And next to that, these are asking prices. I got a lot of questions if I could sell it for €37.000 and below. Nobody close to seriously buying at above €40.000. And I was selling through a dealer with about 2000 positive reviews.

I eventually sold it for €39.500 ($44.700), so without fees that was about €37.500 ($42.500). But yeah, if you have enough patience and if you think in USD, $50.000 for a new unused model is niet strange.

Am I misunderstanding this? Isn't 39.500 pretty close to 40.000?

[RobHK]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

Well they said that about the black last year as well. Nothing happened.

Now that you mention it, I remembered someone on here claiming the black dial was being discontinued.

[solaire]

Always suprise me when private Sellers are suprised they cannot get dealer / grey prices......


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[solaire]

Originally Posted by RobHK

Now that you mention it, I remembered someone on here claiming the black dial was being discontinued.

I mean the black was shown in the leaked catalogue way before so who ever said the black was going was off the mark.

VC really need to bring back the ultra thin 2000v.



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[RobHK]

Originally Posted by solaire

VC really need to bring back the ultra thin 2000v.

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In metal that would be an instant buy :)

[KCT]

Originally Posted by solaire

I mean the black was shown in the leaked catalogue way before so who ever said the black was going was off the mark.

VC really need to bring back the ultra thin 2000v.



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Totally agree. The overseas ultra thin in white gold looks really amazing.

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[KCT]

Originally Posted by RobHK

In metal that would be an instant buy :)

Will mortals get the chance to buy?

But for an ultra thin, I would prefer they keep to PM for the weight. Having it in stainless steel might make it too light?

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[ChetBaker]

Originally Posted by solaire

Always suprise me when private Sellers are suprised they cannot get dealer / grey prices......


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This is interesting. Why pay more when buying grey as long as the watch has significant factory warranty left?

[solaire]

Originally Posted by ChetBaker

This is interesting. Why pay more when buying grey as long as the watch has significant factory warranty left?

Personally I wouldn't pay grey prices for a private sales nor would I ask for grey if selling a i don't have their costs associated. Most watches I've bought outside of an AD are from private sales as there is a strong VC community.

That said I get why some people do buy grey, it's the same reason people py more for deliveroo or uber eats rather then going out. Convenience & trust normally.


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[ChetBaker]

Yeah I can see the convenience and trust bits - but frankly not worth thousands of dollars to me. There is nothing a 1000 usd trip to the Swiss mothership cannot fix. And, but perhaps that’s just me, I am not willing to enable a business model in which greys are lining their pockets and genuine collectors are out in the cold.

[037]

Originally Posted by Nathan_

Thanks for these photo's and you may be correct! Can you confirm the PN# on the back of the everest please, its located near the quick release

Like I mentioned earlier, the number on the strap itself is 083230. Each end of the strap has the same number. If the color I posted matches yours then you must have received the Everest strap—which might explain why your AD insisted that they ordered “grey”.

Hopefully that helps a bit.

[solaire]

I'll compare the Swiss made v French bracelets next week end

I'll also post up there model numbers.

DT blue has a 3/4 yr wait list, it's produced in a lot lower number than the time only. I expect people have been moving towards the DT as the grey price of the three hander is above the DT retail.

* my wait was 6months from June


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[RaZCaL]

Originally Posted by sgrossma

Exactly.

In April 2021 (in the US & at a VC boutique) you could leave a deposit for a silver and black 4500 and any color 7900 or 5500 in steel (even in blue).

In July 2021 (in the US) you could still leave a deposit for a silver and a black 4500 (didn't check the others).

Unconfirmed, but from the sound of it and reports here, you can't just walk into a VC boutique and leave a deposit for anything at this point unless perhaps VIP or VVIP. It would appear that all blue colored steel became unavailable in the Fall and now possibly everything else, too.

This is a very accurate timeline and assessment of the state of the VC boutiques in the U.S.A. I never pulled the trigger on anything and now deeply regret it. Apparently I am still on the "waiting list" to leave a deposit for the blue dial 4500V. Doubt it will ever happen.

[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by solaire

I'll compare the Swiss made v French bracelets next week end

I'll also post up there model numbers.

DT blue has a 3/4 yr wait list, it's produced in a lot lower number than the time only. I expect people have been moving towards the DT as the grey price of the three hander is above the DT retail.

* my wait was 6months from June


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I don’t have a Swiss made one but don’t see anything wrong w the French made bracelet it is superbly finished and comfortable and let’s not forget the Swiss use a ton of French labor that just crosses the border every day so there is that too so whether made on one side of the border or not makes zero difference to me as long as the product is of VC quality . My 2 cents

[MostlyCloudy]

do u think we see a new colorway for the 4500 next year?

[steeevvvooo]

Originally Posted by solaire

I'll compare the Swiss made v French bracelets next week end

I'll also post up there model numbers.

DT blue has a 3/4 yr wait list, it's produced in a lot lower number than the time only. I expect people have been moving towards the DT as the grey price of the three hander is above the DT retail.

* my wait was 6months from June


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Didn't realise there were two types? Can't see them being different if there are two sources of production surely given the VC quality control?

What IS evident though is the difference between gen 2 and gen 3 bracelets. Gen 2 has more taper and more shape to the centre link/Maltese Cross section which to my eye is much nicer.

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[solaire]

Originally Posted by BNABOD

I don’t have a Swiss made one but don’t see anything wrong w the French made bracelet it is superbly finished and comfortable and let’s not forget the Swiss use a ton of French labor that just crosses the border every day so there is that too so whether made on one side of the border or not makes zero difference to me as long as the product is of VC quality . My 2 cents

I don't think there is any difference. Most of my VC dress straps are made in France.

It's interesting though to see two versions. It's a bit like the early gen 3's coming in the old box & old passport or new box old passport v the new box & card.

All in all it's trivial & only collectors will notice. ( And auction houses when they try and spin it as a temporary change)


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[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by solaire

I don't think there is any difference. Most of my VC dress straps are made in France.

It's interesting though to see two versions. It's a bit like the early gen 3's coming in the old box & old passport or new box old passport v the new box & card.

All in all it's trivial & only collectors will notice. ( And auction houses when they try and spin it as a temporary change)


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Trivial yes but interesting . I must admit it did surprise me when I receive mine . Just wasn’t expecting anything made in France

[prospective buyer]

How does one check whether the bracelet is Swiss or French made?

[RaZCaL]

Incoming! Absolute stunner!





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[BNABOD]

Originally Posted by prospective buyer

How does one check whether the bracelet is Swiss or French made?

Says it on the inside of the bracelet if I recall correctly