regarding clasps....new vs old

[subtona]

would like to tabulate issues (or the lack of), regarding Submariner clasps.

specifically:

116610 glidelock clasp

vs

16610 clasp (93250 bracelet) SEL's/improved dive extension

if you had an issue click & share it here.
i don't expect many issues on either side but looking to see the difference.

[tomchicago]

this is a good poll

[Clay]

Can't speak to the newer clasps, but have worn a 93150 bracelet for almost 30 years...Perfect...!!!No issues what so ever!!!

[dsio]

When I bought my sub, the problem with the 93150 bracelet was that it didn't exist, because it had fallen to bits back in the 80s, as had the replacement. Bracelet No.3 is going strong now, $700+ later.

[MoBe]

No problem with the 93250 on my 16610.

[STEELINOX]

who the heck voted for the 93250 AND why ? ?

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

who the heck voted for the 93250 AND why ? ?

I would have voted 93150 if there was an option

[esm]

no issues on both clasps.
the glidelock is longer, but it is easier to adjust.
the 16610 clasp is shorter, and therefore can be more comfortable for most people (lighter also)

[dooder202]

I never had the older style clasp because my first Rolex was a sub-c with the glidelock. I personally have not had any problems with it whatsoever. Ocassionally on adjusting the glidelock, I have to fins the 'correct' snap in location otherwise I have to fiddle with it to 'snap' into place when I'm using the Glidelock.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by dsio

I would have voted 93150 if there was an option

yes, yes, but why Ashley ??

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

yes, yes, but why Ashley ??

Because the last two fell to bits and ended up in the trash. Three bracelets in 30 years is actually a lot especially when they're charging 15X cost price for them.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by dsio

Because the last two fell to bits and ended up in the trash. Three bracelets in 30 years is actually a lot especially when they're charging 15X cost price for them.

Alright, finally, an answer...

But, who voted, "93250"

[edit> "Doh, dsio, that was you!]

Somethin smells though, you say three bracelets in 30 years; how are you literrally destroying clasps every 10 years?
Are you wearin them tightly? How are you wearing these bracelets? Can you snap a picture of a wrist shot of the ROLEX you wear now...

[STEELINOX]

ttt

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Alright, finally, an answer...

But, who voted, "93250"

[edit> "Doh, dsio, that was you!]

Somethin smells though, you say three bracelets in 30 years; how are you literrally destroying clasps every 10 years?
Are you wearin them tightly? How are you wearing these bracelets? Can you snap a picture of a wrist shot of the ROLEX you wear now...

I wasn't alive when the first one died, the second was in bits when I bought the watch, and I bought the third, and no it wasn't me, there was no 93150 option.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by dsio

I wasn't alive when the first one died, the second was in bits when I bought the watch, and I bought the third, and no it wasn't me, there was no 93150 option.

Pls snap me a picture of how your wearin that pup...

Here's mine, I can barely slide an index in there...

[AlbyCrowned]

No problems with the clasps, but the new ones are much much much much much much better!!!
The older ones are embarrassing..

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by AlbyCrowned

No problems with the clasps, but the new ones are much much much much much much better!!!
The older ones are embarassing..

[esm]

Originally Posted by AlbyCrowned

No problems with the clasps, but the new ones are much much much much much much better!!!
The older ones are embarrassing..

embarrassing in what way?

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Pls snap me a picture of how your wearin that pup...

Here's mine, I can barely slide an index in there...

I've never worn one out, I'm aware of how they stretch and what causes it and take steps to prevent it such as wearing it snug and cleaning it weekly, previous owner was a soldier that did neither AFAIK.

[STEELINOX]

So Ashley, you're not happy owning one because of price and its "wear" characteristics...

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

So Ashley, you're not happy owning one because of price and its "wear" characteristics...

I love the watch, I accept the bracelet, I guess that's the best way to say it. Its a $50 bracelet tops that costs $700+, its robbery really but thats what you pay for having a crown on it. Having to wear a bracelet a certain way and wash it weekly doesn't fit the sub's low maintenance rugged image, hopefully the new one does last forever, I just have some reservations about the long term reliability of the glide-lock mechanism, particularly in 18k gold versions.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by dsio

I love the watch, I accept the bracelet, I guess that's the best way to say it. Its a $50 bracelet tops that costs $700+, its robbery really but thats what you pay for having a crown on it. Having to wear a bracelet a certain way and wash it weekly doesn't fit the sub's low maintenance rugged image, hopefully the new one does last forever, I just have some reservations about the long term reliability of the glide-lock mechanism, particularly in 18k gold versions.

Just to be fair, there's prolly 50 bucks in materials and such in the newer clasp system too, and it costs nearly $2G's !

These new clasps have owners deploying them and diggin out sand and whatnot from the mechanism, from a day at the beach, you can bet on that.

Is it higher maintenance, the new vs old, meh, apples and oranges.

But to say its "robbery" is the estimation of the person "paying" out those funds !

And I agree to a point; the little stamped crown says you bought into it and drank the cool aid though

[dsio]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

Just to be fair, there's prolly 50 bucks in materials and such in the newer clasp system too, and it costs nearly $2G's !

These new clasps have owners deploying them and diggin out sand and whatnot from the mechanism, from a day at the beach, you can bet on that.

Is it higher maintenance, the new vs old, meh, apples and oranges.

But to say its "robbery" is the estimation of the person "paying" out those funds !

And I agree to a point; the little stamped crown says you bought into it and drank the cool aid though

Well see I bought one of the better quality aftermarket bracelets for $50 delivered until I could find a real 93150, and I was expecting the aftermarket to be rather ordinary, but its perfect, 100% as good as the 93150, just with no crown (key difference, legal aftermarket bracelets have no Rolex markings). The material of both was 316L steel and the finishing was equal in all respects. I finished it off with a 93150 because after spending $1700 rebuilding the sub from a complete wreck, it was silly to gripe over the last $700 to get it perfect.

[lyktestolpe]

It's kind of hard to compare a clasp with one that only have been around for two years.

I believe Rolex have tested the new one pretty hard to be sure it's the same quality as the old one, even it's a more complex clasp.

[AlbyCrowned]

Originally Posted by esm

embarrassing in what way?

Do you think the old clasps are cool? I don't think so!
The quality is much higher in the new ones! And they're cool!

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by AlbyCrowned

Do you think the old clasps are cool? I don't think so!
The quality is much higher in the new ones! And they're cool!

cool AND embarrassing - okay, got it

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by AlbyCrowned

Do you think the old clasps are cool? I don't think so!
The quality is much higher in the new ones! And they're cool!

Cool is not my concern. Time tested durability is. Sounds like you have different priorities. Different strokes. Nothing wrong with that.
dP

[subtona]

arghhhhhhh
i blundered the poll!

it can't be seen without choosing a problem and since problems are rare with both clasps... this stinks

i excluded the 93150 because i wanted the best of the old vs the new...
my 93150 had no malfunctions in 20 years of hard service, it did have 2 weak spots in my opinion that were addressed:
1)the dive extension would occasionally pop open when jarred
2)the hollow endlinks after 20 years began to wear my lugs from the inside.... i will follow up with pics of this.

that said the older 93150 clasp functioned like the day it was new for its life... at 20 years the bracelet was taken out of service due to stretch, the clasp remained the strongest piece. i wore this 24/7 for the full 20 years...

i am going to cast 1 vote for the 93250 the malfunction will be for MY mistake, as i can't see my own poll :ro fl:

i will also follow up with poll results in my post. old =3 / new = 0

[AlbyCrowned]

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

cool AND embarrassing - okay, got it

Sorry if I'm not using kind words in describing the clasp of your watch..

Don't let it get to you!

[AlbyCrowned]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Cool is not my concern. Time tested durability is. Sounds like you have different priorities. Different strokes. Nothing wrong with that.
dP

I think the old clasps were appropriate to the vintage models, but the new ones needed a new design!