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RouletteDate · 12 February 2019, 09:42 AM

Im looking to potentially buy a 1680 that has potentially been re-lumed.

How does a re-lume affect the value of the watch?

Comex5514_ · 12 February 2019, 09:59 AM

A lot, however how much it depends on the watch. On the other hand I have seen auction houses that sold clearly re-lumed dials for premium prices, so there are buyers for them

RouletteDate · 12 February 2019, 10:07 AM

Here is a pic

cajuntiger · 12 February 2019, 12:36 PM

relume will always lower the value.

why has it "potentially" been relume. It either is or it isn't, and if the seller isn't telling you then you dont want to buy from that seller.

RouletteDate · 12 February 2019, 01:26 PM

The seller is saying it has most likely been re-lumed. "Potentially" comes in because the RF seem to have more knowledge than most.

Tom1675 · 13 February 2019, 03:22 AM

Post pics pls. A relume is better than washed/no-lume and if the dealer is pricing the piece as if it were a relume and you cant tell the difference...

GLADIATOR · 13 February 2019, 04:01 AM

Agree relumed, or replaced hands.
But dial looks newer lume than hands
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tekno · 15 February 2019, 02:59 AM

Insert is later than watch, you need better pictures to be able to determine how to proceed. If someone says it’s “probably been relumed” probably means it has, and I am not sure if I would want to deal with someone that can’t just be straight.

If you had macro pics of the plots you could get a much better answer here, no one can tell anything from that shot. I took macro pics of one of my watches that had light tritium markers and you can clearly see its tritium.

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1675-David · 15 February 2019, 04:09 AM

that dial is "probably" relumed... and reprinted and looks like an asian reinterpretation of a classic red sub dial..

walk away.

Tools · 15 February 2019, 04:18 AM

Doesn't look relumed, it looks like the original paint is flaking off the white plots.

If it is an authentic red dial, perhaps the plots could be professionally re-lumed. A re-lumed Red still has value, they don't make them any more.

1675-David · 15 February 2019, 04:25 AM

I turned the image clockwise 90° to help those of us with stiff necks to get a better look-

GLADIATOR · 15 February 2019, 04:28 AM

Still believe relumed.
Hands surely do not match, and they look correct patina aeging
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1675-David · 15 February 2019, 05:03 AM

relume or not is not the major issue with this dial...

waspy1 · 15 February 2019, 05:44 AM

The dial’s not correct.

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lpestre · 15 February 2019, 06:26 AM

The dial try to be some sort of mark V but is not correct. I'm no expert, but for me this is a viet reprinted dial...

Tools · 15 February 2019, 07:04 AM

The watch appears to be put-together from a box of parts to me.

RouletteDate · 15 February 2019, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1675-David

that dial is "probably" relumed... and reprinted and looks like an asian reinterpretation of a classic red sub dial..

walk away.

Aside from the markers, the red sub is what has really stood out to me. I can't find anything that matches the red sub on this dial. Everything else seems to be. bold red

Passed on it anyway. not interested in anything that is a re-lume, not to mention everything else.

The price seemed to represent the condition, he was asking $15k, thoughts on price?

saskmh · 16 February 2019, 02:58 AM

I'm more concerned about the hands....the Y in the hour hand looks too fat to me ....

I'm going to agree with Tools. Looks like it may have been put together.

RouletteDate · 16 February 2019, 10:27 AM

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...820225967.html

looks like it has shown up on CL

mbc · 16 February 2019, 02:15 PM

Dial definitely wrong, look at where SUBMARINER ends vs. depth line or where the ‘=‘ is, etc.

Back to the topic, I recently opted to relume a MK IV dial that had been poorly relumed (plots only) before I bought it. Very happy with my decision because the state it was in would have driven me nuts (shouldn’t have bought it in the first place but that’s a different story). See pics before and after.

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JD305 · 19 May 2019, 01:15 AM

there are some lume guys here in the USA that work with tritium on these dials ....

then for a vintage dial like a 1680 or 1675 that is missing some lume on some or all plots

the safe bet is to >NOT< have the dial tritium relumed? ... how about if new lume is applied to partially fallen lume? ... or is the process to removed all the old lume and relume the entire dial?

GLADIATOR · 19 May 2019, 01:20 AM

Agree

77T · 19 May 2019, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JD305

there are some lume guys here in the USA that work with tritium on these dials ....

then for a vintage dial like a 1680 or 1675 that is missing some lume on some or all plots

the safe bet is to >NOT< have the dial tritium relumed? ... how about if new lume is applied to partially fallen lume? ... or is the process to removed all the old lume and relume the entire dial?

Unless you’re willing to have the entire dial redone if the partial relume fails, then don’t fiddle with a partial job. They almost never match perfectly.

There have been some scary good redials done and shown recently. Scary as in undetectable from a true originally perfect dial.

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JD305 · 19 May 2019, 03:01 AM

I assume Redial as in just the lume plots? the puffy lume? Any refinish dial I have seen the date window is a huge tell.

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1665fan · 19 May 2019, 03:12 AM

Pos....seller trying to deceive and cheat

AndreaC · 20 May 2019, 12:57 AM

don’t buy it.. try to find an original dial..not relumed.
There are too much relumed dials on the market sold as never relumed..be careful.

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12 February 2019, 09:42 AM	#1
RouletteDate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: cal Posts: 49	Re - Lume And Affected Value Im looking to potentially buy a 1680 that has potentially been re-lumed. How does a re-lume affect the value of the watch?

12 February 2019, 12:36 PM	#4
cajuntiger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Who Dat Location: USA Watch: 5512 Posts: 1,149	relume will always lower the value. why has it "potentially" been relume. It either is or it isn't, and if the seller isn't telling you then you dont want to buy from that seller. __________________ @heuerautavia

13 February 2019, 04:01 AM	#7
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Agree relumed, or replaced hands. But dial looks newer lume than hands a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

15 February 2019, 04:18 AM	#10
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,496	Doesn't look relumed, it looks like the original paint is flaking off the white plots. If it is an authentic red dial, perhaps the plots could be professionally re-lumed. A re-lumed Red still has value, they don't make them any more. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

15 February 2019, 04:28 AM	#12
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Still believe relumed. Hands surely do not match, and they look correct patina aeging A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

12 February 2019, 09:59 AM	#2
Comex5514_ Banned Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: UK Watch: Military Posts: 333	A lot, however how much it depends on the watch. On the other hand I have seen auction houses that sold clearly re-lumed dials for premium prices, so there are buyers for them

12 February 2019, 01:26 PM	#5
RouletteDate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: cal Posts: 49	The seller is saying it has most likely been re-lumed. "Potentially" comes in because the RF seem to have more knowledge than most.

13 February 2019, 03:22 AM	#6
Tom1675 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Tom Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,186	Post pics pls. A relume is better than washed/no-lume and if the dealer is pricing the piece as if it were a relume and you cant tell the difference...

15 February 2019, 02:59 AM	#8
tekno 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Texas Watch: Tudor Snowflake Posts: 1,097	Insert is later than watch, you need better pictures to be able to determine how to proceed. If someone says it’s “probably been relumed” probably means it has, and I am not sure if I would want to deal with someone that can’t just be straight. If you had macro pics of the plots you could get a much better answer here, no one can tell anything from that shot. I took macro pics of one of my watches that had light tritium markers and you can clearly see its tritium. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

15 February 2019, 04:09 AM	#9
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	that dial is "probably" relumed... and reprinted and looks like an asian reinterpretation of a classic red sub dial.. walk away.

15 February 2019, 04:25 AM	#11
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	I turned the image clockwise 90° to help those of us with stiff necks to get a better look-

15 February 2019, 05:03 AM	#13
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,060	relume or not is not the major issue with this dial...

15 February 2019, 05:44 AM	#14
waspy1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jeff Location: Home! Posts: 1,259	The dial’s not correct. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 February 2019, 06:26 AM	#15
lpestre 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Montreal/Paris Posts: 1,275	The dial try to be some sort of mark V but is not correct. I'm no expert, but for me this is a viet reprinted dial...

15 February 2019, 07:04 AM	#16
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,496	The watch appears to be put-together from a box of parts to me. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

16 February 2019, 02:58 AM	#18
saskmh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,027	I'm more concerned about the hands....the Y in the hour hand looks too fat to me .... I'm going to agree with Tools. Looks like it may have been put together. __________________ RCN (Canadian) Tudor Milsub database co-manager

16 February 2019, 10:27 AM	#19
RouletteDate "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: cal Posts: 49	https://losangeles.craigslist.org/la...820225967.html looks like it has shown up on CL

16 February 2019, 02:15 PM	#20
mbc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: NY Posts: 620	Dial definitely wrong, look at where SUBMARINER ends vs. depth line or where the ‘=‘ is, etc. Back to the topic, I recently opted to relume a MK IV dial that had been poorly relumed (plots only) before I bought it. Very happy with my decision because the state it was in would have driven me nuts (shouldn’t have bought it in the first place but that’s a different story). See pics before and after. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 May 2019, 01:15 AM	#21
JD305 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Miami Watch: Long E 1675 Posts: 181	there are some lume guys here in the USA that work with tritium on these dials .... then for a vintage dial like a 1680 or 1675 that is missing some lume on some or all plots the safe bet is to >NOT< have the dial tritium relumed? ... how about if new lume is applied to partially fallen lume? ... or is the process to removed all the old lume and relume the entire dial?

19 May 2019, 01:20 AM	#22
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Agree __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

19 May 2019, 03:01 AM	#24
JD305 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Miami Watch: Long E 1675 Posts: 181	I assume Redial as in just the lume plots? the puffy lume? Any refinish dial I have seen the date window is a huge tell. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

19 May 2019, 03:12 AM	#25
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,660	Pos....seller trying to deceive and cheat

20 May 2019, 12:57 AM	#26
AndreaC "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: France Posts: 45	don’t buy it.. try to find an original dial..not relumed. There are too much relumed dials on the market sold as never relumed..be careful. Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk

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