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BruceS · 2 December 2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

That is okay, I am now in the market for one of those Seikos for Andie.

For me, I still have this strap fetish thing you know.

LOL that's very true

I think I'm done for the night mate. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

dman · 2 December 2005, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceS

LOL that's very true

I think I'm done for the night mate. I'll talk to you tomorrow.

You got it pal, best to the family!!

padi56 · 2 December 2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

Great Link Padi

SInce I've found out about them, I've always wanted to see one in person.

I love the colors on the one in the link. Gold numbers, blued hands, Burgandy strap, BEAUTIFUL. I'm interested in seeing and learning a bit more about the spring dive that what I've already read.

Well Paul that was the model I had a look at in Singapore yes I love blued hands.Case movement was as good as I have ever
seen,and would put to shame many high end brands.And they still guaranteed service and spares for watches 30 + years
old.There are two watches I hope to get,before I go to the
great watchmaker in the sky,or down below,Seiko Grand and a 30s-40s Rolex Prince doctor style dial.

2 December 2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceS

LOL, oh more than likely I'll do nothing. I have a strange WIS way of justifying things. Like I was telling Daren earlier, we have watches that are more Tam's and watches that are more mine. Of the ones that are mine, I essentially wear 2. The others are cheap like the BM and the Citizen Nighthawk, or just old and not worth much like my old Seamaster. There's no "investment" tied up in them, so if I don't wear them it doesn't bother me. It's almost as if they aren't there.

So you see, I only have two watches!

Okay, so to condense this down, you really have a lot of watches, but you only "count" two......I'm trying to decide if this is a simple rationalization on your part, or a true case of cognitive dissonance........

Maybe I'll let the resident pshrinks on the forum make the final diagnosis.......

BruceS · 2 December 2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Avalon

Okay, so to condense this down, you really have a lot of watches, but you only "count" two......I'm trying to decide if this is a simple rationalization on your part, or a true case of cognitive dissonance........

Maybe I'll let the resident pshrinks on the forum make the final diagnosis.......

WIS logic mate. WiS logic

Mr. K · 3 December 2005, 10:12 PM

You think that is bad, I used to not count watches if they cost less than the tax on my most expensive watch.

Now try to figure that one out.

But it made sense to me.

JJ Irani · 4 December 2005, 04:30 AM

This post has hit a quarter of a century in the pages department. A new world record?

dman · 4 December 2005, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. K

You think that is bad, I used to not count watches if they cost less than the tax on my most expensive watch.

Now try to figure that one out.

But it made sense to me.

ROTFLMAO Mark, that is hilarious.

mailman · 5 December 2005, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Well Paul that was the model I had a look at in Singapore yes I love blued hands.Case movement was as good as I have ever
seen,and would put to shame many high end brands.And they still guaranteed service and spares for watches 30 + years
old.There are two watches I hope to get,before I go to the
great watchmaker in the sky,or down below,Seiko Grand and a 30s-40s Rolex Prince doctor style dial.

Hey Padi. The GS is attainable when you're ready to pull the trigger. The Prince on the other hand, that will probably be hard to come by.

dman · 5 December 2005, 01:39 PM

Just wanted to make the 250th post in this, another thread on TRF that won't DIE!!!

Rockrolex · 5 December 2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

Just wanted to make the 250th post in this, another thread on TRF that won't DIE!!!

Another example of you being a day late and a post short, D. You were No. 251.

dman · 5 December 2005, 02:26 PM

I beg to differ, this is number 252, so you were 251,.

Getting old can be rough.

Mrdi · 17 April 2006, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

The chicks dig it.

Yup,
Thanks Atomic.
and
the Porsche won't run without it.

Mr. K · 17 April 2006, 09:30 PM

Exactly!

But the thing is the more I learn about other watches the more I know that Rolex is not the end all be all. I have a new interest in UN these days.

But why is it I keep returning to Rolex? It is not the most complicated, most expensive, nor does it have the most history, but part of it is I ALWAYS wanted one since I was a kid. Marketing had some to do with it, but on its own merits it is a great watch!

Slow to change....sure. Is that not what some refer to as "tradition?"

Gentleman8 · 14 May 2006, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. K

Hello guys. I know I said I was supposed to be staying away from these forums to study for a upcoming test, but just too hard to stay away.

Since I was away I bought a OQ 17000 and in the process of ordering an explorer. That means some watches will have to go. My Omega AT quartz is one of them. Will sell it to a friend for $300USD. (Someone is getting a deal.) First sold by a dealer earlier this year.

Now to my question of WHY ROLEX?

I look at the AT case and it just seems better built than my DJs. The lugs look stronger, it has SEL, the bracelet seems stronger. Hidden clasp.

But with all that said, I just seem to be drawn to Rolex like a moth to a light. On the surface the Omega case build seems every bit as good as Rolex. Maybe better. (Not taking into consideration the movement.)

But in my mind, Rolex will always be king to me. I think Omega makes GREAT watches. But to me they will always be second to Rolex. Could be the movement, resale value, and I like the fact that Rolex does not heavily discount.

But looking at the AT, I wonder how much of it comes down to marketing and brand perception. I do not want to bash Omega at all because I like the brand a lot. But what separates Rolex apart for you guys?

What is SEL ?

JJ Irani · 14 May 2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gentleman8

What is SEL ?

SEL = Solid End Link. Here you can see the pics below to explain it a little better...

With SEL...

Non-SEL...

And from below...with SEL (top pic) and non-SEL (below pic - note butterfly wing protrusions)

Cheers - JJ

Gentleman8 · 14 May 2006, 03:46 PM

Thank you very much. My knowledge is increasing by the day but I still have a long way to go before I can catch up with you gentlemen..

JJ Irani · 14 May 2006, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Gentleman8

Thank you very much. My knowledge is increasing by the day but I still have a long way to go before I can catch up with you gentlemen..

No problem, Steven. Here's another tip....in the first picture you will note that the SEL is an integral part of the rest of the bracelet. It cannot come free from the bracelet.

The non-SEL link, on the other hand, comes off when you detach the bracelet from the watch case.

The SEL bracelets were introduced in 2000 (I think) and were started up on the Oyster bracelets with the sports models.

JJ

JJ Irani · 14 May 2006, 03:51 PM

Another thing, Steven....all of today's sports Rollies will not have the bracelet part number on the inside first link. Instead, you will find it on the inner side of the SEL...but for that, you have take the bracelet off first. See pic below...

Goodwatch · 14 May 2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

SEL = Solid End Link. Here you can see the pics below to explain it a little better...

With SEL...

Non-SEL...

And from below...with SEL (top pic) and non-SEL (below pic - note butterfly wing protrusions)

Cheers - JJ

This is something for the Rolex FAQ list I think!

DocD · 14 May 2006, 11:39 PM

I know it's been said before, but I looked at the Panerais and the Breitlings and a lot of others. I know the Panis are great watches, but my opinion is that they are presently a fad and a watch that became popular after guys like Sylvester Stallone started wearing them. Once again, I know that Panis have a long history and are great watches. The Breitlings have a little too much "bling" for me. And although Rolex may have some flaws, like the piece of crap clasp on my sub date, it is a time tested, ruggedly built classic with no fancy bells or whistles.

It's like a white button down oxford shirt or a blue blazer. They will never go out of style, where there will be zillions of other fashion trends. I'm a soccer player, and for those of you that are soccer players or "footballers" and have seen the recent advent of all the new fancy soccer cleats with all the bells and whistles, Adidas still makes the Adidas Copa, which is a classic soccer shoe that they haven't changed in about 30 years, and it's still a great shoe.

That's why I wear a Rolex. I'm not a slave to fashion trends or new fangled fads. I like to wear something that's time tested and shows that I'm confident enough NOT to have to follow the leader every time some fashion guru tells me what to wear.

Wayno · 15 May 2006, 02:13 AM

Well said Doc

JJ Irani · 15 May 2006, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DocD

I know it's been said before, but I looked at the Panerais and the Breitlings and a lot of others. I know the Panis are great watches, but my opinion is that they are presently a fad and a watch that became popular after guys like Sylvester Stallone started wearing them. Once again, I know that Panis have a long history and are great watches. The Breitlings have a little too much "bling" for me. And although Rolex may have some flaws, like the piece of crap clasp on my sub date, it is a time tested, ruggedly built classic with no fancy bells or whistles.

It's like a white button down oxford shirt or a blue blazer. They will never go out of style, where there will be zillions of other fashion trends. I'm a soccer player, and for those of you that are soccer players or "footballers" and have seen the recent advent of all the new fancy soccer cleats with all the bells and whistles, Adidas still makes the Adidas Copa, which is a classic soccer shoe that they haven't changed in about 30 years, and it's still a great shoe.

That's why I wear a Rolex. I'm not a slave to fashion trends or new fangled fads. I like to wear something that's time tested and shows that I'm confident enough NOT to have to follow the leader every time some fashion guru tells me what to wear.

Good post, Doc....have to agree with you all the way!

Gentleman8 · 15 May 2006, 08:39 AM

Ahaha, this is good ..

Rhomea · 3 July 2007, 10:57 PM

An educated and intelligent person should be able to hold different thoughts in their head at the same time.
i.e. Rolex is a status symbol with a $150 movements inside
and/but
Rolex is a good choice to own for certain occasions when I will not be in the midst of people who are deeply knowledgeable about watches.
and
I love my Rolexes!

The fact that Rolex spends far more on marketing than nearly every other brand to create a brand image for the middle-upper to lower-upper classes is not unknown nor unwise.

However, it does not change the inside of the watch. As several have pointed out, it is a good, sturdy and readily recognizable statement watch. It shouts more than whispers and dresses up well. I own several Rolex and corresponding Tudors for wear in places where a robbery might be possible as a gold Rolex also is a mugger's beacon.

I own at least a dozen top tier pieces (JLC, VC, Patek, UN, IWC) but they are not great for everyday wear so I also keep a group incl Omega, Gevril and Oris on the winders for watersports, vacation travel, banging around in my garden or working on my cars. [NB: The exception is my 18k RG JLC master Geo which is the best BIZ travel watch I have owned (and I went thru a few getting there). The 2nd TZ function is simple, legible and the beauty of its design, silver dial and case turns heads in any conf room.]

I guess the bottom line is that any watch over US$200 is a piece of jewelry and thus a completely subjective purchase. Rolexes are nice jewelry but many true manufactures make available far better timepieces with lower marketing budgets. recognizing that fact politely is NOT "bashing" as some mods here seem to think.

Lastly, as newbie here

, but not at TZ or other less singular sites: lighten up folks.

your watch is not you and vice versa. If some one says they don't like Rolex, that doesn't mean they don't like you. Sadly, I have seen in my 30+ yrs collecting watches that Rolex is associated with a certain bling-bling stereotype for which conspicuous consumption and brand recognition trumps manufacture**. If that bothers you - change watches b/c it isn't going to change. I couldn't give a shyte about what others think so wear my vintage DJ with its original GORGEOUS Lapis Lazuli dial as happily as my VC 222 or UN Perpetual or the beauty of my Tudor Date+Day with silver dial.

It is just a watch so ENJOY IT!!!

** funny story... as I am sure u all know - JayZ has recently become a collector and the story goes that his choice of diamond encrusted bling was converted to more serious collecting when he bought his first AP at Wempe on 5th Ave. He asked if they would put a diamond bezel on a rare LE piece and when the salesman told him sure but that it DEVALUE the watch in the future... he wised up!!!

nodnarb757 · 4 July 2007, 05:21 PM

Tradition. Craftsmanship. Timelessness. Beauty. Mystique.
No other watch in the world can match those that dignify a Rolex.

4 December 2005, 04:30 AM	#247
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	This post has hit a quarter of a century in the pages department. A new world record? __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

5 December 2005, 01:39 PM	#250
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Just wanted to make the 250th post in this, another thread on TRF that won't DIE!!! __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

5 December 2005, 02:26 PM	#252
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	I beg to differ, this is number 252, so you were 251,. Getting old can be rough. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

14 May 2006, 03:51 PM	#259
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Another thing, Steven....all of today's sports Rollies will not have the bracelet part number on the inside first link. Instead, you will find it on the inner side of the SEL...but for that, you have take the bracelet off first. See pic below... __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

3 December 2005, 10:12 PM	#246
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,075	You think that is bad, I used to not count watches if they cost less than the tax on my most expensive watch. Now try to figure that one out. But it made sense to me.

17 April 2006, 09:30 PM	#254
Mr. K "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Mark Location: Seattle-ish Posts: 6,075	Exactly! But the thing is the more I learn about other watches the more I know that Rolex is not the end all be all. I have a new interest in UN these days. But why is it I keep returning to Rolex? It is not the most complicated, most expensive, nor does it have the most history, but part of it is I ALWAYS wanted one since I was a kid. Marketing had some to do with it, but on its own merits it is a great watch! Slow to change....sure. Is that not what some refer to as "tradition?"

14 May 2006, 03:46 PM	#257
Gentleman8 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Steven Location: Canada Posts: 663	Thank you very much. My knowledge is increasing by the day but I still have a long way to go before I can catch up with you gentlemen..

14 May 2006, 11:39 PM	#261
DocD "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: New Jersey Watch: Submariner date Posts: 298	I know it's been said before, but I looked at the Panerais and the Breitlings and a lot of others. I know the Panis are great watches, but my opinion is that they are presently a fad and a watch that became popular after guys like Sylvester Stallone started wearing them. Once again, I know that Panis have a long history and are great watches. The Breitlings have a little too much "bling" for me. And although Rolex may have some flaws, like the piece of crap clasp on my sub date, it is a time tested, ruggedly built classic with no fancy bells or whistles. It's like a white button down oxford shirt or a blue blazer. They will never go out of style, where there will be zillions of other fashion trends. I'm a soccer player, and for those of you that are soccer players or "footballers" and have seen the recent advent of all the new fancy soccer cleats with all the bells and whistles, Adidas still makes the Adidas Copa, which is a classic soccer shoe that they haven't changed in about 30 years, and it's still a great shoe. That's why I wear a Rolex. I'm not a slave to fashion trends or new fangled fads. I like to wear something that's time tested and shows that I'm confident enough NOT to have to follow the leader every time some fashion guru tells me what to wear.

15 May 2006, 02:13 AM	#262
Wayno Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Wayne Location: Nashville, TN. Watch: TTDJ Posts: 275	Well said Doc

15 May 2006, 08:39 AM	#264
Gentleman8 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Steven Location: Canada Posts: 663	Ahaha, this is good ..

3 July 2007, 10:57 PM	#265
Rhomea "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Paris Posts: 1	An educated and intelligent person should be able to hold different thoughts in their head at the same time. i.e. Rolex is a status symbol with a $150 movements inside and/but Rolex is a good choice to own for certain occasions when I will not be in the midst of people who are deeply knowledgeable about watches. and I love my Rolexes! The fact that Rolex spends far more on marketing than nearly every other brand to create a brand image for the middle-upper to lower-upper classes is not unknown nor unwise. However, it does not change the inside of the watch. As several have pointed out, it is a good, sturdy and readily recognizable statement watch. It shouts more than whispers and dresses up well. I own several Rolex and corresponding Tudors for wear in places where a robbery might be possible as a gold Rolex also is a mugger's beacon. I own at least a dozen top tier pieces (JLC, VC, Patek, UN, IWC) but they are not great for everyday wear so I also keep a group incl Omega, Gevril and Oris on the winders for watersports, vacation travel, banging around in my garden or working on my cars. [NB: The exception is my 18k RG JLC master Geo which is the best BIZ travel watch I have owned (and I went thru a few getting there). The 2nd TZ function is simple, legible and the beauty of its design, silver dial and case turns heads in any conf room.] I guess the bottom line is that any watch over US$200 is a piece of jewelry and thus a completely subjective purchase. Rolexes are nice jewelry but many true manufactures make available far better timepieces with lower marketing budgets. recognizing that fact politely is NOT "bashing" as some mods here seem to think. Lastly, as newbie here , but not at TZ or other less singular sites: lighten up folks. your watch is not you and vice versa. If some one says they don't like Rolex, that doesn't mean they don't like you. Sadly, I have seen in my 30+ yrs collecting watches that Rolex is associated with a certain bling-bling stereotype for which conspicuous consumption and brand recognition trumps manufacture. If that bothers you - change watches b/c it isn't going to change. I couldn't give a shyte about what others think so wear my vintage DJ with its original GORGEOUS Lapis Lazuli dial as happily as my VC 222 or UN Perpetual or the beauty of my Tudor Date+Day with silver dial. It is just a watch so ENJOY IT!!! funny story... as I am sure u all know - JayZ has recently become a collector and the story goes that his choice of diamond encrusted bling was converted to more serious collecting when he bought his first AP at Wempe on 5th Ave. He asked if they would put a diamond bezel on a rare LE piece and when the salesman told him sure but that it DEVALUE the watch in the future... he wised up!!!

4 July 2007, 05:21 PM	#266
nodnarb757 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toledo Watch: you gonna do? Posts: 224	Tradition. Craftsmanship. Timelessness. Beauty. Mystique. No other watch in the world can match those that dignify a Rolex.

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