Have you ever seen such a white Snowflake dial?

[kooltzar]

An ebay offer in Germany: A Snowflake 9411 fully serviced in 2012 with papers. Upon question whether dial was replaced seller answered that it is the original dial, which I find hard to believe, as I never saw such snow-white index markers and hands.

Has Rolex/Tudor ever provided service dials for a snowflake 9411 sub? If yes and more recently with so white Luminova, why are the markings at 6 o clock still T SWISS T ?

The link:

http://www.ebay.ch/itm/130839830247?...#ht_500wt_1361

[Lgear080]

Fake

[kooltzar]

Now that statement needs reasoning.

[Vincent65]

no - ask for many high-res photos of everything. Too good to be true is usually just that.
Hands look off to me. Replacement insert too. I'd pass.

[kooltzar]

Dear Vincent,

I totally agree with you, but as I said: this watch was just serviced at Rolex half a year ago, so all the replacements could have been done there.

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by kooltzar

Dear Vincent,

I totally agree with you, but as I said: this watch was just serviced at Rolex half a year ago, so all the replacements could have been done there.

Possible . . . ask for it . . . should be on the invoice . . .

HAGOne

[drainaps]

Minute hand does not check. Date disk does not check. Should be silver. "29" on date disk too narrow. Should fill the date Window and be kind of squarish in proportions. Dial looks like a Pelagos dial. Case, crown and bracelet look the part.

It's true that Snowies were far less well taken care of than their Rolex cousins and I'm not used to seeing replacement dials /hands on one of them. I'm frankly not sure about the dial.

I would not take. As Vincent says, if too good to be true it usually is.

[kooltzar]

Thanks so far. Still waiting for tudorman's comment.

[John in MA]

Originally Posted by drainaps

Minute hand does not check. Date disk does not check. Should be silver. "29" on date disk too narrow. Should fill the date Window and be kind of squarish in proportions. Dial looks like a Pelagos dial. Case, crown and bracelet look the part.

It's true that Snowies were far less well taken care of than their Rolex cousins and I'm not used to seeing replacement dials /hands on one of them. I'm frankly not sure about the dial.

I would not take. As Vincent says, if too good to be true it usually is.

Uhhhmmmmmmmmm.......If you're going to make statements such as this, it is helpful to point out why. If it's a fake, it's the best I've ever seen. I disagree and here is why:

with those pics you can't say for certain on the hands. All the hands look correct from a width and length standpoint. Better pics will be needed to be 100% certain. Second hand makes me wonder as it appears to have rounded edges with an original should not.

Date disc? 9411 came with both White and Silver depending on year. Font on the date disc is correct. The two sits slightly closer to the left side of the window which is accurate from my experience. The style and height also look correct.

As for replacement dials, yes they did make replacement service dials. Most say T Swiss Made T on them. They were luminova dials. A bit glossier then the originals and the blue was a darker royal blue as opposed to the blue/gray of the originals.

Please reference this photo of a blue 9411 with service dial. Also take note of the location of the 1 in the date. Sits justified a little closer to the edge of the window then the 9.



This photo of a different 9411 shows what a silver date disc looks like. Also notice the left justification of the 19 in the date window.



Another one with a service dial. Notice the left justification of the 2 in 29.



And finally another one. Again, original blue dial (notice the different color) with a left justified 1 in the date.



As for white lume, here is a 9411 I owned. Original dial and hands. Lume was almost snow white.



All the photos above are of 9411's I have owned over the years.

Based on the photos available, I would say it is 100% real. Could I be wrong? Sure. Nothing is fool proof but I lean towards real.

[kooltzar]

Thanks a lot John.

[John in MA]

No problem. I love discussing Tudor Subs. By far my favorite sub. I've owned quite a few of them over the last 10 years. in the past, I'd always sell, make it a few months and then buy one again. I think I've averaged 1 snowflake a year. Problem is that they are ALOT harder to find with white lume nowadays. Even though I currently own two, if I saw one with snow white lume again, I'd pounce on it in a second and figure out how i was going to pay for it later.

[kooltzar]

So you would go for this one? I for myself I prefer yellowish patina, but this one seems to have all the paperwork in order. My favourite is the 7922 and 7928 Tudor sub. I love the cal. 390 movement.

[John in MA]

I would ask for some better photos, especially of of the hands. I think they are ok but you can never be too sure.

[crowncollection]

can't see the hands properly so i won't comment, but dial is a replacement, The rolex papers will say what is done at service, i would check them and also you would need some better photos than those provided to make the final leap imho.

[John in MA]

Originally Posted by crowncollection

can't see the hands properly so i won't comment, but dial is a replacement, The rolex papers will say what is done at service, i would check them and also you would need some better photos than those provided to make the final leap imho.

I didn't mention it but I agree that it is possible the dial is a service dial.

[RLX-lvr]

All looks good to me.

Dial, hands and insert, are all genuine replacements. Case looks good to be good condition, as the bracelet.

[kooltzar]

Seller claims dial was not replaced at service and the whole watch just hardly used, but as said before the watch comes with both original paperwork and Rolex service papers with valid guarantee. Will ask for the service papers, but I guess if he claims no dial replacement was done then it will not be a position on the papers.