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Rasputin97 · 11 January 2022, 04:12 PM

Hi all,

I just picked up this GMT Pepsi 16710 last month and the AD told me it was manufactured in 1995. Serial begins with "T" which leads me to believe it was made in 1996. I also read that Rolex began using luminova in 1997-1998. I think mine has luminova since it doesn't say T<25 on the dial.

Does determining date of production have that much variance?

Tools · 12 January 2022, 04:41 AM

There is nothing written in stone when it comes to dating guesses for Rolex production.

It is generally agreed that T serials were first seen in the market place in 1996, so an argument could be made that they were actually manufactured in '95 in order to get there. But, again, nobody has truly scoured the world to know exactly when T's were first seen - charts are guesses.

However, a Swiss Made dial on a T serial would likely indicate that the dial was changed during its lifetime, not uncommon at all for 30 year old watches.

KevWatch · 17 January 2022, 12:35 PM

Mine is a T serial as well. Has the t<25 tritium dial which makes me believe it’s never been serviced.

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Stan Cooper · 20 January 2022, 05:23 AM

GMT-Master II Ref. 16710 History

Indexes:
Tritium (until 1997): T<25 dial
Luminova (1998/99): Swiss dial
Superluminova (2000-2007): Swiss made dial

Variant: Luminova on a T<25 dial (1998)

PhilippeD · 3 February 2022, 09:25 PM

You probably have a '95 or '96 (based on the serial) with a service dial. I suspect the bezel insert was also replaced during the service.

padi56 · 5 February 2022, 09:00 PM

T serials ran form 1995 well into 1996 possibly longer as many serials overlap a year or so, and serials indicate when the case was stamped which is not always when it was made.

jbglx · 13 March 2022, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KevWatch

Mine is a T serial as well. Has the t<25 tritium dial which makes me believe it’s never been serviced.

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Mine is an "N" (nov. 1991) tritium dial , just picked up from RSC , and didn´t change the dial . I guess that not all the RSC has the same approach about the tritium dials .

watchmaker · 24 March 2022, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbglx

Mine is an "N" (nov. 1991) tritium dial , just picked up from RSC , and didn´t change the dial . I guess that not all the RSC has the same approach about the tritium dials .

Dials are never changed without your prior approval because you would be paying for the new one.

You don't collect your watch from service and hope that it wasn't swapped.

12 January 2022, 04:41 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,490	There is nothing written in stone when it comes to dating guesses for Rolex production. It is generally agreed that T serials were first seen in the market place in 1996, so an argument could be made that they were actually manufactured in '95 in order to get there. But, again, nobody has truly scoured the world to know exactly when T's were first seen - charts are guesses. However, a Swiss Made dial on a T serial would likely indicate that the dial was changed during its lifetime, not uncommon at all for 30 year old watches. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

20 January 2022, 05:23 AM	#4
Stan Cooper 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Real Name: Stan Cooper Location: Sonoma County, CA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 2,875	GMT-Master II Ref. 16710 History Indexes: Tritium (until 1997): T<25 dial Luminova (1998/99): Swiss dial Superluminova (2000-2007): Swiss made dial Variant: Luminova on a T<25 dial (1998) __________________ ♛16710 GMT-Master II, ♛1915 Rolex WW1 Trench Watch, Zelos Thresher 500m GMT Meteorite, Zelos Swordfish 40 200m Ti Blood Moon Meteorite, Hamilton Pilot Chronograph, Ball Roadmaster Pilot GMT COSC Chronometer, Zelos Mako 300M Traveler GMT Meteorite, Seiko SSC813 quartz solar powered chronograph It's weird being the same age as old people. - Stan

5 February 2022, 09:00 PM	#6
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,024	T serials ran form 1995 well into 1996 possibly longer as many serials overlap a year or so, and serials indicate when the case was stamped which is not always when it was made. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

17 January 2022, 12:35 PM	#3
KevWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: New York City Watch: 16710 and 126621 Posts: 126	Mine is a T serial as well. Has the t<25 tritium dial which makes me believe it’s never been serviced. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

3 February 2022, 09:25 PM	#5
PhilippeD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2021 Real Name: Philippe Location: Netherlands Posts: 388	You probably have a '95 or '96 (based on the serial) with a service dial. I suspect the bezel insert was also replaced during the service.

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