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10 April 2012, 07:12 AM | #1 |
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SubC without Blue Parachrome hair spring
My sub was running 10 seconds fast per day so I brought it in for regulation. My AD, who has a Rolex certified watchmaker, said it was magnetized. When I questioned why since the blue parachrome resists magnetization they said my watch didn't have the new hairspring.
According to the booklet that came with my watch the 3135 movement of the sub date ceramic has a blue parachrome. I called the Rolex service center in NYC to verify but they said that they'd have to open the watch to confirm and couldn't answer if it should or should not have the Blue Parachrome. Can it be true that not all the SubCs have it? Mine is a G serial 116610 steel sub. If, in fact, my watch doesn't have it then I feel cheated.
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Let me know what you find out. I have a "G" serial Subc as well...
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Usually a magnetized watch runs much faster than 10 secs/day.
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Your Sub C does likely have a Parachrom hairspring.. It is very unlikely that yours would have slipped through without one when they have advertised from the beginning that the Ceramic models are so equipped.. You should not fall into the trap of believing a statement given to satisfy a customers answer..
However, you are also confusing a watch being magnetized with the non-magnetic properties of this single part. There are many other parts within your watch, most notably the steel escapement parts, that can, and do, become magnetized from time to time... Any magnetization of these parts and they can keep the balance from swinging through a complete arc, speeding the amplitude slightly. The magical attributes given to the parachrom hairspring are marketing tools. The FAR Nivarox hairspring used before by Rolex was just as non-magnetic and accurate..
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Sounds like it's not magnetised at all. More like an overdue service (Oil dries out - watch starts running fast)
As others have said, if magnetised it would be running minutes out per day...Consult another watch technician. |
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RSC in NYC are clueless. Always has been, always will be, at least the people you talk to on the phone.
All SubC's should come with the updated 3135 movement which has the blue parachrome hairspring. I'm sure your unit has a blue hairspring too, and that your local AD was mistaken. Did you talk to the AD person or the Master Watch Maker directly? |
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Overdue service? Dried out oil? Better not be the case - it's a "G" Sub-C.
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I'm starting to think the watchmaker made up a "BS" diagnosis to charge me the shocking fee of $45.00 to demagnetize the watch. Maybe they're upset I bought the watch elsewhere and gave it to them for service. That shouldn't be the case, though, because I bought a Milgauss and a Breitling Navitimer 01 LE from them. As far as my watch being in the need of service, I'd be shocked if it did. The watch was purchased new in November of 2011 and as far as I can tell the Ceramic Submariners aren't sitting in the display cases for too long. I called the AD back to ask if the watch maker was certain about his finding since the manual clearly stated the watch has the blue parachrome. They said to bring it back to be re-examined. But I don't want them tinkering with it anymore.
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it should be covered under warranty and they are giving you some BS (at least that it what it sounds like from here). Call RSC NYC and explain your problem. Perhaps you can make an appointment if you are ever close to/in NYC, otherwise you'll have to send them your watch for warranty service. |
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Maybe the watch maker is colorblind?
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As stated, magnetism is unlikely the culprit--the gain would be much much greater than 10 seconds gain per 24 hours. Its also unlikely in the extreme an overhaul would be required as your watch is of recent manufacture and should be good to go for at least another 5-6 years if not 7-10 on the longer side.
Sounds like it just needs a little "regulation love" from a decent watchmaker. The cost of a simple regulation plus pressure test of the case after resealing should cost you very little and would get your watch performing within the requisite -4 to +6 range per day. Sounds like good watchmakers are in short supply there, unfortunately! (And unfortunately yes...even RSCs can be staffed by boneheaded nincompoops.) Related to that, don't worry about the Parachrom---I'd bet on your watch having it, just as the manual advertises. |
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Call RSC Dallas for warranty work. It is still under warranty right? Tell them it runs out of cosc spec and NOT that you think its magnetized. This way its free to you and covered.
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Sounds like the watchmaker isn't up to speed with the new Rolex models yet.
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When I brought the watch in, the watch maker started making silly excuses about why he couldn't swap the crystals. He mentioned everything from a voided warranty, even though it's an OEM crystal, to NOT having the proper tools for the "NEW" style cases. Finally he said he couldn't do it because he couldn't acquire the proper gaskets. Except for the warranty issue his excuses sound like BS to me. So not only was he unable to swap the crystal he broke the news about the parachrome.
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Just another reason why I don't understand why people will let some 3rd. party "Master Watchmaker" try and service a Rolex instead of just having a certified Rolex Service Center do the job.
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Oh wow that's a scary thought.
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Sounds like a good plan...but...you do you need to take the back off to check the timing or de-magnatise.
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You can see by this clip that the Nivarox is virtually unaffected by magnetic forces. Also appears that not all parachrom's are blue either.
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I would take the watch into the NY RSC and have them regulate it and check it out while you wait. I have taken my watches in to them to be regulated while still under warranty and the process should not take more than 20 minutes.
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Parachrome is a brand name for the Rolex, inhouse spring. It isn't a big deal. It's basically the equivalent of saying "new and improved" when nothing has been done.
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I agree with Padi above, that the diagnosis of magnatisim was just an excuse to charge a service fee. That brings up another question. If the watch is under warranty and needs regulation, does Rolex pay the AD for the covered service or is it something the AD agrees to do free of charge to retain an AD status?
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