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luffany · 19 September 2013, 11:33 PM

Hi all I have been the subject of a scam. I bought a Tudor Watch 89190 new in box with all papers from a UK Seller and paid £1150 plus £40 insured last Friday and it arrived today through post.

I was so excited opening the box only to find that it was Empty. I phoned the seller straight away and she has promised a full refund I also contacted PayPal and Local Police and I have been assured that I will receive a full refund.

Just to let you all know to be very careful when purchasing.

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pandrew6l · 20 September 2013, 02:46 PM

Please more details - From Who ? From Where ? And How ?

crowncollection · 20 September 2013, 06:08 PM

Terrible details please

Cc1966 · 20 September 2013, 06:12 PM

Was it a TD?

Urosfan · 20 September 2013, 06:28 PM

Sorry to hear it

MonBK · 20 September 2013, 07:24 PM

Details!

padi56 · 20 September 2013, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eirecollectables

Hi all I have been the subject of a scam. I bought a Tudor Watch 89190 new in box with all papers from a UK Seller and paid £1150 plus £40 insured last Friday and it arrived today through post.

I was so excited opening the box only to find that it was Empty. I phoned the seller straight away and she has promised a full refund I also contacted PayPal and Local Police and I have been assured that I will receive a full refund.

Just to let you all know to be very careful when purchasing.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

Not much information to go on who was the UK seller.

dysondiver · 20 September 2013, 08:17 PM

wait and see , maybe a genuine mistake ,,,, no money /watch then its a different story.
ive posted letters and forgotten to put in a cheque and its been a genuine mistake.
i guess the reaction of the seller would speak volumes.

luffany · 20 September 2013, 08:41 PM

I had a nightmare of a day yesterday. I bought the watch through Paypal from a UK Seller after seeing the watch on EBay I contacted her and she asked to complete the transaction outside EBay but through Paypal and because I wanted this particular watch I agreed. She insisted on getting insurance on the watch which was very expensive at £82 sterling.

I paid on the 12 September and waited for her to ship it and send me a track number and so yesterday the package arrived and I was like a kid on Christmas morning opening the box but my heart nearly stopped when I realised the Box was empty. It is a genuine Tudor Box with the instruction book and it also has the Anchor but no watch or papers.

I immediately contacted the seller and she acted surprised but thinking back now she was very calm about it and promised me a refund but I got straight onto Paypal and they froze her account. The rest of my day was spent taking making statements to Police and speaking to Paypal. But at 5pm yesterday evening I eventually got my account credited by PayPal and they will pursue the seller if she has not got enough funds in her account.

Top tip. When accepting an expensive package you should Take photos or better still video the package before you open it so you have proof that it was not you who tampered with it because that's what I done yesterday and it helped me get my refund faster.

The watch was a Tudor Hydronaut 89190 with Black Face. I paid £1165 for it. The sellers first name is Franca. I am not prepared to say any more about the seller at moment.

PS I am now on the look out to buy a Tudor 89190 if anyone is selling :-) :-)

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RolexWatcher · 20 September 2013, 11:36 PM

Top tip. Tell us their ebay account please?

mfnj · 20 September 2013, 11:59 PM

This is terrible. But maybe it is me, but something seems off. In reading enough posts from people that were scammed there is never a reluctance to provide details. If not initially, then in a followup post or posts. If I had spent the day making statements to the police you could be damn sure I would have provided the seller's details. If a refund comes you could always retract. So, once again, please provide details!

samsmart · 21 September 2013, 12:04 AM

Wow

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waQstar · 22 September 2013, 05:29 PM

Wait..... PayPal does not accept videos as evidence, it's in their user agreement

Laszlo · 23 September 2013, 05:31 AM

I'm surprised they didn't freeze your eBay account for purchasing outside of eBay to save on the fees. Never do this.

luffany · 23 September 2013, 06:44 AM

I have learned a lot of lessons from trying to make this purchase happen. I will never know where the watch ended up or if it was ever in the box in the first place. I have received a full refund from Paypal and I am still looking out for a Tudor 89190.

Buyer beware

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1675-David · 23 September 2013, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

Details!

x2

dysondiver · 23 September 2013, 07:14 AM

wonder if it was ever in the box ,,,,

Laszlo · 23 September 2013, 08:20 AM

I've had buyers ask to purchase items from me outside of eBay and I'll never do it, even if it saves some fees. So many slimmy people out there.

Glad you got the refund, lesson learned for sure.

bayerische · 23 September 2013, 06:54 PM

Yeah, don't buy outside of ebay. I'm surprised you got any help from Paypal at all, since this was an Ebay transaction taken off Ebay!

Somehow I expect this story isn't completely done.

scottb2 · 27 September 2013, 07:49 AM

huh this makes no sense - why would paypal care......

Presa canary · 27 September 2013, 07:54 AM

Ya... I'm pretty sure it's a "gift" when buying outside of eBay to avoid fees,paypal doesn't do a thing. Something seems off here

Lgear080 · 27 September 2013, 08:33 AM

^ what?

Wrong. Post eBay username or ban the guy.

Presa canary · 27 September 2013, 08:43 AM

Wrong what?^

Knappo 1307 · 27 September 2013, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Presa canary

Ya... I'm pretty sure it's a "gift" when buying outside of eBay to avoid fees,paypal doesn't do a thing. Something seems off here

Absolutely wrong. You can use paypal outside ebay and choose not to use it as a gift. That's why in the FS section sellers say buyer pays fees. However if you choose to use it as a gift, then your recourse is very limited....

Presa canary · 27 September 2013, 10:49 AM

But if you do choose to send it as a gift to avoid fees, paypal can't do anything... at least I thought.

Presa canary · 27 September 2013, 10:51 AM

But reading again, that's obviously not what happened cause he got his money back.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 27 September 2013, 11:10 AM

This whole thing smells fishy to me!

Welshwatchman · 27 September 2013, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luffany

I had a nightmare of a day yesterday. I bought the watch through Paypal from a UK Seller after seeing the watch on EBay I contacted her and she asked to complete the transaction outside EBay but through Paypal and because I wanted this particular watch I agreed. She insisted on getting insurance on the watch which was very expensive at £82 sterling.

I paid on the 12 September and waited for her to ship it and send me a track number and so yesterday the package arrived and I was like a kid on Christmas morning opening the box but my heart nearly stopped when I realised the Box was empty. It is a genuine Tudor Box with the instruction book and it also has the Anchor but no watch or papers.

I immediately contacted the seller and she acted surprised but thinking back now she was very calm about it and promised me a refund but I got straight onto Paypal and they froze her account. The rest of my day was spent taking making statements to Police and speaking to Paypal. But at 5pm yesterday evening I eventually got my account credited by PayPal and they will pursue the seller if she has not got enough funds in her account.

Top tip. When accepting an expensive package you should Take photos or better still video the package before you open it so you have proof that it was not you who tampered with it because that's what I done yesterday and it helped me get my refund faster.

The watch was a Tudor Hydronaut 89190 with Black Face. I paid £1165 for it. The sellers first name is Franca. I am not prepared to say any more about the seller at moment.

PS I am now on the look out to buy a Tudor 89190 if anyone is selling :-) :-)

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Top tip.

Don't buy from scammers.

HL65 · 27 September 2013, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Top tip.

Don't buy from scammers.

EXACTLY!!

Again can't understand for life of me why people buy from unknown sellers with no solid references and reputation. Makes no sense to me and it is the easiest rule to follow in watch collecting: BUY THE SELLER!

Alcan · 27 September 2013, 09:29 PM

My spider senses are tingling on this one. A new member, won't supply full info about a supposed scammer, 3 posts sofar in this thread he started, and 2 of them looking for someone to sell him a watch.......

19 September 2013, 11:33 PM	#1
luffany "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8	Scammed Hi all I have been the subject of a scam. I bought a Tudor Watch 89190 new in box with all papers from a UK Seller and paid £1150 plus £40 insured last Friday and it arrived today through post. I was so excited opening the box only to find that it was Empty. I phoned the seller straight away and she has promised a full refund I also contacted PayPal and Local Police and I have been assured that I will receive a full refund. Just to let you all know to be very careful when purchasing. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

20 September 2013, 06:08 PM	#3
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,215	Terrible details please __________________ watches many

20 September 2013, 06:12 PM	#4
Cc1966 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Christopher Location: Georgia, USA Watch: ing the Sea... Posts: 6,713	Was it a TD? __________________ "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." Captain John Paul Jones, 16 November 1778 "*Curmudgeons* " Favorites: 1665 SD, Sub Date, DSSD, Exp II, Sub LV, GMTIIc

22 September 2013, 05:29 PM	#13
waQstar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Walter A. Location: Sunny California Watch: 16760 Posts: 2,629	Wait..... PayPal does not accept videos as evidence, it's in their user agreement __________________ Our shadows taller than our soul........

23 September 2013, 06:54 PM	#19
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Yeah, don't buy outside of ebay. I'm surprised you got any help from Paypal at all, since this was an Ebay transaction taken off Ebay! Somehow I expect this story isn't completely done. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

20 September 2013, 02:46 PM	#2
pandrew6l 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: California Posts: 526	Please more details - From Who ? From Where ? And How ?

20 September 2013, 06:28 PM	#5
Urosfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: NYC Watch: Me now Posts: 19,372	Sorry to hear it

20 September 2013, 07:24 PM	#6
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Details!

20 September 2013, 08:17 PM	#8
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	wait and see , maybe a genuine mistake ,,,, no money /watch then its a different story. ive posted letters and forgotten to put in a cheque and its been a genuine mistake. i guess the reaction of the seller would speak volumes.

20 September 2013, 08:41 PM	#9
luffany "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8	I had a nightmare of a day yesterday. I bought the watch through Paypal from a UK Seller after seeing the watch on EBay I contacted her and she asked to complete the transaction outside EBay but through Paypal and because I wanted this particular watch I agreed. She insisted on getting insurance on the watch which was very expensive at £82 sterling. I paid on the 12 September and waited for her to ship it and send me a track number and so yesterday the package arrived and I was like a kid on Christmas morning opening the box but my heart nearly stopped when I realised the Box was empty. It is a genuine Tudor Box with the instruction book and it also has the Anchor but no watch or papers. I immediately contacted the seller and she acted surprised but thinking back now she was very calm about it and promised me a refund but I got straight onto Paypal and they froze her account. The rest of my day was spent taking making statements to Police and speaking to Paypal. But at 5pm yesterday evening I eventually got my account credited by PayPal and they will pursue the seller if she has not got enough funds in her account. Top tip. When accepting an expensive package you should Take photos or better still video the package before you open it so you have proof that it was not you who tampered with it because that's what I done yesterday and it helped me get my refund faster. The watch was a Tudor Hydronaut 89190 with Black Face. I paid £1165 for it. The sellers first name is Franca. I am not prepared to say any more about the seller at moment. PS I am now on the look out to buy a Tudor 89190 if anyone is selling :-) :-) Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

20 September 2013, 11:36 PM	#10
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	Top tip. Tell us their ebay account please?

20 September 2013, 11:59 PM	#11
mfnj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NJ, USA Posts: 630	This is terrible. But maybe it is me, but something seems off. In reading enough posts from people that were scammed there is never a reluctance to provide details. If not initially, then in a followup post or posts. If I had spent the day making statements to the police you could be damn sure I would have provided the seller's details. If a refund comes you could always retract. So, once again, please provide details!

21 September 2013, 12:04 AM	#12
samsmart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: sam Location: Dallas, TX Watch: Me Tint Posts: 3,777	Wow Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk 2

23 September 2013, 05:31 AM	#14
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	I'm surprised they didn't freeze your eBay account for purchasing outside of eBay to save on the fees. Never do this.

23 September 2013, 06:44 AM	#15
luffany "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 8	I have learned a lot of lessons from trying to make this purchase happen. I will never know where the watch ended up or if it was ever in the box in the first place. I have received a full refund from Paypal and I am still looking out for a Tudor 89190. Buyer beware Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 2

23 September 2013, 07:14 AM	#17
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	wonder if it was ever in the box ,,,,

23 September 2013, 08:20 AM	#18
Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	I've had buyers ask to purchase items from me outside of eBay and I'll never do it, even if it saves some fees. So many slimmy people out there. Glad you got the refund, lesson learned for sure.

27 September 2013, 07:49 AM	#20
scottb2 Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 651	huh this makes no sense - why would paypal care......

27 September 2013, 07:54 AM	#21
Presa canary "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Justin Location: Pa Watch: Explorer ii Posts: 3,152	Ya... I'm pretty sure it's a "gift" when buying outside of eBay to avoid fees,paypal doesn't do a thing. Something seems off here

27 September 2013, 08:33 AM	#22
Lgear080 Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: NYC Posts: 3,506	^ what? Wrong. Post eBay username or ban the guy.

27 September 2013, 08:43 AM	#23
Presa canary "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Justin Location: Pa Watch: Explorer ii Posts: 3,152	Wrong what?^

27 September 2013, 10:49 AM	#25
Presa canary "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Justin Location: Pa Watch: Explorer ii Posts: 3,152	But if you do choose to send it as a gift to avoid fees, paypal can't do anything... at least I thought.

27 September 2013, 10:51 AM	#26
Presa canary "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Justin Location: Pa Watch: Explorer ii Posts: 3,152	But reading again, that's obviously not what happened cause he got his money back.

27 September 2013, 11:10 AM	#27
mrbill2mrbill2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Mr. Bill Location: South Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 6,148	This whole thing smells fishy to me! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of the Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons - ID # 13

27 September 2013, 09:29 PM	#30
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	My spider senses are tingling on this one. A new member, won't supply full info about a supposed scammer, 3 posts sofar in this thread he started, and 2 of them looking for someone to sell him a watch....... __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

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