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enjoythemusic · 20 November 2021, 08:51 PM

Had a bad dream last night. i just hope HAM can make it out of the next few races alive without a weird accident or strange equipment failure.

77T · 20 November 2021, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Andad

You are not the only one on TRF who has tracked carts, cars and bikes Paul.

Just how ‘tactically wide’ can you go and still have any respect left?

This was not just a slightly wider line it was moving out as far as was required to prevent an overtake.

Would MV have left the track by >5 metres under any other circumstances?

Well sure…

None of us (that I know of) have been in the seat of these cars, on that track, at that point in that race, at that turn, under those surface condition, with those tires degraded to their respective levels, etc…etc…

But all of us have a right to an opinion - mine is that VER took a defensive line and washed out his front a bit, counter-steered and then got back on the go pedal.

So respect your pov - thoughts?

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enjoythemusic · 20 November 2021, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 77T

- mine is that VER took a defensive line and washed out his front a bit, counter-steered and then got back on the go pedal.

So respect your pov - thoughts?

In the end imho facts don't matter. It's the new reality of the world we exist in.

77T · 20 November 2021, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

In the end imho facts don't matter. It's the new reality of the world we exist in.

I sense some despair, Steven

FIA F1 specifically, or motorsports in general?

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enjoythemusic · 21 November 2021, 12:13 AM

In general general. But hey, Peter Gabriel is right, what a show!

Speedbird-1 · 21 November 2021, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

In the end imho facts don't matter. It's the new reality of the world we exist in.

True,
(unless that is, you are, 'The Oracle')

It is clearly evident also, that the evidence, doesn't matter either.

"washes out a little bit"... fnar, fnar, fnar.....of course he did!

SDGT3 · 21 November 2021, 02:18 AM

HAM half a second faster than VER. Looked like BOT slowed up after the last corner and initially thought it was because of Gasly parked on the inside of the straight, but then realized BOT wants to start 3rd on the clean side of the track. Very astute of him to back off for tomorrows race start.

jatco · 21 November 2021, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rad22

Lmao. This is epic

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X2...

The Joker · 21 November 2021, 03:22 AM

Horner says the Merc straight line speed is down now after all the complaining and scrutiny, and comparable to the Red Bull, just that Hamilton had a great lap.

Surely the Mercs could just crank up the downforce to bring down the top speed and get the benefit in the corners.

Some great engineering from Mercedes either way to get this performance boost just when they need it.

Doesn't sound like gonna be much overtaking tomorrow.

AshAP · 21 November 2021, 05:27 AM

Not respecting double waved yellows in the final part of qualifying. No surprise as my impression is that he has little respect for anything on track.

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Uggi · 21 November 2021, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

Not respecting double waved yellows in the final part of qualifying. No surprise as my impression is that he has little respect for anything on track.

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Bet nothing comes of it. He does what he wants, with impunity.

AshAP · 21 November 2021, 06:40 AM

If he doesn’t receive a grid place penalty then the season is being fixed for him to be world champion. Speeding under double yellow flags is a 5 place grid penalty and since MV set his fastest lap on the last lap he’s unlikely to successfully argue that he slowed down.

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77T · 21 November 2021, 06:42 AM

SAI & BOT also summoned - but for disrespecting a single WYF.

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Uggi · 21 November 2021, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

If he doesn’t receive a grid place penalty then the season is being fixed for him to be world champion. Speeding under double yellow flags is a 5 place grid penalty and since MV set his fastest lap on the last lap he’s unlikely to successfully argue that he slowed down.

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Agreed. If the authorities don’t handle this the right way then it is clearly one rule for one and a different rule for others.

77T · 21 November 2021, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

If he doesn’t receive a grid place penalty then the season is being fixed for him to be world champion. Speeding under double yellow flags is a 5 place grid penalty and since MV set his fastest lap on the last lap he’s unlikely to successfully argue that he slowed down.

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F1 officials clarified the principal penalties for DWY during the USGP weekend.

A non-threatening breach: driver loses that lap time.

A dangerous breach: 3-place grid penalty.

Of course “dangerous” is a subjective choice - but it usually means speeding at the incident site with a stranded car present, a driver out of the car or other “boots on the ground”. Like emergency response, medical, fire marshal or course marshals.

This incident happened due to GAS tire failure and he continued without stopping IIRC.

GUESSING ONLY: Lap deleted.

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Brny11 · 21 November 2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 77T

F1 officials clarified the principal penalties for DWY during the USGP weekend.

A non-threatening breach: driver loses that lap time.

A dangerous breach: 3-place grid penalty.

Of course “dangerous” is a subjective choice - but it usually means speeding at the incident site with a stranded car present, a driver out of the car or other “boots on the ground”. Like emergency response, medical, fire marshal or course marshals.

This incident happened due to GAS tire failure and he continued without stopping IIRC.

GUESSING ONLY: Lap deleted.

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5grid penalty… Anticipating two possessed drivers today. Can’t wait!!

77T · 22 November 2021, 12:05 AM

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5grid penalty… Anticipating two possessed drivers today. Can’t wait!!

Thanks was out on a run and hadn’t seen it yet. I must have been wrong and GAS actually stopped somewhere on the side of the track?

I agree about about at least one “possessed” driver

VER must be patient where he now will start.

Horner whining that Masi should tell marshals when to put out a flag…he clearly doesn’t know how a race is marshaled.

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strettyend · 22 November 2021, 12:07 AM

Bottas is seriously useless

enjoythemusic · 22 November 2021, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by strettyend

Bottas is seriously useless

(sigh) yeah.

Am secretly hoping Alonso wins.

The Joker · 22 November 2021, 12:10 AM

Ha, so obviously from Gasly went wide on purpose, he even had DRS and didn't use it.

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77T · 22 November 2021, 01:10 AM

Pretty much a standard race at the front thus far for the TV audience. But a lot of good racing throughout the field for the fans at the track.

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77T · 22 November 2021, 01:12 AM

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Bottas is seriously useless

He may have a role later if Fast Lap becomes an issue.

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daveathall · 22 November 2021, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

He may have a role later if Fast Lap becomes an issue.

I would wager that his team were hoping for a little bit more from him than rescuing a fast lap.

77T · 22 November 2021, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by daveathall

I would wager that his team were hoping for a little bit more from him than rescuing a fast lap.

Agree

There was something amiss with that car methinks so he’s retired.

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daveathall · 22 November 2021, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

Agree

There was something amiss with that car methinks so he’s retired.

He may have been "retired" through frustration and as a point by Toto.

Brny11 · 22 November 2021, 01:34 AM

I am predicting (hoping) for a 1 point difference going into Abu Dhabi!

walds11 · 22 November 2021, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Brny11

I am predicting (hoping) for a 1 point difference going into Abu Dhabi!

8 point difference right now. Gonna be a good couple races!

Reign · 22 November 2021, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Joker

Ha, so obviously from Gasly went wide on purpose, he even had DRS and didn't use it.

That was a joke. If that’s not collusion, then I don’t what is. So blatantly obvious.

Merc would get roasted if they did that

77T · 22 November 2021, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

Thanks was out on a run and hadn’t seen it yet. I must have been wrong and GAS actually stopped somewhere on the side of the track?

I agree about about at least one “possessed” driver

VER must be patient where he now will start.

Horner whining that Masi should tell marshals when to put out a flag…he clearly doesn’t know how a race is marshaled.

Well Stewards did a warning…

And Horner will serve in Race Control to learn a bit more about how we control races…

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20 November 2021, 08:51 PM	#2581
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22 November 2021, 01:10 AM	#2602
77T 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,388	Pretty much a standard race at the front thus far for the TV audience. But a lot of good racing throughout the field for the fans at the track. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

21 November 2021, 02:18 AM	#2587
SDGT3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Real Name: Phillip Location: Right here Watch: SD43 Daytona Blusy Posts: 2,173	HAM half a second faster than VER. Looked like BOT slowed up after the last corner and initially thought it was because of Gasly parked on the inside of the straight, but then realized BOT wants to start 3rd on the clean side of the track. Very astute of him to back off for tomorrows race start.

21 November 2021, 03:22 AM	#2589
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,641	Horner says the Merc straight line speed is down now after all the complaining and scrutiny, and comparable to the Red Bull, just that Hamilton had a great lap. Surely the Mercs could just crank up the downforce to bring down the top speed and get the benefit in the corners. Some great engineering from Mercedes either way to get this performance boost just when they need it. Doesn't sound like gonna be much overtaking tomorrow.

21 November 2021, 05:27 AM	#2590
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,544	Not respecting double waved yellows in the final part of qualifying. No surprise as my impression is that he has little respect for anything on track. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

21 November 2021, 06:40 AM	#2592
AshAP "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ash Location: UK Watch: AP Royal Oak Posts: 4,544	If he doesn’t receive a grid place penalty then the season is being fixed for him to be world champion. Speeding under double yellow flags is a 5 place grid penalty and since MV set his fastest lap on the last lap he’s unlikely to successfully argue that he slowed down. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

22 November 2021, 12:10 AM	#2600
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,641	Ha, so obviously from Gasly went wide on purpose, he even had DRS and didn't use it.

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