Breitling superocean Heritage chronograph 44mm

[DJ2020]

Today I asked my AD if they were getting one of the new superocean heritage chronograph 44mm. There only 200 made and only selected dealers will receive them. Only 1 allowed to the dealer and there not allowed to display the watch. Only to sell to buyers believed not to be a flipper or gray market buyer. I.E. well established customer. He says yes.... do you want it? And got it out of the vault and handed it to me. 18k rose gold, B01 movement. Pretty nice I think. Thought I would share a picture.

[JSolution]

nice addition i love it

[GST15]

Beautiful watch. For me personally, when I get to 44mm and add the pushers, it starts to look big on my 7" wrist.

Congratulations. Great addition

[1William]

Congratulations.

[DJ2020]

I posted the pictures for a view of the watch, unfortunately I was not the lucky owner of this piece. I had to pass on the $9250 no discount offered price tag. I have my eye on something else, more within my budget at this time.

[nwalker001]

Did you buy the watch?

Not sure how I feel about Breitling instructing their authorized dealers to practice Rolex like tactics (keeping the watch in the safe, hidden from display). Even, at a limited run of 200, I'd be surprised if these will ever sell over MSRP.

[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

I posted the pictures for a view of the watch, unfortunately I was not the lucky owner of this piece. I had to pass on the $9250 no discount offered price tag. I have my eye on something else, more within my budget at this time.

I prefer the standard version with the typical Breitling discount.

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I prefer the standard version with the typical Breitling discount.

Yes, me too. The Chronograph was 1 of 200. Special addition. It's rare for Breitling to ask a AD to use discretion in selling a item. But as it was explained to me, they do not want this particular item to turn up on a gray market. Being there's only one allocated to certain dealers, I'm sure tracking the guilty AD down will not be hard to do. And with the new digital card, even easier.

[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Yes, me too. The Chronograph was 1 of 200. Special addition. It's rare for Breitling to ask a AD to use discretion in selling a item. But as it was explained to me, they do not want this particular item to turn up on a gray market. Being there's only one allocated to certain dealers, I'm sure tracking the guilty AD down will not be hard to do. And with the new digital card, even easier.

I don’t know if I believe a word of that. Breitling sells the watch to the AD and they’re done with it. I’m fairly certain these will be sold with a discount from several ADs and maybe even some to flippers. Let’s use the Navi 806 reissue as an example, I know that those were even being sold at a discount since everyone still has a hard time paying full retail, and the 806 was in more demand than this watch ever will, even though there are far less than of them.

[RW16610]

Congrats, Wayne! It's nice to see your Breitling collection growing.

[56scooter]

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I don’t know if I believe a word of that. Breitling sells the watch to the AD and they’re done with it. I’m fairly certain these will be sold with a discount from several ADs and maybe even some to flippers. Let’s use the Navi 806 reissue as an example, I know that those were even being sold at a discount since everyone still has a hard time paying full retail, and the 806 was in more demand than this watch ever will, even though there are far less than of them.

100% accurate Justin, even with all of the fanfare of the Navi 806 reissue AD's still had them months after the release. The latest re-edition the 765 1953 re-edition can already be had for 25% off. Breitling loves to issue "limited editions" to specific markets. Unfortunately the US does not get the nice ones that Japan does!

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I don’t know if I believe a word of that. Breitling sells the watch to the AD and they’re done with it. I’m fairly certain these will be sold with a discount from several ADs and maybe even some to flippers. Let’s use the Navi 806 reissue as an example, I know that those were even being sold at a discount since everyone still has a hard time paying full retail, and the 806 was in more demand than this watch ever will, even though there are far less than of them.

They produce more than just 200 total of the 806. Sorry you don't believe it. But that's what I was told by a long term friend of whom I trust 100%. My SA at the Rolex AD has said similar statements on occasion. Have you read the law suit posted on the Rolex side? No discount offered on the BB 58 either. Or Rolex, Or Patek. I DO routinely receive large discounts on other models of Tudor, Breitlng and others. BTW, I am NOT one to lie or even exaggerate about anything. So sorry for your unwillingness to accept someone's word. But your opinions have been noted.

[nwalker001]

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I don’t know if I believe a word of that. Breitling sells the watch to the AD and they’re done with it. I’m fairly certain these will be sold with a discount from several ADs and maybe even some to flippers. Let’s use the Navi 806 reissue as an example, I know that those were even being sold at a discount since everyone still has a hard time paying full retail, and the 806 was in more demand than this watch ever will, even though there are far less than of them.

I think Justin might be onto something here. It's hard for me to believe that Breitling instructed their authorized retailers to use these Rolex dealer like tactics. I'd guess that this was a calculated sales pitch to make a "limited edition" that would otherwise struggle to sell seem more special. This type of rhetoric creates urgency and makes a potential customer feel remarkable, like they've been selected for a great opportunity. It seems more probable to me that this approach was cultivated by the individual AD salesperson and not by Breitling SA.

[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by nwalker001

I think Justin might be onto something here. It's hard for me to believe that Breitling instructed their authorized retailers to use these Rolex dealer like tactics. I'd guess that this was a calculated sales pitch to make a "limited edition" that would otherwise struggle to sell seem more special. This type of rhetoric creates urgency and makes a potential customer feel remarkable, like they've been selected for a great opportunity. It seems more probable to me that this approach was cultivated by the individual AD salesperson and not by Breitling SA.

It's all just the hype of this watch as Nick mentioned. I've been following the brand closely for almost 15 years, and with a very few exceptions, there's never a need to pay close to full retail on a watch, and this isn't one of them.

[DJ2020]

I didn't bite on the deal myself, my funds are for a different model. And even though it's in 18k rose gold, it's a bit pricey for what it is in my opinion. It would take a substantial discount for me to be interested. Honestly, I hope brands don't move towards the Rolex tactics, nothing would turn me off faster from buying that brand.

[RW16610]

I'm so glad most of my watches were bought pre-owned. I found a good AD in the US to buy my most recent purchase from, a Planet Ocean Chronograph with the 9900 movement and the blue dial. Had it less than 2 weeks now and couldn't be happier.

I believe what Wayne is saying based on what so many AD's and manufacturers have been doing. Never did I expect a day where getting a Rolex was similar to a flagship Ferrari.

I can see Breitling, or at least the AD's trying to jump on the bandwagon in rare cases to communicate a sense of urgency to make a sale. In those instances I lose interest, to be honest. For me a big part of it is the experience of viewing the watch (multiple times) and knowing it'll be available when I'm ready to buy.

A local AD that also sells Breitling, Omega, and many others did something similar. They tried to push me into the Planet Ocean Chronograph due to an upcoming price increase. It's not so much what they said, but how they said it - seemed desperate for a sale as I'm sure many are these days. They've also got watches for sale not seen in the display case or even on their website.

Anyway, all of that aside - I hope this doesn't become a thing with more brands and dealers. For brands like Breitling they'll just end up sending a percentage of their potential customers elsewhere, and this has been proven to happen.

Wayne, I can't wait to see what your next purchase is! Looking forward to a collection update thread!

[DJ2020]

Rommel, what you said makes perfect sense. I have been to AD's where they pull you to the side and whisper on the " low low" (I have something in the vault you may want to see) as if it's something really special and there doing you a favor by letting you in on this " secret ". Funny thing is, I frequently find myself going straight to the pre-owned section first. Almost always in fact. Then to the Brand cases to have a look see.

I'm at a stage in my collecting that I no longer have the urgent need to buy something at first sight. I know what I want, I may like a lot of things and enjoy looking at them, but there is a narrow Brand and style that I will actually buy anymore. Watch whisper's just don't work on me, well,..... unless a AD has a smoking deal on a Superocean that I don't have yet.

[RW16610]

Haha, I've had that happen at an AD before as well. It was for one of the 007 limited edition pieces a few years back, and it's the same AD that sells Breitling. The sad part is some fall for it. Hey, as long as they're happy and not grossly overpaying who am I to judge? It just really makes me miss the days when you could go into most AD's, view a piece, or have it ordered for you at a discount or for MSRP.

For me most of the watches I seem to like or want are now discontinued anyway, especially my favourite Breitling Chrono SuperOcean. Saving up for the Planet Ocean made me miss out on a very well priced Japan limited edition Chrono SuperOcean on eBay. Who ever picked it up scored, but I did fairly well on mine.

I'm also at a stage where it's very clear any additional pieces in the collection are not urgent, as those boxes have been checked for me for the most part.

The deals on pre-owned Breitling makes it hard to pass them up sometime!

Here's what I currently have (G Shock Riseman and Casio Protrek PRW-2500 not shown):



The journey should be fun in my opinion. I'm so much less likely to visit AD's now to browse, because often times what I want to view is "At another location".

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by RW16610

Haha, I've had that happen at an AD before as well. It was for one of the 007 limited edition pieces a few years back, and it's the same AD that sells Breitling. The sad part is some fall for it. Hey, as long as they're happy and not grossly overpaying who am I to judge? It just really makes me miss the days when you could go into most AD's, view a piece, or have it ordered for you at a discount or for MSRP.

For me most of the watches I seem to like or want are now discontinued anyway, especially my favourite Breitling Chrono SuperOcean. Saving up for the Planet Ocean made me miss out on a very well priced Japan limited edition Chrono SuperOcean on eBay. Who ever picked it up scored, but I did fairly well on mine.

I'm also at a stage where it's very clear any additional pieces in the collection are not urgent, as those boxes have been checked for me for the most part.

The deals on pre-owned Breitling makes it hard to pass them up sometime!

Here's what I currently have (G Shock Riseman and Casio Protrek PRW-2500 not shown):



The journey should be fun in my opinion. I'm so much less likely to visit AD's now to browse, because often times what I want to view is "At another location".

Nice collection. BTW, as you know the Superocean 44 chronograph in black dial form is on my list. I know where 2 are. But can you tell me what are they going for these days? I think he may be asking too much. $4800.

[RW16610]

That SuperOcean Heritage Chronograph 44 is a nice piece. I did a very quick search for some eBay listings of new ones and they seem to be around $4,000.00 USD for a new one. From an AD with the full warranty etc might put it in the $4,800.00 USD range but I would certainly try get one for less.

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by RW16610

That SuperOcean Heritage Chronograph 44 is a nice piece. I did a very quick search for some eBay listings of new ones and they seem to be around $4,000.00 USD for a new one. From an AD with the full warranty etc might put it in the $4,800.00 USD range but I would certainly try get one for less.

The one I'm looking at is not a heritage model. 44mm 500m B13 movement. One with high polished case and band. 2016 - 2019 I think. But has been factory serviced in 2019.

[DJ2020]

Here is a picture of the actual watch. I don't know what it is about this piece, but I want it!

[RW16610]

That's an excellent choice! I think you can find some great deals on the A13341, I've see a couple after just a few. United of searching for around $3,000 USD pre-owned or less. Some were listed for A LOT more, it all depends. A thorough search of Chrono24 should give some further indication to where these sit price wise.

[DJ2020]

Thanks Rommel ,I will certainly check them out.

[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Here is a picture of the actual watch. I don't know what it is about this piece, but I want it!

I'd pass on that and find a good deal on one of these preowned.

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I'd pass on that and find a good deal on one of these preowned.

Oh that's real nice! I have Superocean's in Black, White and Blue dials One of the two on my list for this year is the SO in orange. The other a chrono with locking pushers. Black is my favorite followed by white by a very slim margin.

That's a very classy look BTW. I like it. Awesome watch with a B01.Sweet indeed.

[RW16610]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Thanks Rommel ,I will certainly check them out.

Yeah, I only had a quick look as I was multitasking. Once you spend some time going through all of the listings for that piece on Chrono24, eBay, and maybe another location you can have a very good idea of where they should be priced. Should take less than an hour but I enjoy searching the web for listings and could see myself spending much longer than that, which I do almost daily.

Originally Posted by jnelson3097

I'd pass on that and find a good deal on one of these preowned.

I think this is the best Chronomat 44 offered. A while back I was considering one (the regular version) but the Planet Ocean Chronograph spoke to me more.

The square on the dial didn't bother me but seeing yours certainly highlights how much better it can look without it, at least for the dial colour here.

[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by RW16610

Yeah, I only had a quick look as I was multitasking. Once you spend some time going through all of the listings for that piece on Chrono24, eBay, and maybe another location you can have a very good idea of where they should be priced. Should take less than an hour but I enjoy searching the web for listings and could see myself spending much longer than that, which I do almost daily.




I think this is the best Chronomat 44 offered. A while back I was considering one (the regular version) but the Planet Ocean Chronograph spoke to me more.

The square on the dial didn't bother me but seeing yours certainly highlights how much better it can look without it, at least for the dial colour here.

The Airborne was by far the best looking Chronomat 44 offered, the only other one close to that was the limited edition of 50 that were done for Govberg that were all brushed with a black dial and yellow accents.

The only issue I have with the Airborne, and it's minor, is the white date wheel doesn't really match the color of the dial. It's still a great watch with the classic Chronomat look. I tend to wear it most on the rubber mesh strap but it looks really nice on the OEM brown dakkar leather strap. It hasn't been on the pilot bracelet for a long time, mainly because it's a total pain to get back on.

[RW16610]

I feel your pain there with installing the bracelet. Some are indeed a pain to put back on. I'm not sure what the preferred method is for that watch but would a spring bar pliers help you think?


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[jnelson3097]

Originally Posted by RW16610

I feel your pain there with installing the bracelet. Some are indeed a pain to put back on. I'm not sure what the preferred method is for that watch but would a spring bar pliers help you think?


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The issue with the pilot bracelet is that the bracelet holes are very deep in the link. I’ve got a took similar to that but with how deep the groove is, it doesn’t work. I may need to invest in the Bergeon 7825 tweezers and hope that works. I can live with it on the straps though for now.