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BUZITO1974 · 5 February 2018, 08:04 PM

Hi guys,

Im thinking of buying Rolex to invest some money for short/ mid rage term (1-5 years)... later would like to sell them...

Which one do you suggest (please dont tell me Daytona Ceramic due to aviability)...

Thanks

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crazymcmichael · 5 February 2018, 08:12 PM

Non.. I think the only investment you can see a Rolex is as a maintainer. But not to win a lot of money on it on such a short time. Maybe you can be Lucky, but most likely is you get ur money just back......
I see it as a maintainer. But if i would not loved watches, i would keep it on the bank.

The Libertine · 5 February 2018, 08:12 PM

None. There are better ways to invest money.

MonBK · 5 February 2018, 08:17 PM

A Rolex is not an investment.

Buy what you like.

MonBK · 5 February 2018, 08:19 PM

I see you "invested" in multiply threads with the same question!

tyler1980 · 5 February 2018, 08:34 PM

none. Even a daytona would make less return over a 5 year time frame than the same amount of money in an index fund. Retaining value and investment are not the same thing. Rolex's hold value pretty well but that doesnt make them an investment.

Can rolex be a cash equivalent to money that would otherwise be in a savings account making virtually no interest? possibly. However the opportunity cost of using money on watches as an investment instead of a proper investment is a losing proposition.

lmmrf · 5 February 2018, 08:54 PM

I think 4- and 5-digit steel professional models might continue to appreciate in the next 5 years. But it’s not how I’d invest my money.

VicLeChic · 5 February 2018, 09:26 PM

just to give you an idea, some valuations for unworn and fully stickered preowned watches compared to MSRP at launch, approximately (in Europe, fluctuates a bit depending on the country):

Daytona 116500LN: up 42% in 23 months (21.9% annualized)
Sea-Dweller 126600 : up 13% in 9 months (17.3% annualized).
GMT II 116710BLNR : up 7% in 23 months (3.7% annualized)
Sub 116610LV: up 22.4% in 93 months (2.84% annualized)

tyler1980 · 5 February 2018, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VicLeChic

just to give you an idea, some valuations for unworn and fully stickered preowned watches compared to MSRP at launch, approximately (in Europe, fluctuates a bit depending on the country):

Daytona 116500LN: up 42% in 23 months (21.9% annualized)
Sea-Dweller 126600 : up 13% in 9 months (17.3% annualized).
GMT II 116710BLNR : up 7% in 23 months (3.7% annualized)
Sub 116610LV: up 22.4% in 93 months (2.84% annualized)

ladies and gents, place your bets!

that makes a lot of assumptions though. First being that those are dealer asking prices and a private individual selling to a dealer will get less. Secondly if OP sells them himself he will have to sell at quite a bit less than an established dealer's prices since the potential buyer is taking more risk buying from an unknown person. Otherwise they will chose the known dealer if the price is comparable. Also a RRP price increase in many cases is needed to maintain potential returns.

BUZITO1974 · 5 February 2018, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VicLeChic

just to give you an idea, some valuations for unworn and fully stickered preowned watches compared to MSRP at launch, approximately (in Europe, fluctuates a bit depending on the country):

Daytona 116500LN: up 42% in 23 months (21.9% annualized)
Sea-Dweller 126600 : up 13% in 9 months (17.3% annualized).
GMT II 116710BLNR : up 7% in 23 months (3.7% annualized)
Sub 116610LV: up 22.4% in 93 months (2.84% annualized)

Thanks

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BUZITO1974 · 5 February 2018, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

that makes a lot of assumptions though. First being that those are dealer asking prices and a private individual selling to a dealer will get less. Secondly if OP sells them himself he will have to sell at quite a bit less than an established dealer's prices since the potential buyer is taking more risk buying from an unknown person. Otherwise they will chose the known dealer if the price is comparable. Also a RRP price increase in many cases is needed to maintain potential returns.

Right, thanks

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beshannon · 5 February 2018, 10:07 PM

Perhaps you should try looking at other suitable investments with the same fervor that you continue to ask this question.

Watches are not an investment, buy what you want to own and wear.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=584537

nick c · 5 February 2018, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

A Rolex is not an investment.

Buy what you like.

This^^

Naples09 · 5 February 2018, 10:31 PM

Bitcoin?

HK Islandboy · 5 February 2018, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beshannon

Perhaps you should try looking at other suitable investments with the same fervor that you continue to ask this question.

Watches are not an investment, buy what you want to own and wear.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=584537

Well put.

Raypep · 5 February 2018, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

A Rolex is not an investment.

Buy what you like.

I do like to think that buying a watch over a new car is a better 'investment' in terms of resale value in the future.

tyler1980 · 5 February 2018, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raypep

I do like to think that buying a watch over a new car is a better 'investment' in terms of resale value in the future.

its a better value retainer for sure. Its always the explanation i give too when talking to people who don't "get" spending that kind of money on watches. Its a smarter purchase than a new car. Still not an investment as there is no expectation for return, just a smaller loss.

Bigblu10 · 6 February 2018, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

its a better value retainer for sure. Its always the explanation i give too when talking to people who don't "get" spending that kind of money on watches. Its a smarter purchase than a new car. Still not an investment as there is no expectation for return, just a smaller loss.

X2. A luxury watch is not a logical investment. You really should rethink this idea. Otherwise you may be really disappointed!

jfmiii · 6 February 2018, 12:53 AM

no offense to the OP but it is threads like this one (and they are becoming more and more numerous) that makes me think we are in a bubble.

beshannon · 6 February 2018, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

no offense to the OP but it is threads like this one (and they are becoming more and more numerous) that makes me think we are in a bubble.

Yes as well as those who try to perpetuate the myth that high end luxury jewelry is an "investment".

vladamir15 · 6 February 2018, 01:02 AM

Not an investment. Buy it if you want and can get one

Ripcode · 6 February 2018, 01:04 AM

While I hope my Rolex appreciates, I didn't buy it for that reason.

tyler1980 · 6 February 2018, 01:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beshannon

Yes as well as those who try to perpetuate the myth that high end luxury jewelry is an "investment".

if it was an investment then why does Rolex sell watches? They should just keep them all and unload them in 10 years at auction.

Reminds me of those vacation home seminars where they sell you the investment potential of buying a house in some resort town and then renting your property when you are not using it. I would ask, why are you selling it then? Just rent it yourself if its guaranteed money.

Casey VP-26 · 6 February 2018, 01:06 AM

I believe a Rolex can be enjoyment and investment. Mine have been, Good Luck.

DocHorton · 6 February 2018, 01:14 AM

Everything I buy I consider an investment.

For a Rolex I'd get a Kermit, 5 digit Daytona or a DBlue.

watchwatcher · 6 February 2018, 01:18 AM

Here's how to make one million dollars with watch collecting...listen up.

Step 1. Start with two million dollars.

GB-man · 6 February 2018, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfmiii

no offense to the OP but it is threads like this one (and they are becoming more and more numerous) that makes me think we are in a bubble.

Yes indeed. When a habit of buying luxury jewelry goes from costing thousands per year to making thousands there is something wrong.

tyler1980 · 6 February 2018, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHorton

Everything I buy I consider an investment.

For a Rolex I'd get a Kermit, 5 digit Daytona or a DBlue.

but you own a Breitling? Sorry, i had to

adawil2002 · 6 February 2018, 01:21 AM

Invest in things people always need. Not watches.

DocHorton · 6 February 2018, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

but you own a Breitling? Sorry, i had to

Lol. I need to update that, I sold all of them....and most of them at a profit.

Buy right and you don't have to worry about losing money.

I consider everything I spend money on to give me a certain return...whether it's guns, watches, cars, stocks, businesses, real estate, gold, etc. For some of them they will not return a financial profit, but if the enjoyment they provide outweighs the monetary loss then I consider it a good "investment".

5 February 2018, 08:04 PM	#1
BUZITO1974 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Lleida Watch: Omega speedmaster Posts: 84	Which Rolex to invest? Hi guys, Im thinking of buying Rolex to invest some money for short/ mid rage term (1-5 years)... later would like to sell them... Which one do you suggest (please dont tell me Daytona Ceramic due to aviability)... Thanks Enviado desde mi iPhone utilizando Tapatalk

5 February 2018, 10:07 PM	#12
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	Perhaps you should try looking at other suitable investments with the same fervor that you continue to ask this question. Watches are not an investment, buy what you want to own and wear. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=584537 __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

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5 February 2018, 08:12 PM	#2
crazymcmichael "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Here Watch: Sub 114060, 216570 Posts: 2,157	Non.. I think the only investment you can see a Rolex is as a maintainer. But not to win a lot of money on it on such a short time. Maybe you can be Lucky, but most likely is you get ur money just back...... I see it as a maintainer. But if i would not loved watches, i would keep it on the bank.

5 February 2018, 08:12 PM	#3
The Libertine Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: BOS Watch: 16710;14060;214270 Posts: 6,375	None. There are better ways to invest money.

5 February 2018, 08:17 PM	#4
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	A Rolex is not an investment. Buy what you like.

5 February 2018, 08:19 PM	#5
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	I see you "invested" in multiply threads with the same question!

5 February 2018, 08:34 PM	#6
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	none. Even a daytona would make less return over a 5 year time frame than the same amount of money in an index fund. Retaining value and investment are not the same thing. Rolex's hold value pretty well but that doesnt make them an investment. Can rolex be a cash equivalent to money that would otherwise be in a savings account making virtually no interest? possibly. However the opportunity cost of using money on watches as an investment instead of a proper investment is a losing proposition.

5 February 2018, 08:54 PM	#7
lmmrf "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 69	I think 4- and 5-digit steel professional models might continue to appreciate in the next 5 years. But it’s not how I’d invest my money.

5 February 2018, 09:26 PM	#8
VicLeChic Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: Victor Location: Spain Watch: YM 116622 - SD43 Posts: 2,598	just to give you an idea, some valuations for unworn and fully stickered preowned watches compared to MSRP at launch, approximately (in Europe, fluctuates a bit depending on the country): Daytona 116500LN: up 42% in 23 months (21.9% annualized) Sea-Dweller 126600 : up 13% in 9 months (17.3% annualized). GMT II 116710BLNR : up 7% in 23 months (3.7% annualized) Sub 116610LV: up 22.4% in 93 months (2.84% annualized)

5 February 2018, 10:31 PM	#14
Naples09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Jim Location: Naples, FL Posts: 1,795	Bitcoin?

6 February 2018, 12:53 AM	#19
jfmiii "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: 16750/16800/126710 Posts: 1,426	no offense to the OP but it is threads like this one (and they are becoming more and more numerous) that makes me think we are in a bubble.

6 February 2018, 01:04 AM	#22
Ripcode "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Real Name: Michael Location: Michigan Watch: 16610 Posts: 319	While I hope my Rolex appreciates, I didn't buy it for that reason.

6 February 2018, 01:06 AM	#24
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,716	I believe a Rolex can be enjoyment and investment. Mine have been, Good Luck.

6 February 2018, 01:14 AM	#25
DocHorton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: God Bless Texas Watch: Smurf, DD40, SkyD. Posts: 1,515	Everything I buy I consider an investment. For a Rolex I'd get a Kermit, 5 digit Daytona or a DBlue.

6 February 2018, 01:18 AM	#26
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 34,996	Here's how to make one million dollars with watch collecting...listen up. Step 1. Start with two million dollars.

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