The A. Lange & Söhne Thread - including daily pics...

[JakeK]

Originally Posted by vinniebabarooch

Love it.

wow. stellar watch!!!

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by tomalf123

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Sorry to ask, what size wrist are you? Trying to decide on the new Zeitwerk (presuming it's announced in April) or the Zeitwerk date. Worried 42mm is about right for me and 44mm may be too big. I'm a 7.5 inch wrist.

[jtli202]

what the heck is going on with some of Lange's prices on the secondary? a dufourgraph came up with a big us dealer. my friend inquired and they told him 89.5k...

[Unsubscriber]

That's a reduction from last week when they were quoting "low 90s." Many will say it's the secondary market just catching on to Lange's parity with or outperformance of other fine makers – and then there's the cachet some ascribe to that piece. My impression is that many (most?) of the pieces at this price on the secondary market (from all manufacturers) are acquired through trades of other high-value watches rather than through straight sales. So the larger dealers who seem to be the market setters can test the waters as the hunger for high-value watches increases, the brand catches fire, and the alternatives are gobbled up. In 2021, your 5711 gets you only 1.2 Datographs instead of 2 Datographs.

I think their choice to make the price of this one available "on request" supports the possibility that there's some experimentation going on and uncertainty about where the Lange secondary market stands at the moment (they happily post prices of far more expensive watches). There's been a synergistic push by Richemont (through buybacks and retraction of AD licenses) and the bigger dealers to get prices up, up, up. Again, some enthusiasts will take the position that relative to list prices and to prices of competitors' watches, and in the context of Lange's low output, these prices are only shocking compared to Lange's historically poor performance on the secondary market. Certainly, collectors have been holding onto their Langes for longer than they had in the recent past. In 2018–2019, I followed a single platinum Datograph as it made the rounds between a few collectors and three dealers – that's not happening as much today, from what I can tell.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by Unsubscriber

That's a reduction from last week when they were quoting "low 90s." Many will say it's the secondary market just catching on to Lange's parity with or outperformance of other fine makers – and then there's the cachet some ascribe to that piece. My impression is that many (most?) of the pieces at this price on the secondary market (from all manufacturers) are acquired through trades of other high-value watches rather than through straight sales. So the larger dealers who seem to be the market setters can test the waters as the hunger for high-value watches increases, the brand catches fire, and the alternatives are gobbled up. In 2021, your 5711 gets you only 1.2 Datographs instead of 2 Datographs.

I think their choice to make the price of this one available "on request" supports the possibility that there's some experimentation going on and uncertainty about where the Lange secondary market stands at the moment (they happily post prices of far more expensive watches). There's been a synergistic push by Richemont (through buybacks and retraction of AD licenses) and the bigger dealers to get prices up, up, up. Again, some enthusiasts will take the position that relative to list prices and to prices of competitors' watches, and in the context of Lange's low output, these prices are only shocking compared to Lange's historically poor performance on the secondary market. Certainly, collectors have been holding onto their Langes for longer than they had in the recent past. In 2018–2019, I followed a single platinum Datograph as it made the rounds between a few collectors and three dealers – that's not happening as much today, from what I can tell.

Agreed. It makes no sense why retention was what it was before. Clearly people are starting to understand that Lange makes watches just as good if not better than brands in the trinity...

[CFR]

Originally Posted by jtli202

what the heck is going on with some of Lange's prices on the secondary? a dufourgraph came up with a big us dealer. my friend inquired and they told him 89.5k...

I was surprised too, but it's a smart move on their part. I briefly thought about getting it -- enough to talk to a friend about it -- but then smacked myself and realized I'd never actually wear it. The 403.031 was made for only 2 years, so there aren't many out there, especially compared to the 403.035 platinum. In addition, a Dato Yellowjacket was recently auctioned for I think $194K(!), and that boosts the price of the more common RG version (RG is of course still more popular than YG).

This reminds me of the early Lange 1 with solid caseback that they sold a few months ago. When I first saw it, I thought they overpriced it by about $40K. Those watches used to sell at a discount because nobody wanted a solid caseback, but apparently now they're collectible. Who knew?

I'd like to see the two Emil Lange 1815 Moonphase models increase in value. They skyrocketed from about 2001-2008, then they went down a bit when everything softened, and they've stayed there for the past 12 years. The fact that both versions (RG 231.031 LE of 250, and PT 231.035 LE of 150) currently sell for about half the price of an FPJ Chronometre Bleu is kind of sad to me when I compare them, other than the fact that more people prefer 40mm to 36mm. Maybe Instagram hasn't discovered the Emils yet. To me they're sleepers like many of the early (pre-Richemont) Lange LEs.

[edhahn44]

Originally Posted by jtli202

what the heck is going on with some of Lange's prices on the secondary? a dufourgraph came up with a big us dealer. my friend inquired and they told him 89.5k...

I can definitely observe a clear upward trend, less supply and quick turnaround times for the sought after Lange pieces, also dealer to end-customer / collector.

Sought after I would consider the closed caseback L1, the L1 Darth, blue dial L1s and 1815s, 1st gen Datos, 1st gen Chronos, Zeitwerks and some limited editions.

Good to see they step by step get the recognition they deserve.

[Halothane]

Originally Posted by RolexSimon

Sorry to ask, what size wrist are you? Trying to decide on the new Zeitwerk (presuming it's announced in April) or the Zeitwerk date. Worried 42mm is about right for me and 44mm may be too big. I'm a 7.5 inch wrist.

I’m about 6.75 in. The 42ish mm size of the base Zeitwerk works for me. I love the Zeitwerk Date but at 44 it looked fairly massive on me. I was fortunate to be able to try one on at a boutique.


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[jtli202]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Agreed. It makes no sense why retention was what it was before. Clearly people are starting to understand that Lange makes watches just as good if not better than brands in the trinity...

Originally Posted by CFR

I was surprised too, but it's a smart move on their part. I briefly thought about getting it -- enough to talk to a friend about it -- but then smacked myself and realized I'd never actually wear it. The 403.031 was made for only 2 years, so there aren't many out there, especially compared to the 403.035 platinum. In addition, a Dato Yellowjacket was recently auctioned for I think $194K(!), and that boosts the price of the more common RG version (RG is of course still more popular than YG).

This reminds me of the early Lange 1 with solid caseback that they sold a few months ago. When I first saw it, I thought they overpriced it by about $40K. Those watches used to sell at a discount because nobody wanted a solid caseback, but apparently now they're collectible. Who knew?

I'd like to see the two Emil Lange 1815 Moonphase models increase in value. They skyrocketed from about 2001-2008, then they went down a bit when everything softened, and they've stayed there for the past 12 years. The fact that both versions (RG 231.031 LE of 250, and PT 231.035 LE of 150) currently sell for about half the price of an FPJ Chronometre Bleu is kind of sad to me when I compare them, other than the fact that more people prefer 40mm to 36mm. Maybe Instagram hasn't discovered the Emils yet. To me they're sleepers like many of the early (pre-Richemont) Lange LEs.

Originally Posted by Unsubscriber

That's a reduction from last week when they were quoting "low 90s." Many will say it's the secondary market just catching on to Lange's parity with or outperformance of other fine makers – and then there's the cachet some ascribe to that piece. My impression is that many (most?) of the pieces at this price on the secondary market (from all manufacturers) are acquired through trades of other high-value watches rather than through straight sales. So the larger dealers who seem to be the market setters can test the waters as the hunger for high-value watches increases, the brand catches fire, and the alternatives are gobbled up. In 2021, your 5711 gets you only 1.2 Datographs instead of 2 Datographs.

I think their choice to make the price of this one available "on request" supports the possibility that there's some experimentation going on and uncertainty about where the Lange secondary market stands at the moment (they happily post prices of far more expensive watches). There's been a synergistic push by Richemont (through buybacks and retraction of AD licenses) and the bigger dealers to get prices up, up, up. Again, some enthusiasts will take the position that relative to list prices and to prices of competitors' watches, and in the context of Lange's low output, these prices are only shocking compared to Lange's historically poor performance on the secondary market. Certainly, collectors have been holding onto their Langes for longer than they had in the recent past. In 2018–2019, I followed a single platinum Datograph as it made the rounds between a few collectors and three dealers – that's not happening as much today, from what I can tell.

Originally Posted by edhahn44

I can definitely observe a clear upward trend, less supply and quick turnaround times for the sought after Lange pieces, also dealer to end-customer / collector.

Sought after I would consider the closed caseback L1, the L1 Darth, blue dial L1s and 1815s, 1st gen Datos, 1st gen Chronos, Zeitwerks and some limited editions.

Good to see they step by step get the recognition they deserve.

I agree with everything stated here. I think Lange makes the finest dress watches of any serial watch. I guess i was just taken aback at how quickly things happened.. 89k is more than a RG dato u/d at retail, no?

Could have picked one up for like 45 k in fall of 2019 . at least i still have this beaut

[RolexSimon]

Originally Posted by jtli202

I agree with everything stated here. I think Lange makes the finest dress watches of any serial watch. I guess i was just taken aback at how quickly things happened.. 89k is more than a RG dato u/d at retail, no?

Could have picked one up for like 45 k in fall of 2019 . at least i still have this beaut

Looks awesome. Congratulations.

[Abdullasaif]

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[mario1971]

[Carrerafan]

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[mario1971]

Originally Posted by Carrerafan

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It looks good. What exactly is a reference?

[justcruisin]

One week in and still loving it...

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[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Abdullasaif

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Quite a collection you have, Sir. Congratulations.


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[Abdullasaif]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Quite a collection you have, Sir. Congratulations.


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Ive actually had this watch since 2017

[jtli202]

So there is a rumor going around that any Langes above 50k (i.e. zeitwerk, datograph, 1815 chrono) will be by application only and you have to have purchased 2 watches previously from them.

Hoping someone more in the know could confirm/deny this

[raclaims]

I hope that's true for my own benefit lol but these pieces are so amazing I believe anyone who wants one should be able to get one.

[bibbi]

Originally Posted by mario1971

It looks good. What exactly is a reference?

Mario,

It’s probably this one: 140.029.

Retail price in Germany = €76.500.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...old-black-dial

B.

[lord91]

Originally Posted by jtli202

I agree with everything stated here. I think Lange makes the finest dress watches of any serial watch. I guess i was just taken aback at how quickly things happened.. 89k is more than a RG dato u/d at retail, no?

Could have picked one up for like 45 k in fall of 2019 . at least i still have this beaut

MY. OH. MY.

[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by jtli202

So there is a rumor going around that any Langes above 50k (i.e. zeitwerk, datograph, 1815 chrono) will be by application only and you have to have purchased 2 watches previously from them.

Hoping someone more in the know could confirm/deny this

I can confirm that they are "application pieces" based on conversations I've had, but I wasn't necessarily aware that there would be a purchase history requirement to attain a Zeitwerk, Datograph, or 1815 Chrono.

Obviously we're all aware that such "rules" exist for an Odysseus model.

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by chiscott_29

I can confirm that they are "application pieces" based on conversations I've had, but I wasn't necessarily aware that there would be a purchase history requirement to attain a Zeitwerk, Datograph, or 1815 Chrono.

Obviously we're all aware that such "rules" exist for an Odysseus model.

Seriously? Is this an upcoming change that’s being rumoured? Any boutique you walk into right now will have some of these pieces sitting in display. Is the application just asking to buy one?

I walked into a boutique in December and bought a 1815 Chrono. No application of any kind.

[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by fullofboats

Seriously? Is this an upcoming change that’s being rumoured? Any boutique you walk into right now will have some of these pieces sitting in display. Is the application just asking to buy one?
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LOL...I really don't know how it is supposed to work. I heard this change was coming in conjunction with a couple of new watches being announced for WoW. So, I'd anticipate any changes being more apparent in April.

[fullofboats]

Originally Posted by chiscott_29

LOL...I really don't know how it is supposed to work. I heard this change was coming in conjunction with a couple of new watches being announced for WoW. So, I'd anticipate any changes being more apparent in April.

Wow super interesting. So either demand for high end pieces has spiked or they’re going to cut production? I can’t imagine they would make ppl apply for watches sitting in boutiques - that’d reek of fake exclusivity.

Lange secondary prices are also moving very fast recently. I’ve seen pieces get sold +$10,000 higher these last few days than 8 weeks ago. Every grey is also hyping the brand up like mad. WB put out like three consecutive videos on ALS.

[raclaims]

Watches are selling like hot cakes...what was available in December isn't any longer and nothing new of consequence has been delivered in their place.

[chiscott_29]

Originally Posted by fullofboats

Wow super interesting. So either demand for high end pieces has spiked or they’re going to cut production? I can’t imagine they would make ppl apply for watches sitting in boutiques - that’d reek of fake exclusivity.

Lange secondary prices are also moving very fast recently. I’ve seen pieces get sold +$10,000 higher these last few days than 8 weeks ago. Every grey is also hyping the brand up like mad. WB put out like three consecutive videos on ALS.

Isn't all exclusivity fake in the watch world

This is of course an attempt to shore up secondary market prices...I think it's finally sunk in to them that is all that matters. You can make (arguably) the best watch in the industry, but if it loses 40% of its value, nobody cares. This is a huge shot fired to fix that perception.

Assuming the market stays hot, it will work. You just said it yourself...ALS is now entering the hype machine.

[Carrerafan]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Mario,

It’s probably this one: 140.029.

Retail price in Germany = €76.500.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...old-black-dial

B.

Correct!

[jd57]

Dial has so much depth

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by bibbi

Mario,

It’s probably this one: 140.029.

Retail price in Germany = €76.500.

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...old-black-dial

B.

Thanks!