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[strettyend]

If they wanted to let them race why not red flag it?

[Brny11]

Best driver this year won the championship. The best driver today was robbed of a single race victory, irrespective of that race’s implications.

Tough GP to stomach as a new fan, but great season overall.

[2001jesper]

Here we go.

The ugly aftermath! Hopefully they will just let the result stand


Protest by Mercedes-AMG Petronas F1 Team against the classification established at the end of the Competition, alleged breach of Article 48.12 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

Protest by Mercedes-AMG PETRONAS Formula One Team against Car 33, alleged breach of Article 48.8 of the 2021 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by 2001jesper

Here we go.

[Token74]

Really torn on this. I wanted Lewis to win so have to be careful not to be led by my obvious bias.

On the one hand, sport is for the fans and the decision made at the end led to a spectacularly exciting finish, and that is what it should probably be all about.

And based on this, the result should stand and Max should be congratulated.

But…

This is professional elite level sport with many millions at stake (including pointer being of course!). As such, the laws/rules/regulations (never know which to use for each sport) of the game must be followed.

And today, it would appear, the rules were not followed.

This shouldn’t be confused with a judgement call (which will always be subjective snd full of bias from a team/fan perspective) like turn six on lap one. The end of the race today was down to rules not being followed. So far as I can tell, a red flag would have been allowed under the rules. It could have been decided that all lapped can unlap themselves. Or it could have been decided that all lapped cars do not unlap themselves. But the issue is that some cars were allowed and some not. That seems wrong and against the regs.

This could all be nonsense and i would love for those more educated than me to correct anything I’ve written, as I’m keen to learn. As things stand, it feels like the rule book has been thrown away in the interests of an exciting finish, and whilst that’s a great sentiment, it’s not right.


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[AshAP]

I’m with Vince!!


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[texasmade]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...table/6878054/

George already towing the company line! Toto told him what’s up.

[daveathall]

I think it was a really bad call, I think that the agency that set the rules, broke them. However;

Neither driver was at fault here.

It's done and dusted now and the result should stand. Well done Max and RBR, we now have an F1 competition, rather than the procession of previous years. I was glued to my seat from start to finish.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I think it was a really bad call, I think that the agency that set the rules, broke them. However;

Neither driver was at fault here.

It's done and dusted now and the result should stand. Well done Max and RBR, we now have an F1 competition, rather than the procession of previous years. I was glued to my seat from start to finish.

Agreed here. Not the drivers fault. This is an abomination by F1. They will hopefully completely revamp the stewards, rulings and leadership. Maybe bring in Vince McMahon since this season was as about as good as a season of pro "wrestling". About as fixed as it could be. They built is and fixed the season to end on a great note but instead at the goal line dropped the ball. What a joke.

[denmanproject]

Latifi for driver of the day lol

Epic race, I honestly thought they would finish the race under safety car, that last lap was the greatest thing I have watched in a LONG time

Perez deserves a raise but why did they retire his car??

Nice podium for Carlos

[Mifune]

NEXT YEAR, let us see if a Short wheel base Mercedes can compete with the Red Bull... which was already in a short wheel base specification.

I think it probably can not.

[sokoloka]

Congratulations for Max! Wasn't just down to the final race of the season - of course it had to come down to the final lap lol.

Any word on why they had Checo retire his car with ~4 laps to go?

[jatco]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Haven't watched the race yet, but getting all the news etal from here and elsewhere..
But I think Kimi here sums it up....
(I think he's glad to be out of it now....)

[Dr.Brian]

What a finish! Amazing.
I can’t say I agree with the decisions made from the first lap to the last, but they tried to “let them race”.
Perhaps they need to clarify any ambiguity in the rules and maybe this is will cost Michael Masi his job as well.
Mercedes made their strategy decisions and RB did the same. I can’t see them overturning the title. And, let’s be honest, Mercedes still gets the constructors championship and the winning money anyway. That’s what they want.
Amazing win for Max and a great way for Honda to leave the sport. The racing gods definitely winked at Red Bull today.
And a nice almost overlooked podium for Carlos!

[2001jesper]

Originally Posted by daveathall

I think it was a really bad call, I think that the agency that set the rules, broke them. However;

Neither driver was at fault here.

Maybe - But one of them was penalised and lost the championship, the other won it as a consequence. Its a bad situation regardless, but a championship for the storybooks

Nevertheless, first protest dismissed:

"Having considered the various statements made by the parties. The Stewards determine that although Car 33 did at one stage, for a very short period of time, move slightly in front of Car 44, at a time when both cars where accelerating and braking, it moved back behind Car 44 and it was not in front when the Safety Car period ended (i.e. at the line).

Accordingly, the Protest is dismissed and the Protest Deposit is not refunded."

I wonder how much the deposit is

Edit: And the second protest as well.

Congrats to Max

[Speedbird-1]

FIA couldn't change the result....

...essentially, because some fool had already let all the fireworks off.

What a farce.
We run this sport under the most stringent and exacting application of a set of documented rules......that is, until our Race Director decides to conjure a new rule during the final lap, of the final race of the world championship!

Verstappen's Kamikaze style of driving, will probably continue, until a driver is seriously injured or worse.
Then, all the, wise after the event pundits will come out of the woodwork, wring their hands and say he should have been censured earlier.
Max knows that, but for the safety car incident, the race was Lewis'. I don't suppose for one minute that his youthful arrogance will allow him to reflect on a slightly hollow victory.
I do miss Charlie Whiting, God bless him.

Lewis and his family behaved impeccably post race.

[AshAP]

I’m ok with Verstappen winning this way even though I can’t stand him. It’s good for the sport that he won and at the same time anyone could see that he was totally outclassed by Hamilton who did nothing wrong.


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[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I’m ok with Verstappen winning this way even though I can’t stand him. It’s good for the sport that he won and at the same time anyone could see that he was totally outclassed by Hamilton who did nothing wrong.

A classic story of Good versus Evil.

[Dr.Brian]

I can’t imagine what a disaster it would have been if the race got overturned after the fact in the stewards room. It would have put a really negative end to the best season in many years. This will probably be good for ratings for next season too. Close racing, new equipment changes, controversial decision, V vs H II !

[huncho]

Originally Posted by AshAP

I’m ok with Verstappen winning this way even though I can’t stand him. It’s good for the sport that he won and at the same time anyone could see that he was totally outclassed by Hamilton who did nothing wrong.


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yup but history only cares about records, there are no asterisks sadly. it will just show that hamilton lost and not why or how he lost

wouldn't even mind the result but it just means max will continue driving like he does until inevitably something bad happens. it is what it is though, next year should be interesting but the FIA needs to be fixed after the complete shit show of this season

[AshAP]

Yes I can’t see Masi keeping his current position.


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Yes I can’t see Masi keeping his current position.


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hopefully right but i'm not too optimistic. it's been a very poorly run sport lately though and the fact that no manufacturers are begging to get into f1 says it all. i read a comment saying mercedes should threaten to leave f1 and while that will never happen i would love to see them play that card lol

[enjoythemusic]

Ya know, think I understand why F1 gave it to Max.

Look, HAM already has seven so he's good. Yet VER really needed it. Think of it like seeing your ex-girlfriend you broke up as good friends about six month ago. You're (VER) is all down and out and then runs into his ex. She feels bad for VER and gives him a nice pity f.... Ya know, VER deserves a pity... this we can all agree. HAM has plenty of time for more.

Also congrats to Honda engines, nice way to go out!

[drjrhc]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Ya know, think I understand why F1 gave it to Max.

Look, HAM already has seven so he's good. Yet VER really needed it. Think of it like seeing your ex-girlfriend you broke up as good friends about six month ago. You're (VER) is all down and out and then runs into his ex. She feels bad for VER and gives him a nice pity f.... Ya know, VER deserves a pity... this we can all agree. HAM has plenty of time for more.

Also congrats to Honda engines, nice way to go out!

Think it is hilarious everyone would have rather seen the championship decided under the safety car than racing.

Max out drove pretty much everyone else this season, except on the last few races.

Soooooo many Verstappen haters. Lol.


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[Wes911]

Originally Posted by huncho

yup but history only cares about records, there are no asterisks sadly. it will just show that hamilton lost and not why or how he lost

wouldn't even mind the result but it just means max will continue driving like he does until inevitably something bad happens. it is what it is though, next year should be interesting but the FIA needs to be fixed after the complete shit show of this season

Pointing to a single event in a season with too many critical events to count and implying Max won but with an asterisk is an incorrect thought pattern in my opinion. The championship is the sum of all the events throughout the entire year not just the last lap on the last race. I think many things went in Max's favor this year and many went with Hamilton. At the end Max is a worthy world champion as would have Lewis been.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Wes911

Pointing to a single event in a season with too many critical events to count and implying Max won but with an asterisk is an incorrect thought pattern in my opinion. The championship is the sum of all the events throughout the entire year not just the last lap on the last race. I think many things went in Max's favor this year and many went with Hamilton. At the end Max is a worthy world champion as would have Lewis been.

my point was just directed at the post saying even though max won everyone knew lewis outclassed him. i just meant that's not actually the case and when people look back at it in 10 years they'll just see who won and who lost. whether or not i think the result should have an asterisk i'm not sure yet though, just an unfortunate end to a competitive season

[Uggi]

Originally Posted by drjrhc

Soooooo many Verstappen haters. Lol.

With good reason.
Soooooo many people can’t be wrong.

[drjrhc]

Originally Posted by Uggi

With good reason.
Soooooo many people can’t be wrong.

Uh huh….


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[jatco]

I haven't seen the race yet..tho I got all the 'news' that's fit to print'..
When I do watch it..I may have more to say....
In a way..I'm kinda glad that Schumacher's record still stands with Hamilton as his match for 7 WDC's.
Now on to a new era of F1..and new records to challenge. IMO...

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by drjrhc

Soooooo many Verstappen haters. Lol.

I'm reeeeally glad Max won. Back in the day we got tired of Michael Schumacher winning all the time.

Frankly, all F1 drivers should get it after 8 years in the circus.

Max earned it for sure, no matter if he won it or not.