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[Goin2drt]

The problem I see is if F1 doesn't reel in Ver recklessness then this thing all turns into a team event. Bottas is good enough to be up in the fight. If there is going to be no ramifications for the this type of driving and running people off track then let the games begin. This wouldn't even be a championship. Let Bottas be the muscle like in hockey and LH would be running away with this. The fact of the matter is Ver is reckless, Red Bull allows it and even promotes it while LH is a far better 1 v 1 driver and MBZ is far classier and even a better, faster team. And no I am not a LH fan. I do not support his or like his off track views and politics. I would prefer someone else to win the championship but win by being the best not by being the most reckless that has nothing to lose.

[Brny11]

Very cool side by side of Ham Ver qualifying laps

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...5KpkEEvqN.html

[joli160]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

The problem I see is if F1 doesn't reel in Ver recklessness then this thing all turns into a team event. Bottas is good enough to be up in the fight. If there is going to be no ramifications for the this type of driving and running people off track then let the games begin. This wouldn't even be a championship. Let Bottas be the muscle like in hockey and LH would be running away with this. The fact of the matter is Ver is reckless, Red Bull allows it and even promotes it while LH is a far better 1 v 1 driver and MBZ is far classier and even a better, faster team. And no I am not a LH fan. I do not support his or like his off track views and politics. I would prefer someone else to win the championship but win by being the best not by being the most reckless that has nothing to lose.

Looking at the history this season LH ran MV of the track with 300km/h and was found guilty. That really qualifies as reckless.
Bottas did his fair share as well already in another indirect attack on MV causing MV to crash.

I really would not classify MB as classier.

Both teams are fighting hard, perhaps MB can sell it better to the public. Tactics are the same

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by joli160

Looking at the history this season LH ran MV of the track with 300km/h and was found guilty. That really qualifies as reckless.
Bottas did his fair share as well already in another indirect attack on MV causing MV to crash.

I really would not classify MB as classier.

Both teams are fighting hard, perhaps MB can sell it better to the public. Tactics are the same

People have short memories. Lewis and Mercedes celebrating after Hamilton put VER in the hospital at Silverstone was very "classy" indeed.

And let's not forget the fact that Bottas took out both Red Bull's on lap #1 of the very next race at Hungary was another convenient truth forgotten by the apologists... it's always the same story.

https://www.news24.com/wheels/formul...an-gp-20210802

[SDGT3]

This Sunday will be Kimi & Giovanazzi's last race in F1.... based on this video, I'm recommending Kimi for Safety Car driver in 2022 - I don't think Max or Lewis will complain that the SC is driving too slowly LOL.  Antonio is not a good passenger

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/v...059826081.html

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

This Sunday will be Kimi & Giovanazzi's last race in F1.... based on this video, I'm recommending Kimi for Safety Car driver in 2022 - I don't think Max or Lewis will complain that the SC is driving too slowly LOL.  Antonio is not a good passenger

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/v...059826081.html

That’s hilarious. Italian vs Finn - Kimi was cool in the navigator role.

I saw the problem right off. Wrong tyre compound could hear it across the ocean from Jeddah…


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by 77T

That’s hilarious. Italian vs Finn - Kimi was cool in the navigator role.

I saw the problem right off. Wrong tyre compound could hear it across the ocean from Jeddah…


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Looked like a lot of fun...
Sign me up....

[77T]

Originally Posted by jatco

Looked like a lot of fun...
Sign me up....

I used to do that for the corner workers as a perk during quiet hours on race weekends. Recruit drivers they liked, got hot wheels from others and burned up the track for an hour…they LOVED it.


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[jatco]

Originally Posted by 77T

I used to do that for the corner workers as a perk during quiet hours on race weekends. Recruit drivers they liked, got hot wheels from others and burned up the track for an hour…they LOVED it.


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[The Joker]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

People have short memories. Lewis and Mercedes celebrating after Hamilton put VER in the hospital at Silverstone was very "classy" indeed.

And let's not forget the fact that Bottas took out both Red Bull's on lap #1 of the very next race at Hungary was another convenient truth forgotten by the apologists... it's always the same story.

https://www.news24.com/wheels/formul...an-gp-20210802

I don't think Lewis was told about Verstappen being in hospital when he celebrated the win.

When he asked about Verstappen on the radio, he was told “he’s OK and out of the car.”

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by joli160

Looking at the history this season LH ran MV of the track with 300km/h and was found guilty. That really qualifies as reckless.
Bottas did his fair share as well already in another indirect attack on MV causing MV to crash.

I really would not classify MB as classier.

Both teams are fighting hard, perhaps MB can sell it better to the public. Tactics are the same

Just curious, how many drivers or people besides MV and fans of MV have ever labeled LH as reckless or dangerous. Lewis has had a few run ins with Albon and again these types of examples are always with a desperate driver coming from behind on the outside and usually a RB coincidently.
Seems it’s always a late breaker or a driver trying to close off the apex with LH on the inside. Seems RB drivers try making or forcing passes with a car down on power or performance by late breaking(unreliably, dangerous maybe) and playing chicken on the corner.
I don’t know of any other driver that’s labeled reckless or dangerous, even counting the old timers like Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, etc. Lewis may be known and described in various ways but dangerous, reckless or aggressive isn’t one of them.

This celebration people quote at Silverstone is over blown, and exaggerated. Unlike MV’s clear no f$@ks given attitude when he crashes someone, ie runs over LH’s head(again charging the apex playing chicken) and walks off clearly not caring if LH was ok. That’s a lot different than getting into a crash and the other driver continues to race. MV shows he is immature and irresponsible by his behavior on/off the track and the real kicker is he doesn’t take accountability EVER when he’s at fault.
He says that F1 is being managed by penalties and stewards, well yeah there are rules kiddo, you break them, you pay. It’s like saying football is ran by referees/whistles and flags. Silly comment and pov. It’s not a demolition derby and the craziest most daring late breaker who has a back down or I’ll crash you attitude is not a metric for measuring talent.

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Just curious, how many drivers or people besides MV and fans of MV have ever labeled LH as reckless or dangerous. Lewis has had a few run ins with Albon and again these types of examples are always with a desperate driver coming from behind on the outside and usually a RB coincidently.
Seems it’s always a late breaker or a driver trying to close off the apex with LH on the inside. Seems RB drivers try making or forcing passes with a car down on power or performance by late breaking(unreliably, dangerous maybe) and playing chicken on the corner.
I don’t know of any other driver that’s labeled reckless or dangerous, even counting the old timers like Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, etc. Lewis may be known and described in various ways but dangerous, reckless or aggressive isn’t one of them.

This celebration people quote at Silverstone is over blown, and exaggerated. Unlike MV’s clear no f$@ks given attitude when he crashes someone, ie runs over LH’s head(again charging the apex playing chicken) and walks off clearly not caring if LH was ok. That’s a lot different than getting into a crash and the other driver continues to race. MV shows he is immature and irresponsible by his behavior on/off the track and the real kicker is he doesn’t take accountability EVER when he’s at fault.
He says that F1 is being managed by penalties and stewards, well yeah there are rules kiddo, you break them, you pay. It’s like saying football is ran by referees/whistles and flags. Silly comment and pov. It’s not a demolition derby and the craziest most daring late breaker who has a back down or I’ll crash you attitude is not a metric for measuring talent.

If Max had just yielded position to Lewis at Silverstone he probably would've finished 2nd in that race and had a large lead going into the final race.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by 77T

Why do I feel that I was in a thread about F1 but then it shifted to a soap opera like “All My Children”?

Like I wandered into the event horizon of a massive black hole.

Back to our regular programming…Red Bull has added wing. Methinks VER has gained new respect in FP2 for the fastest street circuit in F1 history.


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Originally Posted by 77T

There…you said it.

That is how I ended up - they rated me as an uncomplicated Kimi.


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And now I know why.

‘All my children’.

Stay on track Paul.

NPI.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Just curious, how many drivers or people besides MV and fans of MV have ever labeled LH as reckless or dangerous. Lewis has had a few run ins with Albon and again these types of examples are always with a desperate driver coming from behind on the outside and usually a RB coincidently.
Seems it’s always a late breaker or a driver trying to close off the apex with LH on the inside. Seems RB drivers try making or forcing passes with a car down on power or performance by late breaking(unreliably, dangerous maybe) and playing chicken on the corner.
I don’t know of any other driver that’s labeled reckless or dangerous, even counting the old timers like Vettel, Alonso, Kimi, etc. Lewis may be known and described in various ways but dangerous, reckless or aggressive isn’t one of them.

This celebration people quote at Silverstone is over blown, and exaggerated. Unlike MV’s clear no f$@ks given attitude when he crashes someone, ie runs over LH’s head(again charging the apex playing chicken) and walks off clearly not caring if LH was ok. That’s a lot different than getting into a crash and the other driver continues to race. MV shows he is immature and irresponsible by his behavior on/off the track and the real kicker is he doesn’t take accountability EVER when he’s at fault.
He says that F1 is being managed by penalties and stewards, well yeah there are rules kiddo, you break them, you pay. It’s like saying football is ran by referees/whistles and flags. Silly comment and pov. It’s not a demolition derby and the craziest most daring late breaker who has a back down or I’ll crash you attitude is not a metric for measuring talent.

Well put. I would have given this post a but we don't have that option. the defending of Ver as anything other than reckless just shows that people have no clue about real racing. He isn't "aggressive", he is flat out reckless and one day will severely injure someone and then maybe F1 will get a little more serious about punishing such behavior.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Well put. I would have given this post a but we don't have that option. the defending of Ver as anything other than reckless just shows that people have no clue about real racing. We isn't "aggressive", he is flat out reckless and one day will severely injure someone and then maybe F1 will get a little more serious about punishing such behavior.

In the post race interview he claims he doesn’t want to discuss the issue. He says Formula 1 is too restrictive and penalties ruin racing. He claims every time these incidents happen it’s because the other driver goes outside the white lines “too”…..what is he smoking. He describes the full apex he jumped over and missed as going a “little off”. He even blames the stewards and says, how he got away with it in Brazil but gets punished in SA. So he knows he’s wrong and is just doing whatever he wants in hopes he gets away with it “for racing’s sake.” Just no!

Lewis was more polite about the situation. He says all drivers know the rules and everyone knows that no matter how tight you race you have to stay within the lines but there is one driver who thinks he doesn’t need to. Lewis has had to adapt to racing MV aggressive or lose out every time. The top three drivers with the most overtakes, two of which are Alonzo and Vettel do not have an identity for being dangerous or reckless. There’s plenty of hard racing mid pack, much which we don’t see yet among the drivers there is no one who is single handedly is known to be trouble by his peers like MV. Kimi has said he will kill someone one day.

How is LH supposed to A-pass from behind a driver who is braking beyond the braking zone going off track to gain advantage or B-turn into a corner himself when the “one” guy who doesn’t abide by the rules will just plow into him deliberately and drive over his head. He states that’s not racing because crashing and not finishing is not an option, while others don’t care.

[77T]

In sum:
to finish first…
first, you must finish.

Jos missed that during development of the youngster. I know, “thank you captain obvious”…

Now, for your Throwback Thursday enjoyment…all you VER defenders and detractors, “heads up”. Can you name VER’s first crash in a F1 car??? No, it was this…as a 16y.o. Newly promoted into the Toro Rosso seat 7 years ago.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/max...rassing-crash/

Video:



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[SDGT3]

I do have to laugh at all the Hamilton apologists who have seen an easy road for him in the past 9 years with the exception of Nico taking 1 off him. Mercedes and Hamilton simply aren't used to racing anyone and have been able to control the outcome with their 2nd driver. Now, they can't and the stress level is on "10".

It's been said many times by many F1 drivers that Hamilton is a good driver but his car flatters him - none more so than one of the best drivers F1 has ever produced:

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/...ryone-in-2021/

“It will depend on the package, a little bit. Mercedes lately I think is a little bit more performing and they won a couple of races now but Max is driving, in my opinion, one step ahead of all of us.

“We saw the lap in Jeddah until he touched the wall in the last corner. That lap was coming from Max, not the Red Bull so I think in a way, but that’s my opinion.

“Mercedes, they deserve the constructors’ championship because I think the car is superior and Max maybe overall in the year was driving one step ahead of everyone.”

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

“We saw the lap in Jeddah until he touched the wall in the last corner. That lap was coming from Max, not the Red Bull so I think in a way, but that’s my opinion.

Am I missing something? He crashed and didn't finish, in anybodies world, that isn't a good lap.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Am I missing something? He crashed and didn't finish, in anybodies world, that isn't a good lap.

It’s like saying I’d have had a hole in 1 if only my ball hadn’t hit that tree.


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

I do have to laugh at all the Hamilton apologists who have seen an easy road for him in the past 9 years with the exception of Nico taking 1 off him. Mercedes and Hamilton simply aren't used to racing anyone and have been able to control the outcome with their 2nd driver. Now, they can't and the stress level is on "10".

It's been said many times by many F1 drivers that Hamilton is a good driver but his car flatters him - none more so than one of the best drivers F1 has ever produced:

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/...ryone-in-2021/

“It will depend on the package, a little bit. Mercedes lately I think is a little bit more performing and they won a couple of races now but Max is driving, in my opinion, one step ahead of all of us.

“We saw the lap in Jeddah until he touched the wall in the last corner. That lap was coming from Max, not the Red Bull so I think in a way, but that’s my opinion.

“Mercedes, they deserve the constructors’ championship because I think the car is superior and Max maybe overall in the year was driving one step ahead of everyone.”

well lewis lost the championship by 1 point his rookie year to kimi and tied alonso and won the following year. mclaren were not a dominant car back then either, arguably they were the "best" car one of those years but it was close and not something easily agreed on, definitely nothing like mercedes the last decade and this is a rookie we're talking about

regarding his time at mercedes, who on the grid do you think could've beat him in a car equal to or in the merc? alonso would be the only one talented enough but he's a diva and can't keep himself composed when things are choppy. let's not forget all the drama between them during their time at mclaren so i don't take much of that quote from alonso. mercedes had a very dominant car but people don't give lewis enough credit. i think he's the most complete driver the sport has ever seen and i think of him as a modern day senna (minus crashing into teammates)

[enjoythemusic]

Just arrived today! Only 1999 made.

Showing my support for Hamilton

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[jatco]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Just arrived today! Only 1999 made.

Showing my support for Hamilton

Attachment 1259784

Shouldn't that be 8:44...?!?

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by huncho

well lewis lost the championship by 1 point his rookie year to kimi and tied alonso and won the following year. mclaren were not a dominant car back then either, arguably they were the "best" car one of those years but it was close and not something easily agreed on, definitely nothing like mercedes the last decade and this is a rookie we're talking about

regarding his time at mercedes, who on the grid do you think could've beat him in a car equal to or in the merc? alonso would be the only one talented enough but he's a diva and can't keep himself composed when things are choppy. let's not forget all the drama between them during their time at mclaren so i don't take much of that quote from alonso. mercedes had a very dominant car but people don't give lewis enough credit. i think he's the most complete driver the sport has ever seen and i think of him as a modern day senna (minus crashing into teammates)

The McLaren was light years faster than the Ferrari in 2007. Kimi was 32 points adrift with 3 races to go. The only reason Kimi won was because Hamilton beached his car in China and other blunders in the home stretch. If you look at the entire history of LH, he's either had the most dominant car or close to it his entire career.

With regard to who could beat him, Alonso for sure, even today, Max, give me Ricciardo and a young Vettel (not Vettel today as he's lost his fire). Let's not forget that this "7 time WC" was beat by Button and Rosberg in the same car, and hardly in the category of Alonso and Vettel. Alonso has done more with less for years including taking Vettel to the last race in 2010 and 2012 in a Ferrari where DiMontezemo said is .5 second per lap faster because it's in Fernando's hands.

Lewis gets his credit for being the best natural talent in F1 history, but hardly the best driver. He doesn't work at his craft and only started putting in the work this year when pushed to do so by Max. Max is closer to a Senna in just about every way including disposition on and off track.

Next year I believe George Russell will give Hamilton all he can handle as Hamilton will finally have a teammate who is on par if not faster since 2007.

[daveathall]

I would imagine that those teams who have the most dominant car would also have experts and the money to enable them to get the best driver. To say that he has had the best cars for all his career would suggest that he was one of (if not) the best drivers at that time. The teams experts that LH drove for must have viewed him as the best, or am I being naively simplistic?

[huncho]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The McLaren was light years faster than the Ferrari in 2007. Kimi was 32 points adrift with 3 races to go. The only reason Kimi won was because Hamilton beached his car in China and other blunders in the home stretch. If you look at the entire history of LH, he's either had the most dominant car or close to it his entire career.

With regard to who could beat him, Alonso for sure, even today, Max, give me Ricciardo and a young Vettel (not Vettel today as he's lost his fire). Let's not forget that this "7 time WC" was beat by Button and Rosberg in the same car, and hardly in the category of Alonso and Vettel. Alonso has done more with less for years including taking Vettel to the last race in 2010 and 2012 in a Ferrari where DiMontezemo said is .5 second per lap faster because it's in Fernando's hands.

Lewis gets his credit for being the best natural talent in F1 history, but hardly the best driver. He doesn't work at his craft and only started putting in the work this year when pushed to do so by Max. Max is closer to a Senna in just about every way including disposition on and off track.

Next year I believe George Russell will give Hamilton all he can handle as Hamilton will finally have a teammate who is on par if not faster since 2007.

i can definitely see alonso challenging him because he's one of the best drivers ever but not sure about vettel. i still don't know how rosberg pulled it off but i remember lewis having a lot of car trouble that season

bit weird to say he doesn't work on his craft though. is that based on what's seen on his social media or? because otherwise there's no evidence of that with his accomplishments. i'd rather see someone doing everything outside of their sport and letting their performance speak for themselves than seeing someone post nothing but gym workouts and not winning anything. what else does he need to prove at this point? if he wins this year then nothing imo. next month he's 37 and if a 24 year old max is still losing to him in an equal/better car then nothing else needs to be said. not to mention winning every year isn't exactly easy mentally because you have to be locked in all year. rosberg nearly had a mental breakdown doing that for one year

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I would imagine that those teams who have the most dominant car would also have experts and the money to enable them to get the best driver. To say that he has had the best cars for all his career would suggest that he was one of (if not) the best drivers at that time. The teams experts that LH drove for must have viewed him as the best, or am I being naively simplistic?

You're quite right as typically, the best drivers find the best cars, but certainly the opposite is true as well. To me, in the same car, Alonso is in a world apart from anyone on the grid including Max, but Alonso's off track moves defied logic. How did he end up going from one bad team to the next? The same is true of getting lucky with the right team. Certainly Lewis had nothing to do with the development of the McLaren when he was a rookie nor when he jumped into the Merc at the start of the hybrid era.

Originally Posted by huncho

i can definitely see alonso challenging him because he's one of the best drivers ever but not sure about vettel. i still don't know how rosberg pulled it off but i remember lewis having a lot of car trouble that season

bit weird to say he doesn't work on his craft though. is that based on what's seen on his social media or? because otherwise there's no evidence of that with his accomplishments. i'd rather see someone doing everything outside of their sport and letting their performance speak for themselves than seeing someone post nothing but gym workouts and not winning anything. what else does he need to prove at this point? if he wins this year then nothing imo. next month he's 37 and if a 24 year old max is still losing to him in an equal/better car then nothing else needs to be said. not to mention winning every year isn't exactly easy mentally because you have to be locked in all year. rosberg nearly had a mental breakdown doing that for one year

Lewis is on record as saying as much. Look it up as he said it repeatedly at the beginning of this year as he doesn't test, he doesn't get in the simulator, he doesn't have to do much but this year was different. Max is no Bottas and as such, he's had to train harder, get in the SIM and not go to the British Fashion Show and other fashion related events because he's had to concentrate on his craft. No one is saying a young rich guy can't have fun, but when your car has been 1 second or more per lap faster than everyone else's car and your teammate is a tomato can, a person with the "Most natural talent in F1 history" doesn't need to do much. BTW, the quote is from many F1, McLaren and Merc insiders who have said as much in interviews. Lewis has an uncanny natural talent and when paired with the fastest car in the history of F1, it give us these multiple WC.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

You're quite right as typically, the best drivers find the best cars, but certainly the opposite is true as well. To me, in the same car, Alonso is in a world apart from anyone on the grid including Max, but Alonso's off track moves defied logic. How did he end up going from one bad team to the next? The same is true of getting lucky with the right team. Certainly Lewis had nothing to do with the development of the McLaren when he was a rookie nor when he jumped into the Merc at the start of the hybrid era.



Lewis is on record as saying as much. Look it up as he said it repeatedly at the beginning of this year as he doesn't test, he doesn't get in the simulator, he doesn't have to do much but this year was different. Max is no Bottas and as such, he's had to train harder, get in the SIM and not go to the British Fashion Show and other fashion related events because he's had to concentrate on his craft. No one is saying a young rich guy can't have fun, but when your car has been 1 second or more per lap faster than everyone else's car and your teammate is a tomato can, a person with the "Most natural talent in F1 history" doesn't need to do much. BTW, the quote is from many F1, McLaren and Merc insiders who have said as much in interviews. Lewis has an uncanny natural talent and when paired with the fastest car in the history of F1, it give us these multiple WC.

ah true, i missed that. i can see that now but wonder how long he's been doing that. after all, he's basically 37. most drivers at that point of their life are either pretty washed or moving on to family lives and less of the grind

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by jatco

Shouldn't that be 8:44...?!?

Great catch! Will repost new pic on Sunday after the race

[jatco]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Great catch! Will repost new pic on Sunday after the race

..hopefully

[77T]

Anyone see Horner’s live comment to Karun Chandhok during FP3?

Said, “Karun, I wonder what car you’ve been driving recently to cause you to take out all the turns Mercedes’ didn’t like?” Chandhok laughed but he had been in consult with Promoters for a long time before this season’s drama.

More about the design changes that will debut this weekend. https://amp.formula1.com/en/latest/a...5yPUInsek.html


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