5712 Power Reserve Issue

[Erson]

My 5712 power reserve hand points are on the third red dot when the watch is not running.

Anybody get similar issue?

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Erson

My 5712 power reserve hand points are on the third red dot when the watch is not running.

Anybody get similar issue?

it s fine worry

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Passionata

it s fine worry

u mean its normal?

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Erson

u mean its normal?

perfectly

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Passionata

perfectly

Tq, ive seen other nautilus PR Hands are way too up



Why different standards?

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Erson

Tq, ive seen other nautilus PR Hands are way too up



Why different standards?

manufactured by hand if you want perfection you need to buy a seiko 5 :-)

but seriously , the PR you see depends how the hands were put on the shaft since it was done manually a little play acceptable , no worry .enjoy your watch

[Custom02]

I've got exactly the same watch and have exactly the same issue (I’ve posted about it before), mine in fact sometimes stops as early as ‘’12’’. The closest thing I got to a satisfactory explanation is that if the reserve is low then it’s especially prone to stop at the date or moon change which requires a bit more power. I still think it’s a pretty poor effort from PP though. A power reserve indicator is already a bit pointless on an automatic watch (where it’s essentially at full the entire time) but it becomes totally useless if it doesn’t even work properly.

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Custom02

I've got exactly the same watch and have exactly the same issue (I’ve posted about it before), mine in fact sometimes stops as early as ‘’12’’. The closest thing I got to a satisfactory explanation is that if the reserve is low then it’s especially prone to stop at the date or moon change which requires a bit more power. I still think it’s a pretty poor effort from PP though. A power reserve indicator is already a bit pointless on an automatic watch (where it’s essentially at full the entire time) but it becomes totally useless if it doesn’t even work properly.

Stop at 12??

Come on, how many people are experiencing this. Some said they are perfect.

[watchmaker]

It's completely normal.

Patek claim the power reserve of the 240 PS IRM C LU is 38-48 hours. The variation is caused (in part) by what time the watch begins it's power reserve run. It will stop sooner if it is low in power in the last few hours before midnight as it no longer has enough power to 'push past' the date change.

[Custom02]

Seriously sometimes at 12 it stops. I bought it new 5/6 months ago. My plan is to wait until the 23rd month of warranty and bring it in then.

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Seriously sometimes at 12 it stops. I bought it new 5/6 months ago. My plan is to wait until the 23rd month of warranty and bring it in then.

Perfect idea since u will get a full service FOC then ,Did the same with mine due to deviation in accuracy

[Custom02]

Out of interest Passionata- when you did that did your warranty get refreshed/reloaded in anyway. I assume it must have as if they'd messed something up during the repairs and the original warranty then lapsed they must be liable to have to fix that. If you see what I mean?

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Out of interest Passionata- when you did that did your warranty get refreshed/reloaded in anyway. I assume it must have as if they'd messed something up during the repairs and the original warranty then lapsed they must be liable to have to fix that. If you see what I mean?

Tbh IDK but i m sure they d repair it FOC if i d returned within a certain period of time ,but patek is not an evil rather a friendly nice company they fix what should be corrected.

[Erson]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

It's completely normal.

Patek claim the power reserve of the 240 PS IRM C LU is 38-48 hours. The variation is caused (in part) by what time the watch begins it's power reserve run. It will stop sooner if it is low in power in the last few hours before midnight as it no longer has enough power to 'push past' the date change.

okay where does patek claim 38-48 hours?

[qrc36]

Originally Posted by Erson

okay where does patek claim 38-48 hours?

https://www.patek.com/en/collection/...us/5712-1A-001

Scroll down to bottom half of the page, right next to the photo with the movement where it says "240 PS IRM C LU SELF-WINDING"

You will see it say:
Power reserve: Min. 38 hours - max. 48 hours.

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Seriously sometimes at 12 it stops. I bought it new 5/6 months ago. My plan is to wait until the 23rd month of warranty and bring it in then.

in my opinion if stop at 12 there must be something wrong. but bring to patek takes u to wait 4-6 months.

[Erson]

Originally Posted by qrc36

https://www.patek.com/en/collection/...us/5712-1A-001

Scroll down to bottom half of the page, right next to the photo with the movement where it says "240 PS IRM C LU SELF-WINDING"

You will see it say:
Power reserve: Min. 38 hours - max. 48 hours.

thank you.

for patek, its strange minimum 38-48 is 10 hours different. very big tolerance. I think patek should upgrade the movement.

[Josh1000]

^^ they did and it dropped to 35-45 hours

[watchmaker]

A long power reserve on an automatic watch is not an ‘upgrade’ in everyone’s opinion. What is important is stability throughout the power reserve, however long it is.

[Custom02]

Funnily enough, I checked the watch last night and the power reserve had in this instance run all the way to absolute zero. However from what has been said above, it seems that if the reserve really can be as little as 35-38 and that still counts as being within PP’s own tolerance………what’s the point of having a display that indicates 48+ hours if it simply can’t be relied upon to be even vaguely accurate and could the watch could stop at any point once in the red?

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Funnily enough, I checked the watch last night and the power reserve had in this instance run all the way to absolute zero. However from what has been said above, it seems that if the reserve really can be as little as 35-38 and that still counts as being within PP’s own tolerance………what’s the point of having a display that indicates 48+ hours if it simply can’t be relied upon to be even vaguely accurate and could the watch could stop at any point once in the red?

do you have the photo? what do you mean to absolute zero? the PR hands above the 4 red dots?

[Erson]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Funnily enough, I checked the watch last night and the power reserve had in this instance run all the way to absolute zero. However from what has been said above, it seems that if the reserve really can be as little as 35-38 and that still counts as being within PP’s own tolerance………what’s the point of having a display that indicates 48+ hours if it simply can’t be relied upon to be even vaguely accurate and could the watch could stop at any point once in the red?

indeed. PP are lookin for perfection. Thats why people spend 70,000 rather than 4,000 omega

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT9rvtlk_yc

[Ichiran]

My 5712 sometimes drop to 3rd dot, sometimes 2nd dot and sometimes 1st dot. My Patek agent said this is normal and I'm cool with it. I love my Patek agent really.

[watchmaker]

Perfection doesn’t exist at any price.

And Patek cannot undo the laws of physics. If the mainspring is on it’s last breath, it won’t push through the date change, so will stop ‘early’.

[Erson]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Perfection doesn’t exist at any price.

And Patek cannot undo the laws of physics. If the mainspring is on it’s last breath, it won’t push through the date change, so will stop ‘early’.

okay now i do a full wind at 6PM, lets see the power reserve

[Custom02]

Originally Posted by Erson

do you have the photo? what do you mean to absolute zero? the PR hands above the 4 red dots?

BY ''absolute zero'' I meant the highest/last red dot.
On another note, you can imagine how foolish you would feel if you were a PP salesperson trying to explain this to a new buyer with no knowledge.
''This is a 5712, very hard to get but we've got one available today''

''oh cool, so that's the second hand and that's the date hand what does the third one show''

''that's the power reserve indicator, at the moment it's on on 48''

''so if i take it off, leave it and come back in 40 hours I won't need to wind it and can just put it straight on''

''errrr kind of, although it says 48 that can sometimes mean 38 and it'll stop whilst it still looks like it should still be running- sounds a bit random but some of our customers just LOVE the unpredictability''

''oh I see, isn't Swiss watch making supposed to be about accuracy and reliability?''

''i'm afraid the shops closing in 2 minutes i'm going to have to ask you to leave''

''but the sign on the door says open 10am-6pm and it's only 3pm!!''

''sorry, those hours aren't fixed, despite what the sign says''

''bit like the power reserve then!!''

[watchmaker]

There’s a lot of misunderstanding going on in this thread.

The red dots indicate the mainspring is no longer sufficiently wound, and should be wound. That’s why they are red dots and not a zero mark (remember red almost universally signifies stop/bad/warning/danger). It can stop on the first dot or the last. The variation is down to if the watch is approaching the date change.

As an aside, the way to get a watch with a power reserve indication to stop exactly on a zero mark is to have a Maltese cross stop mechanism on the mainspring barrel. This generally makes the watch thick...think Lange Zeitwerk thick.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by watchmaker

There’s a lot of misunderstanding going on in this thread.

The red dots indicate the mainspring is no longer sufficiently wound, and should be wound. That’s why they are red dots and not a zero mark (remember red almost universally signifies stop/bad/warning/danger). It can stop on the first dot or the last. The variation is down to if the watch is approaching the date change.

+1

[Erson]

Here are the experiment.

Yesterday, I found my watch died at the third red dot again. total power reserve is 44 Hours.

Then I shake 1x (one single shake only), put it back, it start to run again until 46 Hours, and died between the second and third red dot.

I shake it one more time, run again, and died at second red dot. with total 47.5 hours.

it seems, the hand are impossible to go to the first red dot.

[Ichiran]

Nice experiment.