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sullycape · 3 March 2011, 09:08 AM

This one looks a bit fishy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...item1c1986d269

mickyvee · 3 March 2011, 09:22 AM

Cyclops magnification is all wrong.

MonBK · 3 March 2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mickyvee

Cyclops magnification is all wrong.

Looks more like a camera angle to me?

MikeyMouseWatch · 3 March 2011, 09:26 AM

Well, maybe it's just me, but when the starting bid is 99 cents, isn't that a big tip off about something?

MonBK · 3 March 2011, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeyMouseWatch

Well, maybe it's just me, but when the starting bid is 99 cents, isn't that a big tip off about something?

Not if you have somebody helping you bidding it up.

springer · 3 March 2011, 11:07 AM

The watch appears genuine. The date window and date font is correct for this circa Submariner.

Nanny · 3 March 2011, 11:23 AM

Agreed. Nothing jumped out at me.

coddger · 3 March 2011, 02:51 PM

Bid is at $3050...no item details mentioned. Makes me wonder how much I can sell mine...

Rolex116520 · 3 March 2011, 04:57 PM

Seller is not going to win any awards for his photographic skills but the watch seems genuine to me .

tfarchio · 4 March 2011, 12:09 AM

Looks good to me as well.

onryo · 4 March 2011, 08:53 AM

Nothing appears to be amiss with it, but the seller isn't doing himself any favors with that listing. I once got a steal on a Campagnolo Record groupo due to a seller with a poor listing on eBay. Looks like a few folks are playing that card on this listing.

mcjp6 · 4 March 2011, 09:54 AM

I am just surprised no one bidding has asked what reference number it is, everyone must be assuming its a 16610 I guess.

globalmedia33 · 4 March 2011, 10:13 AM

looks good to me.

sullycape · 4 March 2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

I am just surprised no one bidding has asked what reference number it is, everyone must be assuming its a 16610 I guess.

I asked the seller a bunch of questions including model number, serial number, if they had any of the papers, (they have a box) and why they are selling it, so far no reply.

As for whether its real or fake, all the information out there says that the #1 way to tell a fake is to look at the date in the cyclops, it should be 2 1/2 times magnification. Clearly this watch on Ebay is not 2 1/2 times magnification, so either Rolex sold a broken watch or its a fake.

My guess is that it is a watch from a site like the one listed below that sells a "box set" for $500
http://www.watchez.com/Rolex-Swiss-E...ches-3365.html

grahame · 4 March 2011, 06:30 PM

Intrigued by this one. What did you guys conclude if anything. Looks pretty good to me but the magnification is suspect and I don't like the look of the number 4 on the bezel.

But I bow to all the superior knowledge on this forum here!

Grahame.

mcjp6 · 4 March 2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by grahame

What did you guys conclude if anything.

I am with John, the listing appears good.....

Be it a 16800/168000 or 16610.

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Originally Posted by springer

The watch appears genuine. The date window and date font is correct for this circa Submariner.

springer · 4 March 2011, 09:21 PM

I looked at the photos again this morning and there is a possibility that the crystal is after-market. It is hard to tell from the photos to make a positive ID on the crystal - at least for me. An aftermarket crystal does not make the watch counterfeit though. I don't see anything else that looks suspect to call the watch a "fake." The box and pillow are also genuine.

Rolex116520 · 4 March 2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by springer

I looked at the photos again this morning and there is a possibility that the crystal is after-market. ...

Would you say that because the shape of the cyclops ?

onryo · 5 March 2011, 05:15 AM

The shape of the cyclops is fine, but the magnification looks closer to 1.5-2x rather than a full 2.5x. If it is in fact an aftermarket crystal, it would be nice if the seller would mention that in the ad.

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Originally Posted by Rolex116520

Would you say that because the shape of the cyclops ?

RO CRAIG LEX · 5 March 2011, 05:43 AM

if you pay with paypal you are coverd if its a fake,you can hold the money with paypal until you are happy and then release payment,thats what i did when i bought my DJ,WATCH CAME NEXT DAY, HAD CHECKED OVER ALL WAS FINE THEN I RELEASED THE FUNDS

3 March 2011, 11:07 AM	#6
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,307	The watch appears genuine. The date window and date font is correct for this circa Submariner. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

3 March 2011, 02:51 PM	#8
coddger "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Only Mom Knows Location: Land Of The Free Watch: 116520,16610,16013 Posts: 1,573	Bid is at $3050...no item details mentioned. Makes me wonder how much I can sell mine... __________________ Contentment Is Not The Fulfillment Of Getting All The Watches You Want, It Is The Realization Of How Many Rolexes You Already Have.

4 March 2011, 10:13 AM	#13
globalmedia33 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Thien Location: Frisco,TX/Saigon Watch: All Rolex Posts: 2,754	looks good to me. __________________ Sub. 5513 116710LN 116610LV “I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

4 March 2011, 06:30 PM	#15
grahame Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Grahame Location: Bangkok, Thailand Watch: DSSD Posts: 29	So what is the conclusion Intrigued by this one. What did you guys conclude if anything. Looks pretty good to me but the magnification is suspect and I don't like the look of the number 4 on the bezel. But I bow to all the superior knowledge on this forum here! Grahame.

4 March 2011, 09:21 PM	#17
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,307	I looked at the photos again this morning and there is a possibility that the crystal is after-market. It is hard to tell from the photos to make a positive ID on the crystal - at least for me. An aftermarket crystal does not make the watch counterfeit though. I don't see anything else that looks suspect to call the watch a "fake." The box and pillow are also genuine. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

3 March 2011, 09:08 AM	#1
sullycape Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Brian Location: Bass River Watch: OYSTER DATE Posts: 32	Submariner? This one looks a bit fishy... http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...item1c1986d269

3 March 2011, 09:22 AM	#2
mickyvee Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: mick vigano Location: UK Watch: SS Sub 16610 Posts: 263	Cyclops magnification is all wrong.

3 March 2011, 09:26 AM	#4
MikeyMouseWatch Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Laboratory Posts: 114	Well, maybe it's just me, but when the starting bid is 99 cents, isn't that a big tip off about something?

3 March 2011, 11:23 AM	#7
Nanny Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: US Watch: out for pot holes Posts: 82	Agreed. Nothing jumped out at me.

3 March 2011, 04:57 PM	#9
Rolex116520 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: EEC Watch: Daytona & Deepsea Posts: 2,387	Seller is not going to win any awards for his photographic skills but the watch seems genuine to me .

4 March 2011, 12:09 AM	#10
tfarchio "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Todd Location: Boston Watch: Explorer I Posts: 144	Looks good to me as well.

4 March 2011, 08:53 AM	#11
onryo Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Seattle Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 410	Nothing appears to be amiss with it, but the seller isn't doing himself any favors with that listing. I once got a steal on a Campagnolo Record groupo due to a seller with a poor listing on eBay. Looks like a few folks are playing that card on this listing.

4 March 2011, 09:54 AM	#12
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	I am just surprised no one bidding has asked what reference number it is, everyone must be assuming its a 16610 I guess.

5 March 2011, 05:43 AM	#20
RO CRAIG LEX "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: worcester uk Posts: 3	if you pay with paypal you are coverd if its a fake,you can hold the money with paypal until you are happy and then release payment,thats what i did when i bought my DJ,WATCH CAME NEXT DAY, HAD CHECKED OVER ALL WAS FINE THEN I RELEASED THE FUNDS

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