jeff hess and everybody, comments please

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by jeff hess

I guess these non original case backs are pretty cool. Really jazzes a watch up. But really from a purists view they turn the watch into a frankenwatch. And in a way it makes the watch look like a cheap knockoff.

i have to dissagree with you on this one
i want to see in the back of my watch because to me it looks cool and beautiful
i know people will say that the sub movement is boring and nothing to look at but so is a car engine to me and people dress them
as long as i am not selling it with it on or selling it with it on and the original one i personally dont see a problem

i do welcome other peoples comments on this though and how they feel

Originally Posted by jeff hess

And again, I would bet that Rolex would not work on the watch that had one and would void the warranty.

i personally would not take it to rolex once i had it fitted
but like i have said that is one of reasons stopping me anyhow along with the fact that i dare not take the back off anyway

Originally Posted by jeff hess

As to Tudor California dials...would it be acceptable to buy one and put it on yur personal watch and keep the original?
Jeff

of course it would be in my opinion
its only when someone tries to make something into something else and not telling the buyers that is whats happened, you must agree its tricky enough buying second hand or vintage watches without someone hiding behind phrases that all the pro's know but the average punter like me doesn't?
this is not a dig at anyone in general but im sure people have seen the tricky ads that dont quite tell the whole truth?


when i asked the question regarding the 'california' dials i was actually asking is a 'california' dial acceptable on a tudor if it says only tudor but was done last week? or if it was done in the early 80s and says rolex as well as tudor?
or is any refinished dial not acceptable?

views please anyone

[onkyo]

To all who don't know who Jeff Hess is....

He is the author of 'Rolex Wristwatches: An Unauthorized History' (I have it and recommend it to others, though a newer version is in the makes as far as I understand)

and has contributed to the 'Watchout Section' here on TRF.

[FOUNTAIN RACING]

Shaggy-Agree on every point.

What we do with our watches is our business...as long as we don't misrepresent in the selling process.

To Jeff Hess- I for one have been to your website, and would not have a problem purchasing ANYTHING from you....you appear to be a stand up guy, who would address any problems ASAP.

I don't agree with some of the bad press you get here.

[TempoKing]

Originally Posted by FOUNTAIN RACING

Shaggy-Agree on every point.

What we do with our watches is our business...as long as we don't misrepresent in the selling process.

I agree 100%

[ECOMANX]

My 2 pence worth...

I have no problem with others preferring clear backs, just as long as the prospective purchaser is not misled in any way.

[shaggy]

i am also wanting to get peoples views on california dials as well

[Art 1]

Don't know what your getting at but I have had dinner with Jeff a few times and been to some functions that he was at and he seems like a nice guy to me and quite gererous.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by shaggy

i am also wanting to get peoples views on california dials as well

I fail to see what you're trying to get at here.

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by FOUNTAIN RACING

Shaggy-Agree on every point.

What we do with our watches is our business...as long as we don't misrepresent in the selling process.

To Jeff Hess- I for one have been to your website, and would not have a problem purchasing ANYTHING from you....you appear to be a stand up guy, who would address any problems ASAP.

I don't agree with some of the bad press you get here.

Excellent!

[TheVTCGuy]

I agree, it is YOUR Watch, do with it as you please. If that means using a velcro band, with clear back and "unique" dial, then have at it my friend! I personally don't agree with "Frankening up" a fine timepiece like a Rolex, and probably will never do anything like that to mine, (although I am VERY tempted with that clear back idea ) but I respect that it's your property and your choice, "personalize" it as you please and enjoy!

[FOUNTAIN RACING]

Originally Posted by mailman

I fail to see what you're trying to get at here.

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Excellent!

Is that attached image meant for me?

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by Art 1

Don't know what your getting at but I have had dinner with Jeff a few times and been to some functions that he was at and he seems like a nice guy to me and quite gererous.

Originally Posted by mailman

I fail to see what you're trying to get at here.

right
for gods sake
i will say it again!!!

IM NOT HAVING A GO AT ANYBODY!

im interested in peoples views regarding what has been discussed

as for the 'california' dial
i was going to buy a tudor with a refinished dial (california style) and was informed that it was classed as a fake dial
then stumbled across a discusion where someone said if it was done 25 yrs or so ago then how was that not part of the watch's journey
on looking for a tudor i have come across a few 'california' dial tudors
some were californiaised years ago(or looked to be) with rolex and tudor on the dial and 1 was a 'new' refinished 'california' dial
with only tudor written on it

so i am asking for what the people in the know think is right & wrong with the dials and what is acceptable and what is not

ok i must admit i didnt do a good job of asking it in the first instance

[mailman]

This belongs in the Buyers/Seller's "Who's Who" section.

Just remember everyone that Jeff is a member here and has had zero issues with regards to anything at all on TRF

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by mailman

This belongs in the Buyers/Seller's "Who's Who" section.

Just remember everyone that Jeff is a member here and has had zero issues with regards to anything at all on TRF

sorry but i dont see why this has been moved to this section
why are people jumping up to defend someone who has not been accused of anything by me. i just get the feeling i have inadvertantly upset someone i shouldnt have?
this is a follow on to this thread
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=64582

why are you thinking that im having a go at Jeff Hess?
he was the one i was conversing with in the watch out part of the forum and didnt want to clog another posters thread up
all im asking for is opinions or is that not what this forum is for?

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by mailman

This belongs in the Buyers/Seller's "Who's Who" section.

Just remember everyone that Jeff is a member here and has had zero issues with regards to anything at all on TRF

I don't think anybody was trying to knock Jeff Hess, simply trying to get opinions on the quoted discussion.

I think this should be in the Rolex discussion forum.... not Who's Who.... but then again I am not a mod.



edit: shaggy, we just said the same thing.....

[mailman]

Originally Posted by shaggy

sorry but i dont see why this has been moved to this section
why are people jumping up to defend someone who has not been accused of anything by me. i just get the feeling i have inadvertantly upset someone i shouldnt have?
this is a follow on to this thread
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=64582

why are you thinking that im having a go at Jeff Hess?
he was the one i was conversing with in the watch out part of the forum and didnt want to clog another posters thread up
all im asking for is opinions or is that not what this forum is for?

It was moved here because the title states that you're inquiring about someone.
People were defending him before you made your intentions clear. At first it seemed like you had a beef with him.

You did clarify in your previous post that you weren't having a go with someone, so that's that.

Now if you're looking for opinions on an individual or subject, I suggest that you make your intentions more clear in your titles and threads next time

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by onkyo

I don't think anybody was trying to knock Jeff Hess, simply trying to get opinions on the quoted discussion.

I think this should be in the Rolex discussion forum.... not Who's Who.... but then again I am not a mod.



edit: shaggy, we just said the same thing.....

apart from you put it better than i
im confused
and to be honest a little peeved that people here believe im having a go at someone just because i want his (and everyone elses) opinion

i just dont understand it to be honest



edited to say
i typed the above while mailman was typing his response

It was moved here because the title states that you're inquiring about someone.

i dont agree
i was inviting jeff hess and everyone
but
your the boss
so i will abide by your ruling



Now if you're looking for opinions on an individual or subject, I suggest that you make your intentions more clear in your titles and threads next time
i thought i had especially when i said
"when i asked the question regarding the 'california' dials i was actually asking is a 'california' dial acceptable on a tudor if it says only tudor but was done last week? or if it was done in the early 80s and says rolex as well as tudor?
or is any refinished dial not acceptable?

views please anyone"
"i am also wanting to get peoples views on california dials as well"

again
im not having a go at anyone

[mailman]

Originally Posted by shaggy

and to be honest a little peeved that people here believe im having a go at someone just because i want his (and everyone elses) opinion

It was due to the way you stated things, that's why people were thinking posting what they were. You have cleared it up now so no one should think otherwise

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by mailman

It was moved here because the title states that you're inquiring about someone.
People were defending him before you made your intentions clear. At first it seemed like you had a beef with him.

You did clarify in your previous post that you weren't having a go with someone, so that's that.

Now if you're looking for opinions on an individual or subject, I suggest that you make your intentions more clear in your titles and threads next time

Mailman,

We are all friends here at TRF.

Shaggy,

If you are interested in comments maybe start the thread with a different title and keep any names out of it. It seems you have to tread lightly here.

[FOUNTAIN RACING]

I like Jeff Hess, period, end of story.

Jeff, please PM me, I want to ask you a question about a watch.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by shaggy

apart from you put it better than i
im confused
and to be honest a little peeved that people here believe im having a go at someone just because i want his (and everyone elses) opinion

i just dont understand it to be honest



edited to say
i typed the above while mailman was typing his response

It was moved here because the title states that you're inquiring about someone.

i dont agree
i was inviting jeff hess and everyone
but
your the boss
so i will abide by your ruling



Now if you're looking for opinions on an individual or subject, I suggest that you make your intentions more clear in your titles and threads next time
i thought i had especially when i said
"when i asked the question regarding the 'california' dials i was actually asking is a 'california' dial acceptable on a tudor if it says only tudor but was done last week? or if it was done in the early 80s and says rolex as well as tudor?
or is any refinished dial not acceptable?

views please anyone"
"i am also wanting to get peoples views on california dials as well"

again
im not having a go at anyone

Again...you don't have to say you're not having a go at someone...again. You already cleared that up

You said earlier...im interested in peoples views regarding what has been discussed

And now you state this...

i dont agree
i was inviting jeff hess and everyone


That's the same thing, isn't it?

The title states that you're looking for opinions on something and someone. That's why it was moved and that's why people defended Jeff.

[mailman]

Originally Posted by onkyo

Mailman,

We are all friends here at TRF.

Shaggy,

If you are interested in comments maybe start the thread with a different title and keep any names out of it. It seems you have to tread lightly here.

#1)

#2) No need to tread lightly here, just make your intentions clear, that's all

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by mailman

Again...you don't have to say you're not having a go at someone...again. You already cleared that up

You said earlier...im interested in peoples views regarding what has been discussed

And now you state this...

i dont agree
i was inviting jeff hess and everyone


That's the same thing, isn't it? :

erm yes mate it is whats your point?
the reason jeff's name was mentioned is because jeff and i had already had a couple of conversations on the subjects and i didnt want to clog up someone elses thread . . . . . thats it no other motive in using his name!

Originally Posted by mailman

The title states that you're looking for opinions on something and someone.

where have i asked for opinions on jeff hess?
please point out where i have done that
the term jeff hess & everyone means = i wanted jeff to come onto this new thread and carry on what we were discusing in watch out and everyone means i wanted everyones views
thats it

[charliec]

This is getting tedious. Actually I digress, it was always tedious IMO.

[Andad]

Hi Shaggy,

IMO, I put a clear caseback on my 3186 Pepsi only so that I could look at the movement if I want to. This was done from new and the original new caseback is in the box with the paperwork and tags etc. If I need to send it to Rolex or if I ever intend to sell it then the original back can be put back on or supplied with the watch. I also bought a clear caseback for my 'M' SS Daytona but haven't put it on yet - I might I might not. I consider these issues to be my decision but I don't see how it compromises the watches in any way. If anyone were ever to notice me wearing the Pepsi they would not even see the clear caseback unless I took it off.

Regarding your Cali dial issue. IMO any dial that is non Rolex or has a non Rolex refinish, is not original to the watch or represents a non standard dial (ie. has both Tudor and Rolex on the dial as non-original) is a different matter and each watch must be evaluated on its own merit.

Example - I have an old gold Tudor - circa 1948. Did this come from the factory with Tudor - Rolex on the dial? - was this added incorrectly when the dial was refinished? - if so does this affect the resale value? My wife likes wearing it and I will never sell it.

Some might say ' Nice Tudor'.

Some might say 'Get that Frankenwatch OFF the Forum'

What is important to one person is not important to another.

[Lol-x]

Eddie, I like the look of that Rolex or is it Tudor or is it Rolex/Tudor or is it Tudor/Rolex.

I don't really mind, I just like the look of the watch.

[shaggy]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Hi Shaggy,

IMO, I put a clear caseback on my 3186 Pepsi only so that I could look at the movement if I want to. This was done from new and the original new caseback is in the box with the paperwork and tags etc. If I need to send it to Rolex or if I ever intend to sell it then the original back can be put back on or supplied with the watch. I also bought a clear caseback for my 'M' SS Daytona but haven't put it on yet - I might I might not. I consider these issues to be my decision but I don't see how it compromises the watches in any way. If anyone were ever to notice me wearing the Pepsi they would not even see the clear caseback unless I took it off.

Regarding your Cali dial issue. IMO any dial that is non Rolex or has a non Rolex refinish, is not original to the watch or represents a non standard dial (ie. has both Tudor and Rolex on the dial as non-original) is a different matter and each watch must be evaluated on its own merit.

Example - I have an old gold Tudor - circa 1948. Did this come from the factory with Tudor - Rolex on the dial? - was this added incorrectly when the dial was refinished? - if so does this affect the resale value? My wife likes wearing it and I will never sell it.

Some might say ' Nice Tudor'.

Some might say 'Get that Frankenwatch OFF the Forum'

What is important to one person is not important to another.

that is a nice watch
do you have any information about the dial at all?
also i wonder if this is acceptable to a tudor collector or would a collector wish to put it back to original? or is that even possible?
also what would a dealer call this when selling seeing that it is or looks like a vintage dial?
does the fact its old make it more acceptable?